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Post by sibbysisti on Dec 19, 2012 11:29:51 GMT -5
This sets up an interesting scenario for 2014. Iglesias, more than likely, will play regularly at Pawtucket while Bogaerts toils for the Sea Dogs for at least half a season.
Supposing Iggy has a good season with the bat. Come ST, 2014 you'd have him and Xander competing for the Sox SS position.That would be ideal.
Interesting.
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Post by gatortough on Dec 19, 2012 11:58:19 GMT -5
What happens if Drew puts up a monster (say .800+ OPS) a la Beltre 2010. Do you definitely let him walk at the end of the year? Obviously a big hypothetical, but it will be interesting if it comes around. Bogaerts can move off (albeit to a less valuable position) and if Iggy can put together some decent AB’s at Pawtucket he could bring something back in a trade. Let’s say Drew reverts back to the 2010 version of himself, what’s the play at the end of the season?
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Post by pedroiayouk1520 on Dec 19, 2012 12:00:10 GMT -5
I would think that if Iglesias shows any competency with the bat and the Sox intend to keep him as the SS of the future, Xander could easily be moved to another position to add his big bat to the lineup. LF seems most likely. The reason why they haven't moved him yet is because they still aren't sure if Iglesias will develop and Xander would be more valuable if he stays at SS. He also has more trade value as a SS (even though we ideally would want to keep him).
Best case scenario is Iglesias shows that he can put up a .300 OBP with a gold glove and Xander slides in front of the Green Monster. It would be a good problem to have.
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Post by honkbal on Dec 19, 2012 12:24:17 GMT -5
What happens if Drew puts up a monster (say .800+ OPS) a la Beltre 2010. Do you definitely let him walk at the end of the year? Obviously a big hypothetical, but it will be interesting if it comes around. Bogaerts can move off (albeit to a less valuable position) and if Iggy can put together some decent AB’s at Pawtucket he could bring something back in a trade. Let’s say Drew reverts back to the 2010 version of himself, what’s the play at the end of the season? Qualifying offer and a draft pick.
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Post by gatortough on Dec 19, 2012 12:32:20 GMT -5
Qualifying offer and a draft pick. But then who plays short? Iggy? No guarantee he'll hit enough. Xander? Maybe, but for how long? SS has been a revolving door for a long time here, it seems like you should think twice before letting a high end SS walk when you don't have a surefire replacement.
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Post by honkbal on Dec 19, 2012 13:10:33 GMT -5
Qualifying offer and a draft pick. But then who plays short? Iggy? No guarantee he'll hit enough. Xander? Maybe, but for how long? SS has been a revolving door for a long time here, it seems like you should think twice before letting a high end SS walk when you don't have a surefire replacement. If neither one of them look ready to take over as SS in 2014, then you'd probably consider re-signing Drew whether or not he actually bounces back. I assumed you were proposing that hypothetical as an issue about possible conflicts. If the prospects don't develop then there's no conflict.
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Post by elguapo on Dec 20, 2012 9:26:12 GMT -5
it seems like you should think twice before letting a high end SS walk when you don't have a surefire replacement. No way I give up a compensation pick to sign a SS on the wrong side of 30 with declining range to a big contract with Iglesias/Bogaerts/Marrero in the pipeline.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Dec 20, 2012 12:31:05 GMT -5
Qualifying offer and a draft pick. But then who plays short? Iggy? No guarantee he'll hit enough. Xander? Maybe, but for how long? SS has been a revolving door for a long time here, it seems like you should think twice before letting a high end SS walk when you don't have a surefire replacement. You're right, they don't have a surefire replacement. They have two or three of them. Xander is a safe bet to outhit Drew very shortly, and Iglesias can outplay him in the field right now. Marrero is supposed to have some nice fielding chops as well and the bat should come along. Drew is a nice bet, nothing more, nothing less. He should net them a draft choice if all goes well. At worst he fills a hole that needs filling and provides a bat to go with it, and at a reasonable price. But let's not go overboard. The schizoid nature of the board about prospects mirrors that of the fan base. My choice would be to simply bring them up and let them play, but I've probably been following Oakland a little too long. That doesn't ever seem to be possible in Boston. So Victorino has to be around to take the heat if Ellsbury is dealt, shielding Bradley from the rancor that's sure to follow. Ditto the unwillingness to let Iglesias work it out at the plate in the big leagues. At least Drew makes a little more sense given how his stock has fallen and the potential return if he's healthy. But as Guapo makes clear, the idea of a 3-4 year contract for a shortstop with bad ankles who'll be approaching his mid-30s at the end of it isn't so hot.
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Post by GyIantosca on Dec 20, 2012 17:37:20 GMT -5
I hope Iglesias seizes the postion by the trade deadline and another team needs this kid Drew. But at least one year deals are nothing to me. I am so happy this team is playing hardball with Napoli if they can squeeze a year out of him because of the physical good for them. I'd rather 2 years no more. That's all the kids will need in my opinion. They played Dempster perfect.
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Post by jioh on Dec 20, 2012 18:01:22 GMT -5
Can we trade a free agent without their permission before a year? Has that rule been changed?
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Post by remember04 on Dec 20, 2012 19:28:11 GMT -5
Can we trade a free agent without their permission before a year? Has that rule been changed? Somewhere in this thread I do believe staff (sorry I can't remember who) stated that yes you can trade them the year you sign them. Anytime after June 15th I believe. Its drafted players that can't be traded until one full year after signing.
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Post by jioh on Dec 20, 2012 22:52:30 GMT -5
Can we trade a free agent without their permission before a year? Has that rule been changed? Somewhere in this thread I do believe staff (sorry I can't remember who) stated that yes you can trade them the year you sign them. Anytime after June 15th I believe. Its drafted players that can't be traded until one full year after signing. ah, yes it was Matt Huegel in "Reply #22 on Dec 17, 2012" and he was responding to, um, me. Apologies for asking the same question again after it had been answered. But I feel much better about all eight of these signings if we are free to trade them or the people they make semi-superfluous. I think the last week of July is going to be very interesting, whether we're in the hunt for 2013 or not.
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Post by dmaineah on Dec 24, 2012 9:39:48 GMT -5
Signing Drew is a real good signing by the round table decision makers that fills an obvious team hole at SS.
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Post by grandsalami on Dec 26, 2012 14:11:47 GMT -5
just announced, 40 man is now full, with napoi only one left
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Post by dmaineah on Dec 27, 2012 17:30:52 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 27, 2012 18:34:04 GMT -5
Just in case anyone else gets confused like I just was, it's Pedroia's presence that influenced Drew. I read that as meaning that Pedroia called him up to recruit him.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Dec 27, 2012 18:57:50 GMT -5
Just in case anyone else gets confused like I just was, it's Pedroia's presence that influenced Drew. I read that as meaning that Pedroia called him up to recruit him. It was telepathy, Hatfiled, telepathy... Reading through this only reinforces my belief that Boras feels Drew can re-establish his value with an one year contract. Why sell low? That's really what you'd be doing at this point by signing a multi-year deal after a poor season. For all his machinations, I think Boras enjoys working with his clients to get them the best deal he can. If he didn't, he could have encouraged Drew to take someone else's money and go off with his commission. It will not surprise me at all if Drew pulls a very good year out of his hat and justifies that faith. The Sox sure wouldn't have any complaints if he did. Unlike many teams, the Sox right now have a very good set of options at shortstop, options that will only get better as the season wears on.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Dec 27, 2012 19:39:58 GMT -5
Looking forward to seeing Drew play short for an extended period of time.
Can't believe he decided to take number 7!
It will be interesting if he gives us an average year (before the injury). Read somewhere that Fenway is a good park for him to play in offensively. For those who have watched him quite a bit, especially out west, does he hit to all fields? Will the monster be helpful to his swing?
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Post by brianthetaoist on Dec 28, 2012 13:00:12 GMT -5
I'm sort of excited about the Drew signing now ... there's a non-trivial chance that he'll be a really good player for the Sox next year, judging from his entire history. I'm also rooting pretty strongly for him for a few different reasons but mostly because of the comments from that jackass of a Diamondbacks owner.
If he does play well, the Sox would be really strong up the middle of the field.
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