steveofbradenton
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Post by steveofbradenton on Dec 27, 2012 16:19:30 GMT -5
Brian McPherson of the Providence Journal has a great article today about the GREAT advantage of getting ahead in the count. "The average major-leaguer last season hit .300 with a .467 on-base percentage and .507 slugging percentage when ahead in the count. When behind in the count, the average player hit .204 with a .211 on-base percentage and .303 slugging percentage."Here is complete article: blogs.providencejournal.com/sports/red-sox/2012/12/in-stephen-drew-red-sox-getting-a-hitter-who-controls-the-strike-zone.htmlLooking at the stats McPherson is siting, it is totally understandable why we were poor offensively and had a poor pitching staff. When you watch the Tampa Bay Rays, they seem to always throw a 1st pitch strike. They are always making sure they are in the driver's seat, and their success shows. It is amazing the importance of driving up the pitch count. The direction Cherington is attempting to go offensively is understandable, but it also translates to the other side.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 27, 2012 17:12:26 GMT -5
For reference, here's a custom leaderboard with first-strike percentage by team: www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=all&qual=0&type=c,112,122,62,45,16,36,37,38,39,40,41&season=2012&month=0&season1=2012&ind=0&team=0,ts&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=2,d Sox were middle-of the pack at 59.9%. Rays were 7th at 61%. Unsurprisingly, the pitching numbers tend to look better near the top of the leaderboard. And here's an individual leaderboard: www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=all&qual=40&type=c,112,13,122,62,45,16,36,37,38,39,40,41&season=2012&month=0&season1=2012&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=3,d (By the way, HOW GOOD IS CRAIG KIMBREL? HOLY CRAP.) Thing is, I'm always skeptical of the "advantage" of getting ahead in the count. It's a chicken-egg thing for me. Better pitchers throw more strikes as a rule and are thus throw more first-pitch strikes and are ahead in the count more often. It's not like the teams that are lower on that list aren't trying to throw a first-pitch strike.
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Post by dmaineah on Dec 27, 2012 17:12:27 GMT -5
The average major-leaguer last season hit .300 with a .467 on-base percentage and .507 slugging percentage when ahead in the count. Yet you still insist that Napoli is a great pick up even though he hit; 188 with a 3 ball count & 219 after being ahead in the count 3-1
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 27, 2012 18:40:10 GMT -5
Napoli had a .522 OBP with a 3-ball count, and a .500 OBP after a 3-1 count.
It's 2012, quoting batting average is sort of like talking about geocentrism.
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Post by honkbal on Dec 27, 2012 19:04:19 GMT -5
Seriously. Napoli had a three ball count in 125 plate appearances last year. He ended up on base after 69 of them.
In total, Napoli had 176 PA last year that ended with him ahead in the count. He hit .314/.528/.661 in those trips to the plate.
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