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Post by grandsalami on Jul 7, 2016 18:39:43 GMT -5
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Post by bosox on Jul 7, 2016 18:44:37 GMT -5
I like the move. Wilkerson's a good story and hope he does really well in the NL.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Jul 7, 2016 18:45:11 GMT -5
I saw a headline "Red Sox Acquire Hill for two minor leaguers," and I freaked out that it was Rich Hill for some two of the top 5 prospects, like Kopech/Devers.
This is much less dramatic. But better.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 7, 2016 18:48:20 GMT -5
I saw a headline "Red Sox Acquire Hill for two minor leaguers," and I freaked out that it was Rich Hill for some two of the top 5 prospects, like Kopech/Devers. This is much less dramatic. But better. Hank hill is my favorite hill
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 7, 2016 18:58:44 GMT -5
For those that can't see tweet
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Post by deepjohn on Jul 7, 2016 19:00:43 GMT -5
Aaron Hill looks too good against righties to platoon. 2016 vs L as R OPS: .725 wRC+: 97 2016 vs R as R OPS: .803 wRC+: 112
Travis Shaw was one of the players the Braves offered to take for Teheran. By implication (I don't know this), the Sox may have put Travis Shaw on the list of players that were available.
Hmm... coincidence? We'll see.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 7, 2016 19:05:02 GMT -5
Shaw trade bait with Moncada on the way up? Moncada hasn't played any 3b. Why do you think they're going to jump him two levels to play a position he has yet to play in the minors? They got Aaron Hill because they were looking for a platoon mate for Travis Shaw and somebody who can play 2b or 1b and be a RH bat off the bench if they need him to be. This explains why Wilkerson didn't get a start. I think the Sox thought if he got whacked around it would take away some of his attractiveness as a possible starter. I am puzzled as to why the Sox didn't think Wilkerson was a viable option, yet O'Sullivan is. I never really thought much of Wendell Rijo so as long as Wilkerson is never more than a 5th starter and the Red Sox can get a better performance out of whoever is acquired to be the 5th starter, then it's a good deal for the Sox. They get what they need. So that's one Hill (Aaron) down, and one more Hill (Rich) to go!
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 7, 2016 19:06:15 GMT -5
Aaron Hill looks too good against righties to platoon. 2016 vs L as R OPS: .725 wRC+: 97 2016 vs R as R OPS: .803 wRC+: 112 Travis Shaw was one of the players the Braves offered to take for Teheran. By implication (I don't know this), the Sox may have put Travis Shaw on the list of players that were available. Hmm... coincidence? We'll see. Why is it so hard to believe they're trying to beef up the bench? They haven't been shy about their need for a RH hitting backup IF who could play 3b. Farrell said as much.
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Post by radiohix on Jul 7, 2016 19:08:40 GMT -5
Selling high on an AAAA pitcher and a prospect with make up issues who stikes out way too much to get a solid player who plays multiple positions with a fraction of his salary? I like this trade a lot.
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Post by joshv02 on Jul 7, 2016 19:14:02 GMT -5
Pretty neutral splits for a guy who's presumably going to be a platoon player here (career 96 wRC+ vs R, 102 wRC+ vs L). still, There us no such thing as a left masher. Hiss platoon split is not markedly different than expected from RH 99ish wRC hitter .
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Post by DesignatedKyle on Jul 7, 2016 19:14:18 GMT -5
excellent move in my opinion and that spray chart is gorgeous.
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Post by trotfan on Jul 7, 2016 19:31:48 GMT -5
Shaw trade bait with Moncada on the way up? Shaws dinged up ...I think Benny is up before Moncada but I also expect Moncada may be headed to braves .
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 7, 2016 19:43:55 GMT -5
Why is it so hard to believe they're trying to beef up the bench? They haven't been shy about their need for a RH hitting backup IF who could play 3b. Farrell said as much. They are not winning a playoff series without upgrading the SP. Hill is a much better player than your average bench player and could easily become your regular 3B. Flexibility yes. To make another deal. Shaw and a lower level system arm with a good upside could be a starting point to land a legit upper rotation arm. Holt and a lower rated Prospect for a veteran arm. With any luck maybe an arm for HRam with Shaw moving to 1B I could see Shaw as being part of a deal - but I'd think that would be in the wintertime when the Sox could pencil Sandoval in until Moncada moves to 3b and is ready for the majors. My gut tells me that Shaw isn't going anywhere this season, though. As far as Ramirez goes, unless the Sox eat most of that contract, nobody is taking him in a deal for pitching.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Jul 7, 2016 19:45:49 GMT -5
The issue with Aaron Hill is that he has been tremendously up and down during his career, OPS'ing anywhere from the mid .600's (in a few years) to the high .800's.
His history says he could be a very valuable addition to the club -- or he could be little or nothing more than a replacement-level player. Just ask Forrest Gump.
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Post by jrffam05 on Jul 7, 2016 19:49:10 GMT -5
If Hanley is sitting, who plays third, shaw or hill? I ask because I don't know much about hills defense.
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Post by larrycook on Jul 7, 2016 20:10:41 GMT -5
This feels like the first of a couple of trades.
Let's hope trade #2 is for a starter.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 7, 2016 20:13:11 GMT -5
Good deal for both teams. Red Sox get major league reinforcements for two non-top-40 prospects. Brewers are in a position to see if Wilkerson is a minor-leaguer or if his smoke and mirrors at all will play, and also whether a change of scenery does Rijo some good. He's not crazy as a bounce-back candidate, the way Marco Hernandez has been for the Sox.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 7, 2016 20:19:00 GMT -5
I had Hill as a second choice to Danny Valencia as the Shaw platoon partner, but after seeing that spray chart, he's a first choice, since he's a better defender. Exactly the sort of trade they need to make.
Hey, and Josh Rutledge lost his job while hurt!
Now make one more for a rental or near-rental 4th / 5th starter (Tyler Chatwood, Andrew Cashner, Jeremy Hellickson). I'd wait until the deadline before adding a reliever; maybe Kelly is already that guy.
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Post by libertine on Jul 7, 2016 20:26:58 GMT -5
I like this trade. A low risk (in terms of what was given up), high reward kind of move. Definitely fills a need on the team.
Now we just need to make a trade for a middle, or backend, of the rotation starter who won't cost us any of our top prospects...
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jul 7, 2016 20:28:51 GMT -5
I'll give it a solid B, as far as small trades go. They needed to add a ML-caliber position player to ensure no more late-inning at bats by guys like Ryan LaMarre and Deven Marrero and they got someone who's an upgrade over Shaw against LHP and can play multiple positions.
If Swihart and Young come back, that will give them even more options. Since they'll probably be in a dogfight for a PS spot in September, it'll be good to have extra ML-caliber players on the bench with the expanded roster.
They filled one of their three needs - albeit the least dire one. Now get a back-end starter and take advantage of the buyer's market for relievers to add a late-inning arm. I think they can do those two things without touching any of the top four, maybe even five, prospects. (I'd like to avoid trading Kopech, if possible.)
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Post by mattpicard on Jul 7, 2016 20:29:07 GMT -5
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Post by trotfan on Jul 7, 2016 20:31:54 GMT -5
This feels like the first of a couple of trades. Let's hope trade #2 is for a starter. Larry would a Starter and Reliever be ok .?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 7, 2016 20:34:25 GMT -5
Travis Shaw and Owens maybe a low level prospect or two
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Rich Hill, Josh Reddick, and Sean Doolittle.
I'd do this tomorrow.
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Post by mattpicard on Jul 7, 2016 20:36:02 GMT -5
Travis Shaw and Owens maybe a low level prospect or two For Rich Hill, Josh Reddick, and Sean Doolittle. I'd do this tomorrow. So would I, and so wouldn't the A's.
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Post by coke0myfavdrink on Jul 7, 2016 20:42:18 GMT -5
Travis Shaw and Owens maybe a low level prospect or two For Rich Hill, Josh Reddick, and Sean Doolittle. I'd do this tomorrow. So would I, and so wouldn't the A's. But roughly what would that package or a similar package cost? Or Rich Hill, Coco Crisp Ryan Madison what would that cost?
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