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Post by jdb on Jun 29, 2016 8:10:26 GMT -5
I'm with pnw here. I don't see the pitchers out there that would be required to trade any of our bigger chips and think we'll see a more controlled buy with a back end starter and RP coming our way.
Now next offseason I think we could see a shake up to get pitching with maybe a Shaw going somewhere and acquiring a stop gap 3B until Moncada is ready.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 29, 2016 8:38:22 GMT -5
We have a stopgap 3B who should be ready to play next year.
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Post by dnfl333 on Jun 29, 2016 12:11:57 GMT -5
I'm with pnw here. I don't see the pitchers out there that would be required to trade any of our bigger chips and think we'll see a more controlled buy with a back end starter and RP coming our way. Now next offseason I think we could see a shake up to get pitching with maybe a Shaw going somewhere and acquiring a stop gap 3B until Moncada is ready. Panda will pull a Lackey
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Post by telson13 on Jun 29, 2016 13:55:34 GMT -5
These 2 guys would cost at least our top 5 or 6 prospects & then some. I agree with your "sells", it's just that they would not bring anything. What would you give up for Hanley & his contract? Koji? MILLER? LAYNE? ? I'm fine with that. If trading Moncada, Benintendi, Espinoza, Devers, Travis & Kopech nets us Archer & Harvey count me in! So, a guy who's shortly post-TJ, is dues for fat raises, is striking batters out at a league-average rate, and is 4-10 with a 4.55/4.21 ERA/xFIP? www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=11713&position=PAnd a second who's 4-11 with a 4.76/3.63 ERA/xFIP? www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=6345&position=PThe first of whom is due big raises and has just 2 1/2 years of control left? Hahaha! You're an imbedded Yankee fan, I see.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Jun 29, 2016 15:17:14 GMT -5
I'm with pnw here. I don't see the pitchers out there that would be required to trade any of our bigger chips and think we'll see a more controlled buy with a back end starter and RP coming our way. Now next offseason I think we could see a shake up to get pitching with maybe a Shaw going somewhere and acquiring a stop gap 3B until Moncada is ready. Panda will pull a Lackey Lackey came back & physically looked like Adam Wainwright. I'd be happy if Panda looks like Juan Uribe.
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Post by telson13 on Jun 29, 2016 16:32:38 GMT -5
Rotation 1.Greinke 2.price 3.Gray 4.Wright. Trade porcello and eat the money outfield 1,Holt 2.jbj 3.Betts Holt is the key to not making a move here ...team has not been the same without him in the lineup . On the block Vaz,Buck,Pedey,Moncada,Devers ,Travis,Hanley ,Kelly ,Owens Johnson ,panda,porcello What makes you think Grienke will be better than Porcello? He's having a season like Porcello did last year, and he's five years older. He's also signed for 5.5 more years instead of 3.5, and at $30M per instead of $20M per. On top of that, everything I've seen about him suggests that he has Asperger's or some other autism spectrum disorder, which means he'd need to be handled very carefully. Plus, who are you going to trade to acquire him? And who's your fifth starter? You realize that your whole "every prospect is up for grabs" approach two years ago would mean that this team would currently have Hamels atop the rotation instead of Price, and God knows who starting in CF, RF, and SS. That's really a truly terrible approach to building a team with any hope of long-term success.
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Post by telson13 on Jun 29, 2016 16:34:21 GMT -5
Or Gray?! He's been getting shelled all year in a ballpark that's one of the most forgiving to pitchers in the AL.
WTH are people thinking with some of these proposals?!
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Post by sammo420 on Jun 29, 2016 16:57:16 GMT -5
Since the free agent compensation rules changed, it hasn't really paid off to be buyers all that much, if at all. Certainly not on anybody remotely big. Make minor moves or stand pat.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 1, 2016 8:30:00 GMT -5
Breakdown based on and ranked by BP and FG playoff odds, but including projected wins against a neutral schedule.
Current definite sellers: 55.4 Twins 53.6 Reds 55.8 Braves 66.2 Phillies 67.4 Padres 64.4 Brewers 65.9 Athletics
Very likely sellers: 76.3 Diamondbacks 76.9 Rays 78.3 Rockies
Possible or likely sellers: 77.4 Pirates 75.6 Yankees
Edit: it turns out that ESPN added some stuff at the top of their standings page that created a bug in my spreadsehet. So there was nothing special about the NL West after all! And the AL is once again beating the NL in interleague, but by a lot less than in previous years (projecting to 1.7 wins per team at year's end).
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 3, 2016 8:06:40 GMT -5
Or Gray?! He's been getting shelled all year in a ballpark that's one of the most forgiving to pitchers in the AL. WTH are people thinking with some of these proposals?! People want to buy in this town every year regardless of how good or bad they are. I remember people wanted to buy back in 2014 and 2015.
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Post by telson13 on Jul 3, 2016 23:35:17 GMT -5
Or Gray?! He's been getting shelled all year in a ballpark that's one of the most forgiving to pitchers in the AL. WTH are people thinking with some of these proposals?! People want to buy in this town every year regardless of how good or bad they are. I remember people wanted to buy back in 2014 and 2015. That's what kills me...the entire Boston media horde clamoring for a Betts/Bogaerts/Swihart+Espinoza etc deal for Cole Hamels, all based on the mindless "they're just prospects, most of them fail" mantra. As if Hamels would've made one iota of difference. But I can damn well assure them all that this team without Bogaerts or Betts would be very different.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 4, 2016 9:06:25 GMT -5
People want to buy in this town every year regardless of how good or bad they are. I remember people wanted to buy back in 2014 and 2015. That's what kills me...the entire Boston media horde clamoring for a Betts/Bogaerts/Swihart+Espinoza etc deal for Cole Hamels, all based on the mindless "they're just prospects, most of them fail" mantra. As if Hamels would've made one iota of difference. But I can damn well assure them all that this team without Bogaerts or Betts would be very different. It always amazes me how the media can't see beyond anything but today. It's almost as if they don't really care about tomorrow or can't think beyond any difficult concepts. Then in turn it feeds the masses who call into WEEI (or other stations) to complain and have hosts that are more interested in their ratings than actually having a real conversation. So you get a bunch of whiners complaining about everything because they can't believe the perfection hasn't been attained every day. So yeah, let's trade away the farm system to fix all of our issues this year. Don't worry about the future. But then when it's the following season, it's the same cry and if they actually got what they wanted the year before, they can't figure out why there's nothing left at all in the system to trade with. And the media just continues to paint all prospects with the same broad stroke as if Donnie Sadlers of the world and Mookie Betts' of the world are one and the same. And so we get all of these dumb callers who delight in seeing who can complain the loudest but are so damn stupid - I mean Red Sox fans like to think of themselves as the most educated fans in the world, but man, do we have a lot of stupid fans, and I sometimes don't know who's dumber - the idiot on the line ranting and raving, or me for listening to it because I'm starved for baseball conversation in my car and can't find it anywhere else, so I give these guys ratings.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jul 4, 2016 10:36:08 GMT -5
That's what kills me...the entire Boston media horde clamoring for a Betts/Bogaerts/Swihart+Espinoza etc deal for Cole Hamels, all based on the mindless "they're just prospects, most of them fail" mantra. As if Hamels would've made one iota of difference. But I can damn well assure them all that this team without Bogaerts or Betts would be very different. It always amazes me how the media can't see beyond anything but today. It's almost as if they don't really care about tomorrow or can't think beyond any difficult concepts. Then in turn it feeds the masses who call into WEEI (or other stations) to complain and have hosts that are more interested in their ratings than actually having a real conversation. So you get a bunch of whiners complaining about everything because they can't believe the perfection hasn't been attained every day. So yeah, let's trade away the farm system to fix all of our issues this year. Don't worry about the future. But then when it's the following season, it's the same cry and if they actually got what they wanted the year before, they can't figure out why there's nothing left at all in the system to trade with. And the media just continues to paint all prospects with the same broad stroke as if Donnie Sadlers of the world and Mookie Betts' of the world are one and the same. And so we get all of these dumb callers who delight in seeing who can complain the loudest but are so damn stupid - I mean Red Sox fans like to think of themselves as the most educated fans in the world, but man, do we have a lot of stupid fans, and I sometimes don't know who's dumber - the idiot on the line ranting and raving, or me for listening to it because I'm starved for baseball conversation in my car and can't find it anywhere else, so I give these guys ratings. Preaching to the choir for me....
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 5, 2016 1:56:59 GMT -5
People want to buy in this town every year regardless of how good or bad they are. I remember people wanted to buy back in 2014 and 2015. That's what kills me...the entire Boston media horde clamoring for a Betts/Bogaerts/Swihart+Espinoza etc deal for Cole Hamels, all based on the mindless "they're just prospects, most of them fail" mantra. As if Hamels would've made one iota of difference. But I can damn well assure them all that this team without Bogaerts or Betts would be very different. While I agree with this statement in general, Swihart for Hamels would of most likely been a good trade looking at things now. Hamels has been good in the american league. Swihart hasn't been durable. If the Phillies wanted a lot more than that, then they were being ridiculous considering Swihart's value at the time.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 5, 2016 5:52:54 GMT -5
I moved a bunch of nonsense to the throwdown subforum. lol, there was worse nonsense ?
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Post by libertine on Jul 5, 2016 7:40:09 GMT -5
That's what kills me...the entire Boston media horde clamoring for a Betts/Bogaerts/Swihart+Espinoza etc deal for Cole Hamels, all based on the mindless "they're just prospects, most of them fail" mantra. As if Hamels would've made one iota of difference. But I can damn well assure them all that this team without Bogaerts or Betts would be very different. It always amazes me how the media can't see beyond anything but today. It's almost as if they don't really care about tomorrow or can't think beyond any difficult concepts. Then in turn it feeds the masses who call into WEEI (or other stations) to complain and have hosts that are more interested in their ratings than actually having a real conversation. So you get a bunch of whiners complaining about everything because they can't believe the perfection hasn't been attained every day. So yeah, let's trade away the farm system to fix all of our issues this year. Don't worry about the future. But then when it's the following season, it's the same cry and if they actually got what they wanted the year before, they can't figure out why there's nothing left at all in the system to trade with. And the media just continues to paint all prospects with the same broad stroke as if Donnie Sadlers of the world and Mookie Betts' of the world are one and the same. And so we get all of these dumb callers who delight in seeing who can complain the loudest but are so damn stupid - I mean Red Sox fans like to think of themselves as the most educated fans in the world, but man, do we have a lot of stupid fans, and I sometimes don't know who's dumber - the idiot on the line ranting and raving, or me for listening to it because I'm starved for baseball conversation in my car and can't find it anywhere else, so I give these guys ratings. I am so glad I am not in listening area of WEEI. It saves me a lot of money for replacement radios...
But I don't know who are worse, the clueless fans or the media types who believe they are experts since some low information radio callers agree with them.
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