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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 8, 2016 5:12:53 GMT -5
Baseball Prospectus has the first of the mid-Season rankings and the Sox have 4 players on their list (4 in the Top 24): Moncada (2) Benintendi (11) Devers (19) Espinoza (24) www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=29756&bc2. Yoan Moncada, 2B, Boston Red Sox Why He'll Succeed: An explosive power/speed combination that propels him to stardom despite a non-premium defensive position. Why He Might Fail: His shirts could become tighter and tighter until he earns Dan Uggla comparisons as a shirt-wearer and a baseball player. 11. Andrew Benintendi, OF, Boston Red Sox Why He’ll Succeed: The roaring start to Benintendi’s pro career is indicative of a player who has rapidly—and in some cases unexpectedly—grown into a hitter capable of maintaining a high average, getting on base, and slugging the ball. Why He Might Fail: Advanced arms figure out how to sequence against and manipulate an aggressive hitter who can’t counter with his own adjustment. 19. Rafael Devers, 3B, Boston Red Sox Why He'll Succeed: He maintains his lower half and defensive range enough to stick at the hot corner, where his plus hit and power tools make for a special profile. Why He Might Fail: He could gain weight in his lower half, forcing a shift to first base, where the power and hit tools aren’t quite as special. 24. Anderson Espinoza, RHP, Boston Red Sox Why He'll Succeed: Espinoza’s stuff is ridiculously advanced for his age/lack of experience, showing a plus-plus fastball and two plus secondary pitches while throwing strikes with all three. Why He Might Fail: Calling him slight of build is an understatement, and as good as the stuff is, you have to wonder if he’s going to be able to handle the rigors of a 180-200 inning workload. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 8, 2016 5:24:48 GMT -5
I'll grant that JP Crawford's a SS and is only 21 but I'm not so sure a .646 AAA OPS is worthy of the number 1 ranking.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Jul 8, 2016 6:30:40 GMT -5
I'm showing a little recency bias here since I just watched video of Kopech blowing away the Fisher Cats, but it will be amusing seeing Kopech rocket up these lists between midseason and the end of the year.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 8, 2016 6:38:15 GMT -5
I'm showing a little recency bias here since I just watched video of Kopech blowing away the Fisher Cats, but it will be amusing seeing Kopech rocket up these lists between midseason and the end of the year. Agreed except it wasn't the Fisher Cat's, they're Toronto's AA affiliate. It was the Mud Cats, Atlanta's high A affiliate. Minor detail for clarification. Personally, I think our big four just became the big five. |
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 8, 2016 7:09:23 GMT -5
I'll grant that JP Crawford's a SS and is only 21 but I'm not so sure a .646 AAA OPS is worthy of the number 1 ranking. Yeah, I'm inclined to agree. It'd be one thing if he played Lindor-level defense, but he's a notch below that. I think my top three right now are Bregman (who is better than I thought at this time last year), Urias, and Moncada in that order. I'm bullish on Brendan Rodgers as well. I don't know that anyone from the 2016 draft is in my Top 20 yet. What a weird draft. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 8, 2016 7:17:45 GMT -5
I'll grant that JP Crawford's a SS and is only 21 but I'm not so sure a .646 AAA OPS is worthy of the number 1 ranking. Yeah, I'm inclined to agree. It'd be one thing if he played Lindor-level defense, but he's a notch below that. I think my top three right now are Bregman (who is better than I thought at this time last year), Urias, and Moncada in that order. I'm bullish on Brendan Rodgers as well. I don't know that anyone from the 2016 draft is in my Top 20 yet. What a weird draft.
For reference, Urias wasn't eligible. Mid-Season lists exclude those on MLB rosters. nm, brain cramp. Agree, Bregman is tearing it up, much more so than expected. |
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 8, 2016 7:18:29 GMT -5
Urias was sent down Tuesday and is third on their list.  |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 8, 2016 7:22:52 GMT -5
Forgot that. I'd agree except I'd have Urias over Bregman. I think though that Moncada will be a bigger star than Bregman.
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Post by telson13 on Jul 8, 2016 9:04:07 GMT -5
I'm showing a little recency bias here since I just watched video of Kopech blowing away the Fisher Cats, but it will be amusing seeing Kopech rocket up these lists between midseason and the end of the year. Yeah, the reports of him hitting triples repeatedly is very exciting. He obviously stayed in shape during his time off. Which, if you wanted to look for it, would say something positive about his maturity. Completely unfair, but the velo reports and the mention of his 92 mph changeup (coupled with being a big dude from Texas) immediately had me thinking of Syndergaard. Which is exactly why I don't want them to trade him. Bet Toronto would like that move back. |
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Post by jdb on Jul 8, 2016 9:12:18 GMT -5
Anyone know where Betts and Xander came in on Laws top 25 under 25 that came out yesterday?
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Post by ibsmith85 on Jul 8, 2016 9:48:24 GMT -5
Anyone know where Betts and Xander came in on Laws top 25 under 25 that came out yesterday? Xander came in at 7th Mookie 11th KLaw Top 25 Under 25 |
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 8, 2016 10:10:06 GMT -5
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 8, 2016 10:30:12 GMT -5
That could very well be 5 top 50 guys, if they are all eligible, at the end of the year. Might even be close to 5 top 40 guys. Devers is certainly trending up lately and Kopech could rocket up if his last outing is any indication.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 8, 2016 11:17:40 GMT -5
That could very well be 5 top 50 guys, if they are all eligible, at the end of the year. Might even be close to 5 top 40 guys. Devers is certainly trending up lately and Kopech could rocket up if his last outing is any indication. Plus Groome. Of course the alternative is that Devers goes more sideways than forward, Espinoza gets hurt, Groome doesn't sign, and Kopech is a modern Bo Belinsky. |
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Post by eagleeye9184 on Jul 8, 2016 11:34:45 GMT -5
That could very well be 5 top 50 guys, if they are all eligible, at the end of the year. Might even be close to 5 top 40 guys. Devers is certainly trending up lately and Kopech could rocket up if his last outing is any indication. Plus Groome. Of course the alternative is that Devers goes more sideways than forward, Espinoza gets hurt, Groome doesn't sign, and Kopech is a modern Bo Belinsky. Mamie Van Doren is not walking through that door. And if she does, she's going to be really old. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 8, 2016 14:13:44 GMT -5
Margot 39
Guerra 87
Debatable who's falling faster, them or Kimbrel.
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Post by jmei on Jul 8, 2016 14:32:59 GMT -5
Guerra's value has dropped a ton (he's had a really bad year), but consensus is generally that Margot has stayed steady or improved his status. He's risen from 56 on BA's offseason list to 39 on BA's midseason list. On BP, he was 14 preseason and 16 midseason.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 8, 2016 15:08:47 GMT -5
Maybe we should go back and revisit the trade. /ducks
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 8, 2016 15:32:17 GMT -5
Guerra's value has dropped a ton (he's had a really bad year), but consensus is generally that Margot has stayed steady or improved his status. He's risen from 56 on BA's offseason list to 39 on BA's midseason list. On BP, he was 14 preseason and 16 midseason. A lot of people ahead of him have graduated or dropped out and staying steady isn't what you want at the AAA level. If he was still with the Sox, would you feel that way ? At the time of the trade, we (SP) had him ranked higher than Benintendi. Who's progressed more ? |
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 8, 2016 15:37:40 GMT -5
Guerra's value has dropped a ton (he's had a really bad year), but consensus is generally that Margot has stayed steady or improved his status. He's risen from 56 on BA's offseason list to 39 on BA's midseason list. On BP, he was 14 preseason and 16 midseason. A lot of people ahead of him have graduated or dropped out and staying steady isn't what you want at the AAA level. If he was still with the Sox, would you feel that way ? At the time of the trade, we (SP) had him ranked higher than Benintendi. Who's progressed more ? Margot has been just fine. Benintendi rose more this year because people were rightly cautious of how small the sample was as a professional last year. Plus, the fact that he was doing it two levels lower than Margot while being 2 months older. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 8, 2016 15:47:52 GMT -5
A lot of people ahead of him have graduated or dropped out and staying steady isn't what you want at the AAA level. If he was still with the Sox, would you feel that way ? At the time of the trade, we (SP) had him ranked higher than Benintendi. Who's progressed more ? Margot has been just fine. Benintendi rose more this year because people were rightly cautious of how small the sample was as a professional last year. Plus, the fact that he was doing it two levels lower than Margot while being 2 months older. Margot is doing fine in terms of his being a future MLB player but to me, his likely projection has gone from 1st division starting CFer to 2nd division starting CFer. His bat is not progressing as much as I would have anticipated. That's opinion and time will have to tell. ADD: I just looked (I looked a few weeks ago) and his numbers improved recently. Still not great but definite improvement including stolen bases. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 8, 2016 15:49:46 GMT -5
A lot of people ahead of him have graduated or dropped out and staying steady isn't what you want at the AAA level. If he was still with the Sox, would you feel that way ? At the time of the trade, we (SP) had him ranked higher than Benintendi. Who's progressed more ? Margot has been just fine. Benintendi rose more this year because people were rightly cautious of how small the sample was as a professional last year. Plus, the fact that he was doing it two levels lower than Margot while being 2 months older. Yeah, faulting a guy for not being Andrew Benintendi is pretty unfair. As far as prospect status goes, yes, I'm quite happy when a top 75 prospect maintains that status. Are you not? It's interesting that Margot's bandwagon was the one everyone was jumping off of at the time of the trade, while Guerra has turned out to be the one everyone should've been pointing to as perhaps a shade overrated. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 8, 2016 16:02:20 GMT -5
"At the time of the trade" I was still on the bandwagon. I expected a breakout year from him this year but that hasn't happened. I was also expecting Guerra to turn into a solid SS prospect but he's taken a step back. He's an excellent defender though and that isn't going anywhere.
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Post by jmei on Jul 8, 2016 16:02:24 GMT -5
Guerra's value has dropped a ton (he's had a really bad year), but consensus is generally that Margot has stayed steady or improved his status. He's risen from 56 on BA's offseason list to 39 on BA's midseason list. On BP, he was 14 preseason and 16 midseason. A lot of people ahead of him have graduated or dropped out and staying steady isn't what you want at the AAA level. If he was still with the Sox, would you feel that way ? At the time of the trade, we (SP) had him ranked higher than Benintendi. Who's progressed more ? Of the 55 prospects ahead of Margot on BA's preseason list, just 15 have graduated, so even taking that into account, Margot has kept steady. I honestly think his value now is substantially similar to his value during the offseason. Benintendi is clearly a better prospect at this point, but that's more about Benintendi's rise than Margot's fall. You could just as well compare Margot with Devers (both BA and BP now have Margot ahead of Devers in their midseason updates). |
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jul 8, 2016 16:03:45 GMT -5
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