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Post by ryan24 on Jul 1, 2017 18:19:05 GMT -5
Definitely not sure where he plays on defense? AA pitching is far superior to A. Could be another Brentz. Be skeptical of whether he makes top 100 prospects. then again glad to say I was wrong.
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Post by soxfan511 on Jul 1, 2017 21:09:23 GMT -5
Chavis has a swing that's made for the green monster in my opinion
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Post by natesp4 on Jul 1, 2017 21:19:03 GMT -5
Think chavis is way overrated. Just like dalbec was this year until now. On both guys because Dave depleted the system so much, we have drank the kool aid too much on a short sample. probably still too high. Based on who we have I think that brannen and scheff are rated too low, but I understand the logic and bow to the experts. In total I like the last 2 drafts. Interested to see how the international signings change things again. My main argument against this is that Dalbec is older than Chavis and put up his ridiculous numbers in Rookie ball. Chavis did it two levels higher in almost double the plate appearances and is off to a nice start in AA. It doesn't mean he's a bonafide stud, but at a certain point 20 home runs is 20 home runs and makes him worthy of that #4 spot as a prospect.
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Post by geostorm on Jul 2, 2017 7:14:20 GMT -5
How exactly is chavis overrated? He's going to make the next top 100 prospects in mlb list, and right now is considered one of the best power hitters in all the minor leagues. He's got plus hit tool potential and has shown plus power already. He's also a very hard worker who will only get better because of his work ethic. Agree with what you are saying, BUT all his great stuff was done at A. If he shows the same stuff at AA in the second half of the season I will gladly rescind all the bad things I have said about him. fwiw, here's a snippet on Chavis, from Keith Law's blog, 6/22 - • Boston Red Sox third-base prospect Michael Chavis (who I ranked No. 14 in their system before the season) played through a hand injury last year that killed his numbers, but he's had a huge breakout year for High-A Salem so far and looks like he'll be able to justify the first-round pick Boston expended on him in 2014. Chavis' swing path hasn't changed much since high school but he is more balanced throughout and is quite a bit stronger, which you can see in his body and also in his bat control through contact. same blog, only other Sox prospect he commented on - • First baseman Josh Ockimey had a great first half in 2016, but he hit the wall around midyear and ended the season with disappointing numbers for a 21-year-old in Low-A in the Red Sox system. He's come out strong so far this year, but I think he might be feasting on off-speed stuff, as he was late on fastballs all game and was lunging at pitches off the plate. He's also a below-average defender at first. Ockimey has a good eye and will draw his walks, but I worry about his ability to make contact at higher levels if he can't show he can turn on velocity.
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Post by ryan24 on Jul 2, 2017 9:49:46 GMT -5
I think the site guys does a great job evaluating the prospects. It is a very hard process. I guess my line in the sand on a prospect is what has he done in AA ball. I liked Devers in April and being rated #1. 3 months later I am convinced that he is a VERY strong candidate to start at 3rd in fenway. if in September chavis is still hitting at a high level and is started to settle into a set defensive position I will gladly see him as the #4 ranked player in the system and maybe a top 100 guy. tough thing though is that Devers plays 3rd and is ahead of him Rating the 2 HS players against people who have been in the system for a while and college players is very hard. I am glad that I am not doing it. Now the next shoe is about to fall. They just signed 3 international players. Where do they fall in the ratings? This is what makes this site fun to read. if you remember last year there was some very heated discussions on both moncada and kopech.
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Post by ryan24 on Jul 2, 2017 11:04:15 GMT -5
I love these type of discussions. Which prospect is better. Why did the sox draft this guy as opposed to some other guy. What does this scout or theo see that someone else does not. Always come back to the story Branch Rickey told about scouting the negro leagues. Seems he sent one of his best people to look at this young outfielder in Alabama. The scout comes back and says I do not think he can hit a curve and they dodgers went and signed someone else who ended up not making the bigs. The guy who supposedly could not hit the curve was some guy you may have heard of named Willie Mays. Maybe Chavis is a top 100 guy and maybe he makes the bigs.
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Post by cardsox on Jul 2, 2017 12:59:02 GMT -5
Seems like I remember reading that the new catcher, Flores, we signed will slot up into the top 5. That is a big statement on his talent.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 3, 2017 7:09:27 GMT -5
For me, #3.
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Post by bnich on Jul 3, 2017 8:04:55 GMT -5
I think Lakins is still ranked too high. Hasn't really wowed or put up great numbers in pro ball to this point. I will getting my first look at him today, maybe he can change my mind. I just don't see him as a top prospect in this system.
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Post by radiohix on Jul 3, 2017 8:19:57 GMT -5
I think Lakins is still ranked too high. Hasn't really wowed or put up great numbers in pro ball to this point. I will getting my first look at him today, maybe he can change my mind. I just don't see him as a top prospect in this system. For me it has to be CJ Chatham, I believe that health is a skill and he's been injured all the time: He went 3 times already to the DL and accumulated a whopping 149 PA in year with the organization and he's already 22 and will be 23 by the year end without any significant playing time beyond short season ball. I just can't see it.
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Post by costpet on Jul 5, 2017 13:52:41 GMT -5
Lin OPS .949. You think it might be time to move him up a little from the 31st spot? What's a guy gotta do?
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 5, 2017 14:24:39 GMT -5
Lin OPS .949. You think it might be time to move him up a little from the 31st spot? What's a guy gotta do? Well, prospect rankings are only updated monthly, although this monthly there will be a July 15th update to include the late draft signees and the J2 signees. So maybe he moves up a bit. Right now, I think everyone here has a more favorable opinion of him, but not sure how much 25 AB's should be moving the needle.
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Post by costpet on Jul 5, 2017 14:41:49 GMT -5
Is it me or does he look a little like the Japanese guy in the movie "Major League"?
It's so much fun when the Sox get on a roll. Giddy is a good word.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 5, 2017 16:03:32 GMT -5
Lin OPS .949. You think it might be time to move him up a little from the 31st spot? What's a guy gotta do? 1) He moved up from 42 to 31 in the July 1 update, which is really more like moving up another 5 more spots due to the debuts ahead of him. That's a pretty huge jump. 2) The fact that he has a .949 OPS in 29 MLB plate appearances doesn't move the needle a bit for me. If he goes 0-for-5 tonight, his line drops from .360/.429/.520 to .300/.364/.433. Certainly respectable, but still a drop of more than 150 points in his OPS. For me, he still profiles as a (useful) utility bench player, and at best maybe starts for a second division team for a couple years. ----- For what it's worth, the July 15 update will most likely only consist of inserting J2 signings and any draftees inked before Friday. We reserve the right to make a few other changes, but we're not going to have wholesale movement.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 5, 2017 16:10:32 GMT -5
Agree that his success should be viewed with caution. That said, it is always exciting to watch farm graduates get some time in the Show and contribute right away. I can't imagine what it must feel like to the guys themselves.
I re-read his profile and it is pretty spot on. If he makes an incredible jump, well, that can happen. If you look at the numbers prior to this year, there wasn't anything earth shattering.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 5, 2017 16:13:25 GMT -5
Lin seems like a future Hall of Famer compared to all the 3B we've used this year.
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Post by Addam603 on Jul 14, 2017 11:29:00 GMT -5
Flores debuts at 7, Thompson at 18, Diaz at 22, Flores at 40, and Aaron Perry at 58.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 14, 2017 12:05:47 GMT -5
Flores debuts at 7, Thompson at 18, Diaz at 22, Flores at 40, and Aaron Perry at 58. Very little other movement, as I'd said ahead of time. We flipped Shawaryn and Anderson, moved Lin and Brentz up, and tweaked the back end with who was getting pushed off (seemed wrong to have Suarez and Esplin fall off just because we were sticking with the old rankings). We also added Duron and Olmos at the back end.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 14, 2017 12:14:13 GMT -5
Lin at 27. I predict of the 26 prospects ahead of him, more than half will never have more WAR in the majors than Lin already has in 15 games.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 14, 2017 12:32:10 GMT -5
Lin at 27. I predict of the 26 prospects ahead of him, more than half will never have more WAR in the majors than Lin already has in 15 games. That's almost certainly true. The problem is predicting which 13. Almost all of the guys ahead of him are ones where their 80th percentile or so is a 20 WAR career. It's hard to picture that from Lin, despite how good he's been. Like, if you were to bet who was going to have a higher career WAR between Lin and Flores, you'd bet Lin because it's already above 0.0. But you absolutely wouldn't trade Flores for Lin.
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Post by Addam603 on Jul 14, 2017 12:42:33 GMT -5
Flores debuts at 7, Thompson at 18, Diaz at 22, Flores at 40, and Aaron Perry at 58. Very little other movement, as I'd said ahead of time. We flipped Shawaryn and Anderson, moved Lin and Brentz up, and tweaked the back end with who was getting pushed off (seemed wrong to have Suarez and Esplin fall off just because we were sticking with the old rankings). We also added Duron and Olmos at the back end. Who was bumped off?
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 14, 2017 12:42:54 GMT -5
Lin at 27. I predict of the 26 prospects ahead of him, more than half will never have more WAR in the majors than Lin already has in 15 games. That's almost certainly true. The problem is predicting which 13. Almost all of the guys ahead of him are ones where their 80th percentile or so is a 20 WAR career. It's hard to picture that from Lin, despite how good he's been. Like, if you were to bet who was going to have a higher career WAR between Lin and Flores, you'd bet Lin because it's already above 0.0. But you absolutely wouldn't trade Flores for Lin. I know that and agree. I'm just trying to go all out for my binky love of Lin.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 14, 2017 13:22:59 GMT -5
Very little other movement, as I'd said ahead of time. We flipped Shawaryn and Anderson, moved Lin and Brentz up, and tweaked the back end with who was getting pushed off (seemed wrong to have Suarez and Esplin fall off just because we were sticking with the old rankings). We also added Duron and Olmos at the back end. Who was bumped off? As far as I know, the mafia has had no involvement with players in the system at this time, even in Pawtucket.
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Post by dd on Jul 14, 2017 13:41:29 GMT -5
The Internationals Have ArrivedDetails
Summary:
Don't remember who mentioned this, but now for the first time we have players in the top 60 who were not born in the 1900's. One was even born in the current century! How old does that make you feel?
- Daniel Flores (10/20/00) is at # 7.
- Jake Thompson, 4th round pick, is at 18.
- Danny Diaz (1/2/01) at 22.
- Linsanity is up from 31 to 27.
- Antoni Flores (10/14/00) at 40.
- Bryce Brentz is # 41, up from 48
- Tyler Esplin and Kevin Suarez both up 3 at 56 & 57.
- 14th draft pick Aaron Perry is 58 and 31st pick Nick Duron is 59.
- Nick Duron, the 31st pick from 2015, is ranked for the first time at # 59.
- Rounding out the top 60 is Edgar Olmos who was last ranked 35th in April.
No longer ranked:
- Nick Longhi (from # 13) who is now with the Reds organization (for international bonus space).
- Kyri Washington (51)
- Austin Rei (52)
- Harrison Cooney (54)
- Williams Jerez (56)
- Yankory Pimentel (57)
- Trevor Kelley (58)
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 14, 2017 14:09:08 GMT -5
Great job SP and Red Sox staffs. 10 new faces including two top 10 and a boatload of high ceiling, low floor lotto tix. That's pretty much WOW territory.
No two people will agree 100% with any list but this is clearly defensible, [haha, Lin excepted].
I'm curious if any J2 has debuted higher at SP than Flores.
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