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Carson Smith/Risk of TJ Surgery
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Post by ibsmith85 on May 24, 2016 9:37:57 GMT -5
Depressing, but we knew there was a fair chance of this happening. I worry about what this means for Tazawa and Koji, who are likely to be overworked as the season goes on. Nothing new there, especially for Taz, but the Smith acquisition was supposed to end it. Taz and Koji are the immediate worry, who DDo gives up in trade to fill the opening is the next worry.
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Post by humanbeingbean on May 24, 2016 9:40:58 GMT -5
Now we just have to make sure our starters average 8 innings and Kimbrel can close as need be.
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Post by jrffam05 on May 24, 2016 9:46:32 GMT -5
I'm moderately optimistic that Hembree, Barnes, Light, and/or Ross can fill the 6th inning hole adequately enough throughout the year, but it is a clear knock on the bullpen depth. We now have to rely on higher usage of Tazawa and Uehara than we would prefer.
Let's just continue to put up 10+ runs on the board, then we don't need to worry about the bullpen.
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Post by Guidas on May 24, 2016 9:48:17 GMT -5
Depressing, but we knew there was a fair chance of this happening. I worry about what this means for Tazawa and Koji, who are likely to be overworked as the season goes on. Nothing new there, especially for Taz, but the Smith acquisition was supposed to end it. Taz and Koji are the immediate worry, who DDo gives up in trade to fill the opening is the next worry. Future super duper #1 ace Henry Owens. If Dombrowski can convince someone Owens can actually be a serviceable #4-5. And if Owens stops hitting the mascot in Pawtucket with every fifth pitch.
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Post by ryantoworkman on May 24, 2016 9:50:31 GMT -5
Everything needing to be stated about this injury has been said, gotta move forward.
While the pen has been very good, I fear fatigue will manifest itself if things remain static. The starters pitching deeper will help, and there is evidence they are rounding into form. If that trend does not continue, they will need another late inning arm. My choice would be Pat Nesheck from the Astros.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 24, 2016 9:51:10 GMT -5
Pat Light hit 101 the other day and recently, he's been throwing strikes. I really don't see the need for a trade at this point.
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Post by ibsmith85 on May 24, 2016 9:54:46 GMT -5
Pat Light hit 101 the other day and recently, he's been throwing strikes. I really don't see the need for a trade at this point. I couldn't agree more, I just hope DDo shares that thought.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on May 24, 2016 9:56:28 GMT -5
Tim Britton @timbritton Red Sox announce Carson Smith will undergo Tommy John surgery. Welp. See you next year, Carson. Teams are generally favoring longer TJ rehabs these days so we might be talking 2018 here.
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Post by taftreign on May 24, 2016 9:59:49 GMT -5
If ERod's knee doesn't allow him to continue throwing long outings I wonder if the team would work him in the pen for awhile until he fully rebuilds the strength he needs to return to the rotation. Although that may be all counter productive to getting him into a starter role again this season.
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Post by nomar on May 24, 2016 10:12:10 GMT -5
Time to start giving Hembree more responsibility
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Post by sibbysisti on May 24, 2016 10:16:17 GMT -5
If ERod's knee doesn't allow him to continue throwing long outings I wonder if the team would work him in the pen for awhile until he fully rebuilds the strength he needs to return to the rotation. Although that may be all counter productive to getting him into a starter role again this season. You don't put a player on a ML roster to do rehab work. That's what we have a minor leagues system for. Not only that, but why would you put a player with a known physical issue into a new role?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 24, 2016 10:44:34 GMT -5
See you next year, Carson. Teams are generally favoring longer TJ rehabs these days so we might be talking 2018 here. He's getting cut today, so that'd be a LONG rehab. I'd bet he's back by say, July 2017 or so. Time to start giving Hembree more responsibility Yeah, ideally, the Sox will give their internal options a month or so to sort out. Hembree, Ross, Barnes, Light, Martin should all get decent looks in that period. I'd also like to see them push Shepherd to Pawtucket now to see if he can put himself on the MLB radar soonish (his worse May stats are basically skewed by one bad outing).
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Post by Canseco on May 24, 2016 10:47:57 GMT -5
Tough news, but let's hope the opportunity is seized by someone like Pat Light or Matt Barnes. I'm more intrigued by the former, to be honest.
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Post by Guidas on May 24, 2016 10:50:51 GMT -5
Tough news, but let's hope the opportunity is seized by someone like Pat Light or Matt Barnes. I'm more intrigued by the former, to be honest. Let's not forget Brandon Workman who should be throwing off a mound soon. I have been wondering if his FB will tick up post TJ 2-4 MPH, which could make him a significant weapon, as well.
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Post by jmei on May 24, 2016 10:57:15 GMT -5
Teams are generally favoring longer TJ rehabs these days so we might be talking 2018 here. He's getting cut today, so that'd be a LONG rehab. I'd bet he's back by say, July 2017 or so. The generally accepted timeline is 12 to 16 months, and 16 months would essentially rule him out until 2018. It's not the likeliest outcome, but it's certainly in play.
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Post by ramireja on May 24, 2016 11:19:22 GMT -5
Tough news, but let's hope the opportunity is seized by someone like Pat Light or Matt Barnes. I'm more intrigued by the former, to be honest. Let's not forget Brandon Workman who should be throwing off a mound soon. I have been wondering if his FB will tick up post TJ 2-4 MPH, which could make him a significant weapon, as well. I actually had forgotten about Workman to a degree. That would be a huge addition if he is back and effective say from August on. I'm not suggesting E-Rod go to the bullpen, but in the off chance that he does return and is healthy, we do run into the 6 starter dilemma. Buch or Kelly to the pen down the stretch?
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Post by James Dunne on May 24, 2016 11:34:43 GMT -5
Workman is 27, has a 79 career ERA+, and his career numbers as a reliever are considerably worse than those as a starter (which are bad too). He's a lottery ticket who won't even have a guaranteed place on the 25-man when he is healthy. There's zero reason to think he's better than Matt Barnes, other than the fact he hasn't been around for 18 months to remind us of it.
He'll always have Game 6 for the 2013 series though.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on May 24, 2016 11:52:57 GMT -5
He's getting cut today, so that'd be a LONG rehab. I'd bet he's back by say, July 2017 or so. The generally accepted timeline is 12 to 16 months, and 16 months would essentially rule him out until 2018. It's not the likeliest outcome, but it's certainly in play. Workman will probably get back on a mound just shy of a year removed from the surgery, so you're probably looking at what, close to 14 months total before he's back in game action? Give the same timeline to Smith and he'll probably be back towards for the last couple months of 2017, which is close enough that if there's a setback in his rehab it could easily kill the 2017 season for him. Probably something like a 75% chance he's back next year but it's not a guarantee.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on May 24, 2016 14:44:31 GMT -5
tough break for Carson, he's gotta be really disappointed. Let's go Matt....stick it to the members around here.
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Post by tjb21 on May 24, 2016 14:52:28 GMT -5
Bummer.
No reason to make a trade at this point, enough spaghetti to throw against the wall.
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Post by sibbysisti on May 24, 2016 15:04:02 GMT -5
I'm not relying on the "M.D." s on this site to calculate Smitty's return date. We know we can't count him in this year and part of next. I'll wait for the real M.D.s to evaluate his health and deem him ready for rehab before speculating on his return.
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Post by Oregon Norm on May 24, 2016 15:05:57 GMT -5
...ideally, the Sox will give their internal options a month or so to sort out. Hembree, Ross, Barnes, Light, Martin should all get decent looks in that period... I'd like to argue that Ross has separated himself from the others in this group. He doesn't need to be part of the sorting process, he needs to see regular use. His velocity has ticked up, he's effective against left and right-handed hitters, his WHIP is at 1.12, and his fielding-independent stats are right in line with the ERA. He's a real asset.
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Post by ericmvan on May 24, 2016 15:14:25 GMT -5
...ideally, the Sox will give their internal options a month or so to sort out. Hembree, Ross, Barnes, Light, Martin should all get decent looks in that period... I'd like to argue that Ross has separated himself from the others in this group. He doesn't need to be part of the sorting process, he needs to see regular use. His velocity has ticked up, he's effective against left and right-handed hitters, his WHIP is at 1.12, and his fielding-independent stats are right in line with the ERA. He's a real asset. This. Add Ross to the remaining big three, that should be enough to handle your high-leverage situations. Then you have two guys in Hembree and Barnes who can go multiple innings in low leverage, and a fine LOOGY in Layne. It's a good pen. I'll also toss out Elias, who just had a possible breakout start and is death on LHB. He's another possible depth option.
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Post by soxfan06 on May 24, 2016 19:05:08 GMT -5
Sucks.
But good to see they got this done now, rather than wait a month or two to see if it heals on his own.
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Post by jmei on May 24, 2016 19:27:59 GMT -5
Eh, it may be that they've already unnecessarily waited a month or two. Maybe his coming back from the DL was what tore his UCL, but maybe it was just as torn when he first went on the DL in Spring Training and they hoped he could pitch through it.
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