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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 31, 2016 15:50:40 GMT -5
In Shaw's profile it says he's solid average at 1B and below average at 3B. Has Shaw's D at 3B improved? Or is this a case of Shaw's below average D is still an improvement over Sandoval?
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Post by mgoetze on Mar 31, 2016 15:52:41 GMT -5
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Mar 31, 2016 15:53:19 GMT -5
I applaud this move. I'm glad Shaw will get his shot at 3b. It now gives the Sox 2 legitimate LH power threats. I figure if Sandoval played this year he probably would have hit about a dozen homers. I expect Shaw's average to slide a bit, but I think he'll draw some walks, and he has the capability of hitting 25 homers in a year, I think. I definitely think he fits the lineup better than Sandoval does and I would think his defense would be better than Sandoval's as well. Based on the last couple of months last year, he deserves this opportunity. Hope he can run with it. Hot half-season at 25 aside, Travis Shaw hasn't really given us a reason to call him a "left handed power threat" yet. Now, if he can field the position at 3B, the expectations for his bat change considerably. But I'll eat my hat if Shaw slugs .480 again. Am I being pre-mature here? Yeah, but it was hard to ignore that he hit 13 homers in two months while Sandoval hit 10 all year. I was extrapolating his 13 homers out a bit. Of course, it doesn't mean that he WILL hit 25 homers, but I think he has a shot at it, more than Pablo would. I know Shaw's track record in the minors wasn't stellar, but I'm hopeful he was a late bloomer and can be productive anyways. I see his BA dropping to about .240 - .250 or so, but I think he'll take a respectable amount of walks and if given 500 ABs might hit 20 homers or even more, but I'd be surprised, too if he slugged .480. I think .425 is a better possibility. I like the possible upside of Shaw more than the ability to bounceback from Sandoval, although at this point I think Pablo's offense would be more likely to bounce back than his defense would. I think by late 2017 Moncada might wind up making all of this a moot point anyways as he could wind up at 3b or warm it up on his way to the outfield as Devers follows him up thru the system.
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Post by sarasoxer on Mar 31, 2016 16:10:52 GMT -5
I think Pablo will have his job back by May 1st to be honest. Not that I want him to, I'm just not sold on Shaw. It seems our revolving door has simply moved one position to the left Well, let's hope not. The jury is out on Shaw so I don't think that we will indiscriminately trade Panda. Best case scenario is if Shaw does reasonably well AND Panda shows he has something left beyond slow pitch softball....Maybe get him a FitBit.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Mar 31, 2016 17:45:02 GMT -5
I generally feel bad for Pablo with this move. I give him credit for taking it like a professional. The best outcome for me is that Travis does well and Pablo finds his mojo...you can never have enough good players.
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Post by cologneredsox on Mar 31, 2016 18:51:55 GMT -5
We're now one step closer to achieving the All-Travis corner infield. That makes me think we should trade for Devon Travis, too...
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Post by soxfan06 on Mar 31, 2016 19:14:09 GMT -5
Yeah, who cares whether Travis Shaw can actually play 3rd base or hit major league pitching. We're not trying to win baseball games, we're just trying to send a message! Oh you know what I mean. Shaw didn't win the competition, Pablo lost it. Haven't watch much Red Sox baseball huh? Travis Shaw has absolutely won the spot. He won the spot a while ago. The only question was whether or not Farrell would give it to him or if he was going to give it to the contract. I'm glad Dombrowski stepped in and gave the bench Pablo order. Because Travis Shaw won the competition.
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Post by mattpicard on Mar 31, 2016 19:24:29 GMT -5
In Shaw's profile it says he's solid average at 1B and below average at 3B. Has Shaw's D at 3B improved? Or is this a case of Shaw's below average D is still an improvement over Sandoval? I can't speak on the scouting report, but I look at Shaw as a serviceable third baseman who's probably unlikely to be any better than average. By DRS/UZR terms, I'm expecting -5 to 0'ish, where as Pablo could very well be -20 status these days. Shaw's arm is extremely reliable (he loves throwing) and he seems to have solid hands. The only concern is his range/mobility, and yet it's substantially superior to Sandoval's at the moment.
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Post by fan72 on Mar 31, 2016 19:50:42 GMT -5
If he makes the plays he should, that would be an upgrade. I hope the bat is for real.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Mar 31, 2016 20:01:25 GMT -5
Oh you know what I mean. Shaw didn't win the competition, Pablo lost it. Haven't watch much Red Sox baseball huh? Travis Shaw has absolutely won the spot. He won the spot a while ago. The only question was whether or not Farrell would give it to him or if he was going to give it to the contract. I'm glad Dombrowski stepped in and gave the bench Pablo order. Because Travis Shaw won the competition. Thats not entirely fair. I personally went to a few Spring Training games and one of the big takeaways I had was Sandoval's D was awful, even worse than last year.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 1, 2016 7:14:32 GMT -5
Just finding out and I'm glad to see the Sox unafraid to pull the trigger. Hopefully they made the right decision. On a different note, after spending the entire day getting my new generator repaired, I returned home and had actual electricity an hour later. www.philstar.com/nation/2016/03/22/1565294/genset-supply-power-samal-islandSome sabermetrics notes, it takes about 2 1/2 liters of diesel fuel to watch an entire baseball game. Breaking it down, that's around 3 cents an out. Adjust your formulas accordingly.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Apr 3, 2016 9:06:44 GMT -5
RHB Chris Dominguez waiting in the wings. Along with the group of RHBs who can field 3B.
EDIT: Everyone has a dream. Everyone has a fan club.
interesting to note that Sox face no Lefty starters in first 2 weeks of season.
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Post by Coreno on Apr 3, 2016 10:55:32 GMT -5
Dominguez was awful this spring. about as bad as Brentz.
Re: LHPs... this means we will definitely see Young out there against some RHP unfortunately. No way they let him sit for 2 weeks without a start, nor should they.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Apr 3, 2016 18:49:18 GMT -5
perhaps vs. some lefties, it will be HOLT at 3B and Young or Castillo in LF. HOLT is an slight upgrade on defense at 3B over Shaw?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 3, 2016 19:09:55 GMT -5
perhaps vs. some lefties, it will be HOLT at 3B and Young or Castillo in LF. HOLT is an slight upgrade on defense at 3B over Shaw?1 Now if the 8 games Shaw played at 3B last year reflect his true ability he is a lot better defensive 3B. Shaw had 1 defensive run saved in 8 games, Holt had -4 in 24 games started. 3B is Holt's worst defensive position based on defensive runs saved.
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Post by ericmvan on Apr 3, 2016 23:29:42 GMT -5
perhaps vs. some lefties, it will be HOLT at 3B and Young or Castillo in LF. HOLT is an slight upgrade on defense at 3B over Shaw?1 Now if the 8 games Shaw played at 3B last year reflect his true ability he is a lot better defensive 3B. Shaw had 1 defensive run saved in 8 games, Holt had -4 in 24 games started. 3B is Holt's worst defensive position based on defensive runs saved. Including regression to the mean for uneven opportunities, Holt has been about -21 runs per 150 games there, in 706 innings. Given that he's been average in 637 innings at 2B, and that utility infielders usually play them both equally as well, that's at least a little bit odd. My guess is that he's something like -10 there, which probably makes him our third-best option at 3B. Sandoval should certainly get all the PT there that Shaw doesn't.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 3, 2016 23:41:19 GMT -5
Now if the 8 games Shaw played at 3B last year reflect his true ability he is a lot better defensive 3B. Shaw had 1 defensive run saved in 8 games, Holt had -4 in 24 games started. 3B is Holt's worst defensive position based on defensive runs saved. Including regression to the mean for uneven opportunities, Holt has been about -21 runs per 150 games there, in 706 innings. Given that he's been average in 637 innings at 2B, and that utility infielders usually play them both equally as well, that's at least a little bit odd. My guess is that he's something like -10 there, which probably makes him our third-best option at 3B. Sandoval should certainly get all the PT there that Shaw doesn't. Is it Holts arm strength that makes his 3B D so much worse than his 2B D?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 4, 2016 0:27:05 GMT -5
Including regression to the mean for uneven opportunities, Holt has been about -21 runs per 150 games there, in 706 innings. Given that he's been average in 637 innings at 2B, and that utility infielders usually play them both equally as well, that's at least a little bit odd. My guess is that he's something like -10 there, which probably makes him our third-best option at 3B. Sandoval should certainly get all the PT there that Shaw doesn't. Is it Holts arm strength that makes his 3B D so much worse than his 2B D? That and wingspan.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Apr 4, 2016 9:23:42 GMT -5
Holt's footwork around the bag is marginal at best. Slides into third meant he needed to move into position quickly to prepare for the tag. That appeared to be difficult for him. He even swipped his own leg at one point, as he put it between he and the runner instead of pivoting so that he was astride the bag. That was one of the issues I saw.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Apr 4, 2016 15:08:21 GMT -5
Getting paid his full salary to sit on the bench isn't too bad of a gig. Somewhere Bob Montgomery is nodding in agreement.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Apr 4, 2016 15:12:15 GMT -5
This basically illustrates that there is nothing he could have said that would please everyone. "I have hired a nutritionist and a personal trainer, both of whom will live and travel with me to monitor my progress 24/7."
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 4, 2016 15:34:36 GMT -5
As someone whose last name is also Shaw, this makes me very very happy. If my man Keith Couch makes it into the bullpen at some point as well, then to me the year is already a huge success.
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Post by hank on Apr 6, 2016 13:08:31 GMT -5
I think this move is permanent. I really don't think Pablo gets it. His agent isn't doing him any favors either by comparing him to a Ferrari. More like a cement mixer.
What he should be doing instead of talking up his client is convincing him to disconnect the feed bag. He's not going to play and nobody is going to trade for a guy that can't see his sneakers to tie them. Hopefully the Red Sox are being candid with him but it seems unlikely after hearing John Henry tell the whopper about him having 17% body fat. The message should be : "Drop 50 pounds and we'll find a taker for you at the All Star break".
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Post by danr on Apr 6, 2016 14:15:45 GMT -5
Last year I was one of the strongest supporters of Pablo on the board. But when I saw that photo of him this spring, I gave up. His physical condition is not defensible. Shaw earned the chance and I sure hope he succeeds.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 17, 2016 6:37:35 GMT -5
Now, for a guy who was moved to first base for awhile, Shaw’s athleticism has surprised the coaches and the front office. “I know I am very impressive with his defense,” says Dave Dombrowski. “Travis gets rid of the ball very quickly,” says Brian Butterfield, “and he does so with arm strength and exceptional accuracy. He impressed all of us when he came up last year, but he’s better than we imagined. And his throwing is special.”
www.gammonsdaily.com/peter-gammons-troy-tulowitzki-travis-shaw-and-attention-to-the-defensive-side/
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