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nomar
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Post by nomar on Apr 27, 2016 11:35:24 GMT -5
I live in CT and the temperature difference between here and Maine is pretty noticeable this time of year. That being said, Portland is an awesome place for minor league ball.
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Post by caseytins on Apr 27, 2016 11:57:17 GMT -5
The mountaineous parts of central Mexico are like that as well. It's easy to figure out. Get near the equator at about 7,000' (if you can find it) and on the lee side of the mountains. Now get comfortable! Perfectly said! I lived in Flagstaff, AZ for a couple of years. It is exactly 7,000 base elevation. Could have been slightly closer to the equator, but man it was always sunny. Also, just a 30 minute drive to Sedona and the desert.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Apr 27, 2016 12:46:11 GMT -5
Knowing there is no perfect weather scenarios, I'm still glad the Sox have their High A & AA teams in the Carolina & Eastern leagues, instead of the Florida State League (constant rainouts/humidity) & Southern League (weather/heat).
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Post by geostorm on Apr 27, 2016 15:18:35 GMT -5
Nobody is worthy of promotion after 10 games or so, unless they have the track record from previous years and were conservatively placed. Also, players have stated goals heading into the year and meeting those goals is typically the main reason for a promotion. Those goals aren't often stats, I'll bet. Unfortunately this thread gives an opportunity for people to mention all these guys that started off well this year and they should be in line for a promotion. Before the thread veered slightly off-topic, to climate impact, I had noted from that Roanoke article, which, while posted, didn't cut/paste the Q&A closest to this thread, nor was it commented on...for those that hadn't read the article, fwiw - "RT: Is there one thing more than any other that tells you a guy is ready to move up? DD: “No, I can’t really say there’s one thing. But I think probably when you can see that a player is just better than the league — and usually, that’ll be a statistical analysis — but then you also have to be prepared on the individual’s makeup, because if you send him to the next level and you’re going to challenge them, which is really going to be the case in most instances, how do they handle the failure at that point? "It’s kind of a combination of how well they’re performing and how they are going to do at the next step in battling through that. A lot of that’s just where they are as far as youthfulness, mental makeup. Those are the type of things that you really have to keep a pulse of when you make those decisions.” "
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Post by iakovos11 on Apr 27, 2016 18:40:11 GMT -5
First, it may be different with DD.
Second, I probably worded things wrong. It's never been about good stats - in the sense that many of us think about it. Each player has certain goals that are laid at the beginning of each year (and I presume each time they move up a level). Achieving those goals, or advancing with respect those goals is what gets the promotion. There my be some other factors in terms of timing as well.
Third, Statistical analysis, isn't necessarily stats. Maybe in a more advanced or sabermetric way. But they're not counting RBI's or avg. for a promotion.
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Post by geostorm on Apr 27, 2016 19:49:17 GMT -5
First, it may be different with DD. Second, I probably worded things wrong. It's never been about good stats - in the sense that many of us think about it. Each player has certain goals that are laid at the beginning of each year (and I presume each time they move up a level). Achieving those goals, or advancing with respect those goals is what gets the promotion. There my be some other factors in terms of timing as well. Third, Statistical analysis, isn't necessarily stats. Maybe in a more advanced or sabermetric way. But they're not counting RBI's or avg. for a promotion. Sorry - Didn't mean that as a critique...(why that entire narrative, instead just "statistical", was highlighted). I thought, given the thread topic, here we had quotes on the topic, direct from DD. It's not ground breaking that he references that consideration of promotion factors in a combination of the player's skills/approach "being better than the league", in whatever way the Sox assess that, statistically, and the Sox assessment of the player's make-up/ability to handle that next challenge... ...and thought his stated philosophy may have provided insight into one of your comments, and why that possibility may be part of the developmental path for certain players - "...unless they have the track record from previous years and were conservatively placed." - that it may be a factor other than a "previous years track record", as the reason behind delaying a promotion.
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Post by iakovos11 on Apr 27, 2016 19:59:15 GMT -5
No worries. I thought I should clarify, anyway.
Certainly some good quotes from DD about promotions.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 27, 2016 20:03:05 GMT -5
I think both Moncada and Benintendi were conservatively placed at Salem this year and it was probably mainly about keeping them out of the frigid cold than anything else.
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Post by sibbysisti on Apr 27, 2016 21:50:22 GMT -5
I think both Moncada and Benintendi were conservatively placed at Salem this year and it was probably mainly about keeping them out of the frigid cold than anything else. So, if they start next year in AA will they not be subjected to the frigid cold? Benintendi seems like the one to get promoted first. This is just a guess. Who would be moved up from Greenville to fill Benny's slot? Right now, Joseph Monge looks like the best candidate. Alex B. is getting off to a slow start, so maybe Monge, though still only 20, has moved away in the Drive outfield.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 27, 2016 22:05:01 GMT -5
I think both Moncada and Benintendi were conservatively placed at Salem this year and it was probably mainly about keeping them out of the frigid cold than anything else. So, if they start next year in AA will they not be subjected to the frigid cold? Benintendi seems like the one to get promoted first. This is just a guess. Who would be moved up from Greenville to fill Benny's slot? Right now, Joseph Monge looks like the best candidate. Alex B. is getting off to a slow start, so maybe Monge, though still only 20, has moved away in the Drive outfield. Tough question unless they send someone from Portland down to Salem. Monge has been losing ABs recently to Metheny. Basabe has picked up his offensive game. He now sports a .755 OPS but, he's young, no rush. Washington is doing great but he's a left fielder. Maybe a good time to delay by using an org guy.
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Post by GyIantosca on Apr 28, 2016 6:32:14 GMT -5
I have a question, the way Baseball America comes out with the handbook for all the teams to spend time on the top 31 prospects. I was wondering if it's possible to do this for the entire sox prospects list . Like once a year. I know it def a lot of work but was this ever talked about? I I love the site and I love the scouting and I always crave more , I understand spending more time the higher ranked the prospects and so forth. But I always wonder like the international prospects like who is this one. What can he do. The Sox have a ton of prospects . Pretty soon we are getting more. Just wondering. I appreciate everything that is done here and I spend most of my time on here. I feel spoiled because I wish the other teams like the Bruins had something like this. It's a lot of fun to me.
I don't want a book by the way the work, the work on the site is excellent also. Basically just expand to all of them.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Apr 28, 2016 7:11:55 GMT -5
So, if they start next year in AA will they not be subjected to the frigid cold? Benintendi seems like the one to get promoted first. This is just a guess. Who would be moved up from Greenville to fill Benny's slot? Right now, Joseph Monge looks like the best candidate. Alex B. is getting off to a slow start, so maybe Monge, though still only 20, has moved away in the Drive outfield. Tough question unless they send someone from Portland down to Salem. Monge has been losing ABs recently to Metheny. Basabe has picked up his offensive game. He now sports a .755 OPS but, he's young, no rush. Washington is doing great but he's a left fielder. Maybe a good time to delay by using an org guy. For me, because of Kyri Washington's age, I'd promote him. He is showing some real potential with the bat. Like to see what he would do.
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Post by sibbysisti on Apr 28, 2016 7:28:33 GMT -5
Tough question unless they send someone from Portland down to Salem. Monge has been losing ABs recently to Metheny. Basabe has picked up his offensive game. He now sports a .755 OPS but, he's young, no rush. Washington is doing great but he's a left fielder. Maybe a good time to delay by using an org guy. For me, because of Kyri Washington's age, I'd promote him. He is showing some real potential with the bat. Like to see what he would do.[/quote He's got power, no doubt. It's his K rate that concerns me.
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Post by nomar on Apr 28, 2016 7:39:21 GMT -5
Tough question unless they send someone from Portland down to Salem. Monge has been losing ABs recently to Metheny. Basabe has picked up his offensive game. He now sports a .755 OPS but, he's young, no rush. Washington is doing great but he's a left fielder. Maybe a good time to delay by using an org guy. For me, because of Kyri Washington's age, I'd promote him. He is showing some real potential with the bat. Like to see what he would do. I somewhat agree but he's got to improve e his approach or he'll get chewed up, maybe even in Salem.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 28, 2016 7:47:16 GMT -5
For me, because of Kyri Washington's age, I'd promote him. He is showing some real potential with the bat. Like to see what he would do. I somewhat agree but he's got to improve e his approach or he'll get chewed up, maybe even in Salem. He's coming out of a small college East Uneverheardofit U. He's seeing pitchers like he's never seen before and his K rate at 28.7% isn't good but isn't outrageous at this point in the season. (LOL, Kemp 46%) Yeah he needs work in pitch recognition but his .348 Iso leads the system by a wide margin. On the other hand, promoting him doesn't give Salem a center fielder to replace Benintendi.
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Post by okin15 on Apr 28, 2016 8:17:33 GMT -5
I think both Moncada and Benintendi were conservatively placed at Salem this year and it was probably mainly about keeping them out of the frigid cold than anything else. So, if they start next year in AA will they not be subjected to the frigid cold? Benintendi seems like the one to get promoted first. This is just a guess. Who would be moved up from Greenville to fill Benny's slot? Right now, Joseph Monge looks like the best candidate. Alex B. is getting off to a slow start, so maybe Monge, though still only 20, has moved away in the Drive outfield. I agree with JimEd here. Portland got a good deal of snow on Tuesday, and it's one thing when you're really ready for that level, but if you're young and adjusting, AND the cold, it's a lot to handle, and you don't want these guys to be terrified of coming to Boston in a year or two. I mean, look at the ridiculous outfits that Xander has worn when it's chilly out. I also don't think you worry about who to promote behind Benintendi. Perhaps someone goes down, or you use an org guy.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 28, 2016 8:35:35 GMT -5
Yea they do need to learn to play in the cold, hello October baseball, but not when you are learning a new level. I can't prove this but I'd also think playing in a WS game the cold isn't as bad as when playing in a AA game. If true that would indicate something immeasurable affecting performance so I'm not sure that's allowed ?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 28, 2016 10:22:41 GMT -5
So, if they start next year in AA will they not be subjected to the frigid cold? Benintendi seems like the one to get promoted first. This is just a guess. Who would be moved up from Greenville to fill Benny's slot? Right now, Joseph Monge looks like the best candidate. Alex B. is getting off to a slow start, so maybe Monge, though still only 20, has moved away in the Drive outfield. Tough question unless they send someone from Portland down to Salem. Monge has been losing ABs recently to Metheny. Basabe has picked up his offensive game. He now sports a .755 OPS but, he's young, no rush. Washington is doing great but he's a left fielder. Maybe a good time to delay by using an org guy. Salem's got two outfielders on the phantom DL, and Meyers/Hudson/Mars is an acceptable starting outfield. I don't think they'd promote anyone, necessarily, although they could to alleviate the five guys-three spots they've got going on with Ax. Basabe/Matheny/Washington/Kemp/Monge. When Moncada is promoted, however, I bet you see De La Guerra go up to free up 2B for NAS Basabe. And that would free up DH more often for the outfielders too.
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Post by nomar on Apr 28, 2016 10:36:28 GMT -5
Can't wait for Portland's climate to realize it's spring
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Post by johnmark on Apr 28, 2016 14:42:41 GMT -5
41 and overcast here in Milwaukee...thank goodness for the retractable roof at Miller Park.
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Post by thebogeyman on Apr 28, 2016 16:03:00 GMT -5
From Keith Law chat today:
Ryan Thompson: Who will be the Red Sox LF on August 1? Benintendi, Holt or someone else? Klaw: I’ll take the bet on Benintendi.
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Post by jchang on May 16, 2016 7:41:42 GMT -5
I would factor in the schedule, Salem so far has played 3 teams, Car, WS and Fre, this weekend they go to MB, then have Lyn and Wil in the next two weeks. I could see Beni and Moncada playing those two series then moving to Portland, no point waiting for the All-stars game. I would like to say I called this, but only Beni was promoted, Moncado soon?
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Post by gregblossersbelly on May 16, 2016 8:33:46 GMT -5
I would factor in the schedule, Salem so far has played 3 teams, Car, WS and Fre, this weekend they go to MB, then have Lyn and Wil in the next two weeks. I could see Beni and Moncada playing those two series then moving to Portland, no point waiting for the All-stars game. I would like to say I called this, but only Beni was promoted, Moncado soon? I'd wager Moncada is in Portland by Memorial Day.
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Post by dmaineah on May 16, 2016 10:38:25 GMT -5
It's time to promote Justin Haley. Maybe after Kelly & E Rod are done with their rehab.
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Post by gerry on May 16, 2016 17:26:53 GMT -5
It's time to promote Justin Haley. Maybe after Kelly & E Rod are done with their rehab. Sounds like a plan. Will digress here for a bit. Just found a recording I had saved of the 7tb to 9tb innings of the Sox vs Rays, Sept 24,14. I recorded it because of all the prospects in the game, and kept it because we won 11 to 3, something happy to get thru the off-season. Watcbing it today reminded me just how tenuous is a prospect's life, and just how inconclusive promotions can be. In the 7th inning the lineup was C. Butler, who had just replaced CV, 1B Lava,, 2B Mookie, 3B Checchini who. had just replaced WMB, LF Cespedes replaced by Brentz , CF Castillo, RF JBJ who had just. replaced Nava. Brockstar was in the dugout comparing finger injuries with a clean shaven Nap. Ranaudo pitched 7 innings giving up 2R, 2BB, 2K. He was relieved by Drake Britton and Escobar to close it out, while Breslow and Wilson warmed up in the BP. Checchini won Player of the game based on his first HR and two terrific defensive plays at 3B. What happened? ?? Seeds of 2016? Of all those prospects, the killer b's remain: Basquez, Betts, Bogaerts, Bradley, (with Brentz, Butler and Castillo in AAA); and Benintendi in the very next wave.
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