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Post by sox fan in nc on May 23, 2016 14:49:00 GMT -5
I'm not sure he will be one of the "top" chips like Chapman, Teheran, Gray, & so on. Anyone who signs him will know he probably won't be able to help them in the playoffs. I would think about Brian Johnson. If I'm Beane I may take a flyer on Brian & his upside.
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Rich Hill
May 24, 2016 5:47:56 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 24, 2016 5:47:56 GMT -5
New poster here.
I think Hill is the best possible option at the deadline. We know he can do well here.
I also like to add to this idea and expand on it.
I know a lot of people here mentioned Josh Reddick in LF but that doesn't really fancy me.
I want the guy from Oakland that can flat out mash and is versatile. I'm talking about you Danny Valencia. He played the outfield as early as last year and probably could be just fine in LF Fenway. He can also spell Travis Shaw at 3B against lefties and give Ortiz a day off against a tough lefty too.
How about this idea?
Boston trades- Joe Kelly, Henry Owens, Michael Chavis, Marco Hernandez and maybe a throw in like Rutledge for Valencia and Hill.
Boston gets a new LF this year and a 3B option next year, while acquiring what would be a number 2 starter in Rich Hill.
The A's get controllable major league ready (for the most part) talent.
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May 24, 2016 5:56:59 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 24, 2016 5:56:59 GMT -5
I personally regret that the Sox dfa'd Valencia in the first place in 2012. He would of saved the Sox millions when it came to Pablo Sandoval.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 24, 2016 8:00:38 GMT -5
He will be one of the top chips at the deadline, he's absurdly cheap, and he's a lefty. Given how crazy the deadline has been in the past I could see him getting the equivalent of one of the Sox top 5-10 prospects in return. If that holds, is that worth it to people here? Can we move Marrero back into top 10 first? Maybe Johnson, but even that feels high. Depending on how things work out I could live with that. It would be fun to get to see how far his arm would go if he stays healthy. He's the definition of a guy you pitch till his arm blows out. The thing is I think it takes a lot more then Johnson which is why I pass.
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Post by sox fan in nc on May 24, 2016 8:01:42 GMT -5
New poster here. I think Hill is the best possible option at the deadline. We know he can do well here. I also like to add to this idea and expand on it. I know a lot of people here mentioned Josh Reddick in LF but that doesn't really fancy me. I want the guy from Oakland that can flat out mash and is versatile. I'm talking about you Danny Valencia. He played the outfield as early as last year and probably could be just fine in LF Fenway. He can also spell Travis Shaw at 3B against lefties and give Ortiz a day off against a tough lefty too. How about this idea? Boston trades- Joe Kelly, Henry Owens, Michael Chavis, Marco Hernandez and maybe a throw in like Rutledge for Valencia and Hill. Boston gets a new LF this year and a 3B option next year, while acquiring what would be a number 2 starter in Rich Hill. The A's get controllable major league ready (for the most part) talent. Welcome....Interesting thought, it does thin out our already thin rotation & not sure Hill can go 180-200 innings this year. It would force us to have to sign another F/A pitcher this winter in a thin market. Valencia would block either Benintendi or Sam Travis next year.
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Post by mandelbro on May 24, 2016 9:22:32 GMT -5
He will be one of the top chips at the deadline, he's absurdly cheap, and he's a lefty. Given how crazy the deadline has been in the past I could see him getting the equivalent of one of the Sox top 5-10 prospects in return. If that holds, is that worth it to people here? I'd consider Marco Hernandez a 5-10 prospect so yeah, I could still do it. Depends on the prospect. That said, I'm starting to think I underestimated his market.
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Post by sox fan in nc on May 24, 2016 9:42:16 GMT -5
Last night---Rich Hill goes 8 scoreless against 1st place Mariners @ Safeco. 7-3 2.18 ERA.....
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Post by radiohix on May 24, 2016 17:11:30 GMT -5
Pretty sure Duquette will outbid everybody to get him if he stays healthy. I mean the guy gave up a top 100 prospect for 25 innings of Miller. He'll drive up the price to a territory I won't be confortable with.
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Post by dmaineah on May 31, 2016 12:11:27 GMT -5
I'll take Rich Hill back in a trade but I want Sean Doolittle to come with him as well.
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Post by kingofthetrill on May 31, 2016 13:27:55 GMT -5
I'll take Rich Hill back in a trade but I want Sean Doolittle to come with him as well. Maybe we can go to Oakland for all of our one-stop shopping needs. We can get Rich Hill, Sean Doolittle, and Josh Reddick. Oakland already has a bunch of our former prospects/players anyway, so why not send them a few more? I imagine that Ryan Madson might be cheaper in terms of prospects than Doolittle. All we can hope for is that Beane has some insane attraction to one of our random pieces.
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Post by jimoh on Jun 1, 2016 13:23:01 GMT -5
I'll take Rich Hill back in a trade but I want Sean Doolittle to come with him as well. Maybe we can go to Oakland for all of our one-stop shopping needs. We can get Rich Hill, Sean Doolittle, and Josh Reddick. Oakland already has a bunch of our former prospects/players anyway, so why not send them a few more? I imagine that Ryan Madson might be cheaper in terms of prospects than Doolittle. All we can hope for is that Beane has some insane attraction to one of our random pieces. maybe Tzu-Wei Lin likes video games and cooking, so he is the geek god of woks.
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Rich Hill
Jun 6, 2016 12:58:13 GMT -5
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Post by dnfl333 on Jun 6, 2016 12:58:13 GMT -5
Why can't the Sox develop arms like rich hill
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Post by brendan98 on Jun 6, 2016 15:43:52 GMT -5
Have we seen enough of Hill to believe that his excellent performance will continue?
If so, any thoughts on what kind of package it would cost the Red Sox to re-acquire Hill?
I’m thinking the A’s ask for at least 1 top 50 type prospect plus 1 or 2 more prospects. Would Devers, Owens and Lakins or Ball be enough? or is that too much for the Sox to give up?
I’m thinking the A’s will get plenty of offers for Hill, and might be able to get more than that, but I’d be like to know what others on here think.
Personally I’d hate to give up Devers, I could see him being a good power bat in the future, but we are not going to get a starting pitcher who can really make a difference without it hurting.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 6, 2016 15:54:04 GMT -5
Have we seen enough of Hill to believe that his excellent performance will continue? If so, any thoughts on what kind of package it would cost the Red Sox to re-acquire Hill? I’m thinking the A’s ask for at least 1 top 50 type prospect plus 1 or 2 more prospects. Would Devers, Owens and Lakins or Ball be enough? or is that too much for the Sox to give up? I’m thinking the A’s will get plenty of offers for Hill, and might be able to get more than that, but I’d be like to know what others on here think. Personally I’d hate to give up Devers, I could see him being a good power bat in the future, but we are not going to get a starting pitcher who can really make a difference without it hurting. I'd hate giving up Devers, too, and don't think I'd do it. It's scary to think about how much they'd have to give up for Hill. I just so hope that E-Rod can give them that fourth (really 2nd or 3rd) viable post-season starter. If he does and they have Price, Wright, E-Rod, and Porcello healthy, then I think the Sox can dodge a bullet and work on upgrading the pen, LF, and LH bat off the bench situations instead, upgrades that can be done much cheaper, and with much less pain.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 6, 2016 16:37:04 GMT -5
Have we seen enough of Hill to believe that his excellent performance will continue? If so, any thoughts on what kind of package it would cost the Red Sox to re-acquire Hill? I’m thinking the A’s ask for at least 1 top 50 type prospect plus 1 or 2 more prospects. Would Devers, Owens and Lakins or Ball be enough? or is that too much for the Sox to give up? I’m thinking the A’s will get plenty of offers for Hill, and might be able to get more than that, but I’d be like to know what others on here think. Personally I’d hate to give up Devers, I could see him being a good power bat in the future, but we are not going to get a starting pitcher who can really make a difference without it hurting. A's will not get a better offer than Devers, Owens, and Larkin/Ball. I think that's a crazy high offer, for a pitcher with Hill's injury history and lack of innings.
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Post by beasleyrockah on Jun 6, 2016 16:48:32 GMT -5
Yeah I think too many people are forgetting that Hill hasn't handled a full season workload in almost a decade. I'm rooting for the guy and think he'll keep pitching well until he breaks down, but I'm not confident that at age 36 he'll jump his workload over 100 innings from last season without breaking down. He's a rental in the purest form, and you've got to be confident he'll be pitching effectively in October for it to be worth a trade.
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Post by jmei on Jun 6, 2016 17:48:47 GMT -5
Devers, Owens and a third piece is more than what the Blue Jays gave up for Price or what the Royals gave up for Cueto last year (back when Cueto was still regarded as one of the best pitchers in the league). That's an insane offer for a player in Hill with significantly higher performance and durability risk.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Jun 6, 2016 18:27:19 GMT -5
And I'll say it again, the Red Sox are in a tough spot this trade deadline. The top four is too good and everyone else is not good enough should the team need to acquire a good starter.
This is only further magnified by the injuries to Travis and Swihart - two of the best (arguably) expendable assets.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jun 6, 2016 19:29:39 GMT -5
Devers, Owens and a third piece is more than what the Blue Jays gave up for Price or what the Royals gave up for Cueto last year (back when Cueto was still regarded as one of the best pitchers in the league). That's an insane offer for a player in Hill with significantly higher performance and durability risk. I agree, but I could see Devers and Owens being packaged together for Hill and a larger piece. What about Devers, Owens, Kopech, an OF (Ramos/Matheny/Brentz) and a utility piece like Holt/Rutledge/Hernandez/Marrero for Hill, Reddick, and preferrably Doolittle, but possibly Madson? I still have dreams of a Swihart/Vasquez semi-platoon at Catcher. I'd have originally included Swihart and/or Johnson instead of Kopech if it weren't for the injury and anxiety issues respectively. I'm sure we'll feel the burn as good trades likely make both sides feel some pain, but we are likely going to reload some prospects shortly in the draft and new international signing period. I almost want to execute this trade after seeing what haul we get in the draft to see what kind of positions are more expendable.
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Rich Hill
Jun 6, 2016 19:36:45 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 6, 2016 19:36:45 GMT -5
And I'll say it again, the Red Sox are in a tough spot this trade deadline. The top four is too good and everyone else is not good enough should the team need to acquire a good starter. This is only further magnified by the injuries to Travis and Swihart - two of the best (arguably) expendable assets. Well the Sox could still trade Sam Travis if they put him on the 60 day DL I believe.
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Rich Hill
Jun 6, 2016 19:40:30 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 6, 2016 19:40:30 GMT -5
Devers, Owens and a third piece is more than what the Blue Jays gave up for Price or what the Royals gave up for Cueto last year (back when Cueto was still regarded as one of the best pitchers in the league). That's an insane offer for a player in Hill with significantly higher performance and durability risk. Not to mention that, but Hill has been experiencing a groin issue lately. I'm not offering a better player than a Marco Hernandez with a couple of other B type prospects. The only way I'm offering Devers up is if Sonny Gray is in the deal also.
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Rich Hill
Jun 7, 2016 2:36:06 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 7, 2016 2:36:06 GMT -5
Devers, Owens and a third piece is more than what the Blue Jays gave up for Price or what the Royals gave up for Cueto last year (back when Cueto was still regarded as one of the best pitchers in the league). That's an insane offer for a player in Hill with significantly higher performance and durability risk. I agree, but I could see Devers and Owens being packaged together for Hill and a larger piece. What about Devers, Owens, Kopech, an OF (Ramos/Matheny/Brentz) and a utility piece like Holt/Rutledge/Hernandez/Marrero for Hill, Reddick, and preferrably Doolittle, but possibly Madson? I still have dreams of a Swihart/Vasquez semi-platoon at Catcher. I'd have originally included Swihart and/or Johnson instead of Kopech if it weren't for the injury and anxiety issues respectively. I'm sure we'll feel the burn as good trades likely make both sides feel some pain, but we are likely going to reload some prospects shortly in the draft and new international signing period. I almost want to execute this trade after seeing what haul we get in the draft to see what kind of positions are more expendable. Doolittle and Reddick are bigger pieces? They're complementary players. Devers is a top 20 prospect, I think you keep forgetting that. If the A's ask for Devers for Hill, the Sox shouldn't ever call the A's ever again to trade with.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jun 7, 2016 7:17:37 GMT -5
Doolittle and Reddick are bigger pieces? They're complementary players. Devers is a top 20 prospect, I think you keep forgetting that. If the A's ask for Devers for Hill, the Sox shouldn't ever call the A's ever again to trade with. You'll have to forgive me, but based on some of the opinions here, my goal was to shoot for a trade that people slightly disliked and considered a overpay, because that'd be the only type of trade that another GM would even consider. I think most of the offers around here would not get a call back from the opposing GM, so in order for a trade to actually get done, I'm sure that some people here are going to have to hate it. That being said, I honestly hope that you're right, because then maybe we can keep Kopech or Devers and still get the deal done.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 7, 2016 7:56:07 GMT -5
Doolittle and Reddick are bigger pieces? They're complementary players. Devers is a top 20 prospect, I think you keep forgetting that. If the A's ask for Devers for Hill, the Sox shouldn't ever call the A's ever again to trade with. You'll have to forgive me, but based on some of the opinions here, my goal was to shoot for a trade that people slightly disliked and considered a overpay, because that'd be the only type of trade that another GM would even consider. I think most of the offers around here would not get a call back from the opposing GM, so in order for a trade to actually get done, I'm sure that some people here are going to have to hate it. That being said, I honestly hope that you're right, because then maybe we can keep Kopech or Devers and still get the deal done. Do you know Rich Hill's history??? Your offers tell me you don't and your just looking at how he is currently pitching. No team is trading a top 10/20 prospect for a starter that hasn't pitched anywhere close to a full season in a decade. I wouldn't trade Owens straight up for Hill, I wouldn't trade Larkin or Ball straight up for Hill. I wouldn't trade Hernandez for Hill. It's not if he will breakdown it's when. You could get 2 starts, 5 starts or 1 start. Now if you include Reddick you might be able to build a package around Owens, but even with Reddick your not getting Devers. Also knowing Beane he would want young upside guys that most people don't consider top prospects at this time.
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Rich Hill
Jun 7, 2016 8:05:08 GMT -5
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Post by jmei on Jun 7, 2016 8:05:08 GMT -5
Uh, I, for one, would trade Trey Ball for Hill.
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