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4/18 Gameday Thread: Death, Taxes & Espinoza
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 19, 2016 7:14:33 GMT -5
Agreed but the LD numbers this year seem a higher than usual. Last year Yoan was 4th in the minors with a minimum of 300 plate appearances at 22.7. The high was JBJ at 24.8%.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 19, 2016 8:04:24 GMT -5
So how much of a factor is Rijo playing 2B for Portland going to have in determining Moncada's promotion? Can he just skip to AAA?
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 19, 2016 8:09:32 GMT -5
Minor league batted ball classifications are a bit inconsistent. Generally, there are more batted balls classified as LDs than there are in the majors. At the very least, I think it's safe to say that all of the line drives are not ground balls, which is also good news. He's not getting nearly as many this year so far, SSS yadda yadda.
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Post by nomar on Apr 19, 2016 8:21:12 GMT -5
So how much of a factor is Rijo playing 2B for Portland going to have in determining Moncada's promotion? Can he just skip to AAA? I think it makes sense to move him off of 2B when he gets to AA. I'm sure some will disagree, but it's not his future position in this org and I don't see him being traded. I think they'll try him at 3B (that way they can potentially have their choice of 2 of Travis, Moncada, and Shaw for the CIF spots next year with Ramirez DHing). Wouldn't be surprised to see RF either, although with Benintendi looming to be promoted too, they may not want to have to end up bumping 2 OF starters in Portland.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 19, 2016 8:30:06 GMT -5
Minor league batted ball classifications are a bit inconsistent. Generally, there are more batted balls classified as LDs than there are in the majors. And line drive rate is already the least reliable batted ball number at the major league level.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Apr 19, 2016 8:33:41 GMT -5
So how much of a factor is Rijo playing 2B for Portland going to have in determining Moncada's promotion? Can he just skip to AAA? Eh, Wendell Rijo isn't gonna get in the way of Yoan Moncada; they'll do whatever is right for Yoan, no offense to young Wendell. And they won't send him to AAA, that's way too big of a jump. I've never heard of that happening. Yoan'll be in AA soon enough. In fact, I'm suddenly nervous that Moncada (and Benintendi) won't even make it to Frederick next week before promotion. These guys are clearly outclassing the Carolina League.
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Post by nomar on Apr 19, 2016 8:35:09 GMT -5
Minor league batted ball classifications are a bit inconsistent. Generally, there are more batted balls classified as LDs than there are in the majors. And line drive rate is already the least reliable batted ball number at the major league level. Blake Swihart's week just got even sadder.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 19, 2016 8:42:13 GMT -5
So how much of a factor is Rijo playing 2B for Portland going to have in determining Moncada's promotion? Can he just skip to AAA? Eh, Wendell Rijo isn't gonna get in the way of Yoan Moncada; they'll do whatever is right for Yoan, no offense to young Wendell. And they won't send him to AAA, that's way too big of a jump. I've never heard of that happening. Yoan'll be in AA soon enough. In fact, I'm suddenly nervous that Moncada (and Benintendi) won't even make it to Frederick next week before promotion. These guys are clearly outclassing the Carolina League. Honestly, if Rijo doesn't start hitting better, you could just swap the two.
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Post by radiohix on Apr 19, 2016 8:52:08 GMT -5
Minor league batted ball classifications are a bit inconsistent. Generally, there are more batted balls classified as LDs than there are in the majors. Yes, I'm aware of that but I mentionned the number regardless just to show that he's a above averageline drives hitter compared to his peers.
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Post by Guidas on Apr 19, 2016 9:42:53 GMT -5
Meanwhile, Cosart may be one of those quick rising, power arms to the MLB pen in late Aug/Sept if he can prove that he can command his two-pitch mix and it works at higher levels (AA-AAA).
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Post by Oregon Norm on Apr 19, 2016 9:53:57 GMT -5
The most revealing part of Moncada's game, for me, has been the discipline. The speed was obvious from the get go, but the walk rate over last season through the start of this one is remarkable. That's where he reveals his past experience in Cuba, I think. He's seen enough serious pitching on the island that this is almost like a kid's game. Has there been any player in the Sox system recently with the tools to be a leadoff bat that this guy has?
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Post by homerdante on Apr 19, 2016 10:02:42 GMT -5
What's going on with Devers so far? Early season struggles and adjusting to a new level? I'm surprised he hasn't adjusted yet?
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Post by iakovos11 on Apr 19, 2016 10:41:02 GMT -5
Meanwhile, Cosart may be one of those quick rising, power arms to the MLB pen in late Aug/Sept if he can prove that he can command his two-pitch mix and it works at higher levels (AA-AAA). I don't see Cosart rising that far that fast. He still has a long way to go. He's still pretty raw. It was right to move him to the pen. Decent chance he moves up this year, but I'll say only to AA.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 19, 2016 10:59:40 GMT -5
What's going on with Devers so far? Early season struggles and adjusting to a new level? I'm surprised he hasn't adjusted yet? It's an 11-game sample. He has 46 plate appearances. He is the third-youngest player in the Carolina League and fifth-youngest in High A. There's nothing to be surprised about yet.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 19, 2016 11:04:51 GMT -5
The most revealing part of Moncada's game, for me, has been the discipline. The speed was obvious from the get go, but the walk rate over last season through the start of this one is remarkable. That's where he reveals his past experience in Cuba, I think. He's seen enough serious pitching on the island that this is almost like a kid's game. Has there been any player in the Sox system recently with the tools to be a leadoff bat that this guy has? Ricky Henderson
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Post by mobaz on Apr 19, 2016 11:32:12 GMT -5
The most revealing part of Moncada's game, for me, has been the discipline. The speed was obvious from the get go, but the walk rate over last season through the start of this one is remarkable. That's where he reveals his past experience in Cuba, I think. He's seen enough serious pitching on the island that this is almost like a kid's game. Has there been any player in the Sox system recently with the tools to be a leadoff bat that this guy has? And what happens if the power really shows up?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 19, 2016 11:56:45 GMT -5
The most revealing part of Moncada's game, for me, has been the discipline. The speed was obvious from the get go, but the walk rate over last season through the start of this one is remarkable. That's where he reveals his past experience in Cuba, I think. He's seen enough serious pitching on the island that this is almost like a kid's game. Has there been any player in the Sox system recently with the tools to be a leadoff bat that this guy has? And what happens if the power really shows up? Then leadoff is even more compelling. The hands down all time greatest leadoff hitter also had 297 career home runs.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Apr 19, 2016 12:03:45 GMT -5
The most revealing part of Moncada's game, for me, has been the discipline. The speed was obvious from the get go, but the walk rate over last season through the start of this one is remarkable. That's where he reveals his past experience in Cuba, I think. He's seen enough serious pitching on the island that this is almost like a kid's game. Has there been any player in the Sox system recently with the tools to be a leadoff bat that this guy has?Well, Ellsbury had classic lead off tools, although he wasn't the prospect Moncada is, for sure. Moncada's got the Rickey Henderson package, at this point. Just ridiculous.
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Post by jmei on Apr 19, 2016 12:19:29 GMT -5
Moncada strikes out a good bit more than Ellsbury or Henderson (heh), though he makes up for it with lots of hard-hit line drives that should let him run a plus BABIP. In terms of more contemporary comps, a young Grady Sizemore comes to mind.
ADD: and in terms of Red Sox prospects, Ryan Westmoreland comes to mind...
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 19, 2016 15:37:18 GMT -5
What's going on with Devers so far? Early season struggles and adjusting to a new level? I'm surprised he hasn't adjusted yet? It's an 11-game sample. He has 46 plate appearances. He is the third-youngest player in the Carolina League and fifth-youngest in High A. There's nothing to be surprised about yet. And in fact, just to show something, Devers snapped an 0-for-18 skid with a single in the ninth yesterday. Before that slump, he was .238/.360/.524. Not saying either line has any meaning. The point is that neither does yet.
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