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Post by dmaineah on May 18, 2016 11:01:33 GMT -5
Should the Red Sox start to quietly shop Hanley while everything is going good with him & he is no longer limited to American League only teams?
In 2017 I could see a team of; Infield; Vazquez, Travis, Pedroia, Shaw, Bogaerts Outfield; Benintendi, Bradley, Betts DH; Sandoval Bench; Hannigan, Swihart, Holt, Young
He could be part of a deal that brings in a Starting Pitcher to go with Price.
I actually like this idea.
Thoughts
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 18, 2016 14:07:55 GMT -5
Should the Red Sox start to quietly shop Hanley while everything is going good with him & he is no longer limited to American League only teams?
In 2017 I could see a team of; Infield; Vazquez, Travis, Pedroia, Shaw, Bogaerts Outfield; Benintendi, Bradley, Betts DH; Sandoval Bench; Hannigan, Swihart, Holt, Young
He could be part of a deal that brings in a Starting Pitcher to go with Price.
I actually like this idea.
Thoughts Who plays 1b in 2016 with Hanley gone? Are you prepared to play Shaw at 1b with Holt at 3b and Young (or Castillo) playing more in LF or are you prepared to simply plug a lot of Rutledge into 3b? That weakens the Red Sox considerably. They need Ramirez at 1b in 2016 and the thought of Sandoval as the DH in 2017 is laughable. He's barely adequate offensively for 3b if he is (he sure wasn't in 2015), and he is supposed to be at DH for his offense? I'd think the Sox would be just about forced into signing Encarnacion in that scenario. I'll pass on that. I like Ramirez as the DH much better in 2017 (or 1b if Travis is dealt and Encarnacion is signed).
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Post by jimed14 on May 18, 2016 14:56:00 GMT -5
We're trying to win this year.
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Post by dmaineah on May 23, 2016 11:43:18 GMT -5
Should the Red Sox start to quietly shop Hanley while everything is going good with him & he is no longer limited to American League only teams?
In 2017 I could see a team of; Infield; Vazquez, Travis, Pedroia, Shaw, Bogaerts Outfield; Benintendi, Bradley, Betts DH; Sandoval Bench; Hannigan, Swihart, Holt, Young
He could be part of a deal that brings in a Starting Pitcher to go with Price.
I actually like this idea.
Thoughts Who plays 1b in 2016 with Hanley gone? Are you prepared to play Shaw at 1b with Holt at 3b and Young (or Castillo) playing more in LF or are you prepared to simply plug a lot of Rutledge into 3b? That weakens the Red Sox considerably. They need Ramirez at 1b in 2016 and the thought of Sandoval as the DH in 2017 is laughable. He's barely adequate offensively for 3b if he is (he sure wasn't in 2015), and he is supposed to be at DH for his offense? I'd think the Sox would be just about forced into signing Encarnacion in that scenario. I'll pass on that. I like Ramirez as the DH much better in 2017 (or 1b if Travis is dealt and Encarnacion is signed). Like I posted, Sam Travis plays 1B
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Post by dmaineah on May 23, 2016 11:45:44 GMT -5
We're trying to win this year. I agree. But I don't think that having or loosing Hanley will be the difference between winning and loosing. I do think that getting another starting pitcher could be though.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 23, 2016 12:46:38 GMT -5
Who plays 1b in 2016 with Hanley gone? Are you prepared to play Shaw at 1b with Holt at 3b and Young (or Castillo) playing more in LF or are you prepared to simply plug a lot of Rutledge into 3b? That weakens the Red Sox considerably. They need Ramirez at 1b in 2016 and the thought of Sandoval as the DH in 2017 is laughable. He's barely adequate offensively for 3b if he is (he sure wasn't in 2015), and he is supposed to be at DH for his offense? I'd think the Sox would be just about forced into signing Encarnacion in that scenario. I'll pass on that. I like Ramirez as the DH much better in 2017 (or 1b if Travis is dealt and Encarnacion is signed). Like I posted, Sam Travis plays 1B Well I would say that Hanley is hitting better in Boston than Travis is in AAA and I am a big believer in Sam Travis, so we'd be downgrading 1b by a good deal. Then my next question is what team do you think is going to trade a #2 starter for a veteran 1b? If you're in contention you're going to want your #2 starter more than a good hitting 1b. And if you're out of contention, you're going to want youth, which means you'd prefer minimum wage Sam Travis who would be yours for the next six years. So in summary, Hanley Ramirez isn't getting the Sox a #2 (or a pitcher who's significantly better than what they already have) type starter.
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Post by dmaineah on May 23, 2016 12:58:32 GMT -5
I think Hanley would be interesting to a team in contention that needs a 1b & a Bat.
Hanley Ramirez for Taijuan Walker
I think the Red Sox should move on from Hanley before he becomes.... well, Hanley again.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 23, 2016 13:05:48 GMT -5
I think Hanley would be interesting to a team in contention that needs a 1b & a Bat. Hanley Ramirez for Taijuan Walker I think the Red Sox should move on from Hanley before he becomes.... well, Hanley again. And why would the Mariners be stupid enough to deal an excellent young starter who's helping them win (for six years) for an overpaid but (happily) serviceable 1b? If the Ms want to upgrade 1b (rather than give Lind and/or Lee a chance to improve) they can get a 1b a lot cheaper without surrendering their core talent.
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Post by jrffam05 on May 23, 2016 14:13:45 GMT -5
Hanley is basically on a market deal, we were the highest (or close to it) bidder on him last year, when he was terrible. He has redeemed himself this year so far, but not to the point where he has surplus value over his contract. My philosophy is that every player in the MLB should be available in trades, but you won't get anything back for Hanley that makes it worth it.
Contrary to spring training news, Travis is far from a sure bet at 1B, even if he is a good prospect.
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Post by dnfl333 on May 23, 2016 19:04:25 GMT -5
I think Hanley would be interesting to a team in contention that needs a 1b & a Bat. Hanley Ramirez for Taijuan Walker I think the Red Sox should move on from Hanley before he becomes.... well, Hanley again. And why would the Mariners be stupid enough to deal an excellent young starter who's helping them win (for six years) for an overpaid but (happily) serviceable 1b? If the Ms want to upgrade 1b (rather than give Lind and/or Lee a chance to improve) they can get a 1b a lot cheaper without surrendering their core talent. See Cano
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 23, 2016 19:34:04 GMT -5
And why would the Mariners be stupid enough to deal an excellent young starter who's helping them win (for six years) for an overpaid but (happily) serviceable 1b? If the Ms want to upgrade 1b (rather than give Lind and/or Lee a chance to improve) they can get a 1b a lot cheaper without surrendering their core talent. See Cano That doesn't mean the Mariners are dumb enough to deal Walker for Hanley. This isn't fantasyland.
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Post by dmaineah on May 31, 2016 11:38:53 GMT -5
I think Hanley would be interesting to a team in contention that needs a 1b & a Bat.
Hanley Ramirez for Matt Harvey
I think the Red Sox should move on from Hanley before he becomes.... well, Hanley again.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 31, 2016 13:22:13 GMT -5
I think Hanley would be interesting to a team in contention that needs a 1b & a Bat. Hanley Ramirez for Matt Harvey I think the Red Sox should move on from Hanley before he becomes.... well, Hanley again. If you were the Mets GM would you make that trade? Honestly? Of course not. Hate to break the news to you. The Sox need Ramirez to be their 1b, especially with Sam Travis out for the year. I doubt they want to have to acquire a 3b or a 1b. Holt at 3b and Shaw at 1b isn't preferable to Shaw at 3b and Ramirez at 1b. Oh, the Mets could use Ramirez, I suppose, but they'd be out of their minds to deal Harvey for him. Not going to happen.
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Post by dmaineah on Jun 2, 2016 10:04:07 GMT -5
I think Hanley would be interesting to a team in contention that needs a 1b & a Bat. Hanley Ramirez for Matt Harvey I think the Red Sox should move on from Hanley before he becomes.... well, Hanley again. If you were the Mets GM would you make that trade? Honestly? Of course not. Hate to break the news to you. The Sox need Ramirez to be their 1b, especially with Sam Travis out for the year. I doubt they want to have to acquire a 3b or a 1b. Holt at 3b and Shaw at 1b isn't preferable to Shaw at 3b and Ramirez at 1b. Oh, the Mets could use Ramirez, I suppose, but they'd be out of their minds to deal Harvey for him. Not going to happen. If I was the Mets GM i'd ask for Blake Swihart & Marco Hernandez as well & if I was the Red Sox GM I'd say yes.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 2, 2016 17:51:09 GMT -5
Who is going to play 1B? No one? Or some scrub that has no business in the majors? They aren't trading anyone off the roster because they are trying to win this year.
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Post by brendan98 on Jun 2, 2016 20:06:46 GMT -5
If you were the Mets GM would you make that trade? Honestly? Of course not. Hate to break the news to you. The Sox need Ramirez to be their 1b, especially with Sam Travis out for the year. I doubt they want to have to acquire a 3b or a 1b. Holt at 3b and Shaw at 1b isn't preferable to Shaw at 3b and Ramirez at 1b. Oh, the Mets could use Ramirez, I suppose, but they'd be out of their minds to deal Harvey for him. Not going to happen. If I was the Mets GM i'd ask for Blake Swihart & Marco Hernandez as well & if I was the Red Sox GM I'd say yes. So Hanley, Swihart and Hernandez for Harvey, sign me up TIC. We should try to get Familia in the deal too maybe they would throw him in for Rutledge. Seriously, why do you think the Mets deal Harvey for anything less than a young impact player and/or multiple top prospects?
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Post by telson13 on Jun 2, 2016 21:08:02 GMT -5
I think Hanley would be interesting to a team in contention that needs a 1b & a Bat. Hanley Ramirez for Taijuan Walker I think the Red Sox should move on from Hanley before he becomes.... well, Hanley again. And why would the Mariners be stupid enough to deal an excellent young starter who's helping them win (for six years) for an overpaid but (happily) serviceable 1b? If the Ms want to upgrade 1b (rather than give Lind and/or Lee a chance to improve) they can get a 1b a lot cheaper without surrendering their core talent. ^This. I've been advocating trading for Taijuan Walker for a couple of years, but a Walker-Ramirez trade is WAY beyond absurd. It might be vaguely possible if the Sox included, say, Kopech, and Hanley were hitting .300/.380/.550 or so.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 2, 2016 22:40:33 GMT -5
And why would the Mariners be stupid enough to deal an excellent young starter who's helping them win (for six years) for an overpaid but (happily) serviceable 1b? If the Ms want to upgrade 1b (rather than give Lind and/or Lee a chance to improve) they can get a 1b a lot cheaper without surrendering their core talent. ^This. I've been advocating trading for Taijuan Walker for a couple of years, but a Walker-Ramirez trade is WAY beyond absurd. It might be vaguely possible if the Sox included, say, Kopech, and Hanley were hitting .300/.380/.550 or so. This amounts to "I don't like Hanley but he hasn't been a disaster this year so let's trade him for whatever stud another team has because of course they want to make the deal and of course who cares if the Sox don't really have another 1b or 3b (assuming Shaw moves to 1b) to take over for Hanley?
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 3, 2016 17:27:56 GMT -5
This thread shouldn't exist.
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Post by dmaineah on Jul 5, 2016 13:15:07 GMT -5
I still think Hanley could net a Starter at this trade deadline
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 5, 2016 13:54:23 GMT -5
I still think Hanley could net a Starter at this trade deadline If the Red Sox paid most of the $22 million/year left on his contract I'm sure they could get a #4/#5 type. I don't really understand why it's that difficult for you to fathom that Hanley Ramirez's trade value isn't that high. At this point he has more value to the Red Sox than another team because if he can't play 1b, then Shaw winds up at 1b and a utility man type has to play 3b, and that's not an improvement. Really, if I were you I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for Hanley Ramirez to be traded for a pitcher on Aug 1st.
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Post by telson13 on Jul 5, 2016 17:03:04 GMT -5
Yeah, the hole created by trading Ramirez, plus the requisite salary relief (probably $12-14M a year), *plus* the incoming pitcher's salary...this is just a monumentally dense idea. The only way it would've made sense were if the Sox had a ready-to-step-in replacement who could do the job at least as well, if not better. Move Shaw and Holt and you're just shifting the hole around the diamond, not to mention weakening 3b on both sides of the ball. And killing your depth.
I still can't believe the Hanley-for-Walker/Harvey posts were not in jest.
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Post by dnfl333 on Jul 9, 2016 19:30:20 GMT -5
The better ? is, what Teams can afford Ramirez if they had interest. NL Mets, AL maybe Seattle, Cleveland ? Destinations are limited unless a Team is desperate
Anybody know how the Vesting option is written in his contract?
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Post by brendan98 on Jul 9, 2016 20:10:36 GMT -5
Hanley has the 5th highest OPS of AL first baseman, he's played good defense at 1B, and he has been a standup guy in the clubhouse. Hanley has been a valuable player for the Sox and while I would consider trading anyone in the right deal, I think the thought process that we should deal Hanley while we have a chance is misguided, and based upon many people deciding they don't like Hanley due to what happened last season. I for one am happy to have Hanley, he may leave a little to be desired in some areas, but he plays hard, and has turned things around this year.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 9, 2016 21:07:19 GMT -5
Despite all the silly noises about his attitude, he's played very hard, to the point of possibly injuring himself. He takes extra bases when he can, steals a few, and he's going to own a few pieces of the left field wall when the season's through. He's an asset and, his body willing, he'll stay that way in the second half.
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