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Post by sox fan in nc on Jul 12, 2016 12:41:21 GMT -5
Actually the biggest question will be whether Dombrowski's love of power arms will be enough to hold his trigger finger and ignore the pull of every (idiot) writer except Spier and the fans (and perhaps the front office) in their wake. Hopefully with DD's affection with power pitchers, he will hold onto Neo & Kopech (unless it's for a Sale/Fernandez). I know they are a ways away, it's just that these arms don't grow on tree's. I'd honestly move Devers before Kopech. They both can flourish or fail, & with everything being equal, I'd take the chance on the pitcher. We've got more power bats in the system than TOR possibilities.
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Post by tonyc on Jul 12, 2016 18:24:57 GMT -5
Believe it or not in this particular trade deadline I'd rather trade any of the big 5 other than Moncada than Kopech: Benintendi, and Devers have both established more trade value as of now so M.K. would be, I think, sold the lowest right now. And as much as I love Espinoza, he's not yet as advanced and his frame represents more longterm risk, although a posting today indicated he may be 6'!" 180, and if he grows to be say 6"2" 200 that looks better. I care a lot more about the next 5-10 years than this one and don't want any of them traded (and will either be pissed or breathe easier 8/1).
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 13, 2016 21:20:15 GMT -5
There are two things you look for in a potential ace:
1) The ability to dominate older hitters 2) Start-to-start consistency
Based on his start tonight, you may never again see the first of these checked off so thoroughly while the second remains so unknown. Would it surprise anyone if he walked 12 in his next 3 GS / 15 IP? Of course not; that's what young pitchers do. But going forward, the ratio of starts like tonight's to the inevitable starts where he has trouble with his mechanics and command will start to tell you how soon he might get to the big leagues ... as a starter.
I added that qualification because it's easy to imagine him as a K-Rod style September and post-season option next year. They'd only be starting his option clock a year early if they did that. It would be insanely rash to start the clock two years early based on just two months of data about his progress towards the show; starting it a year early after another year of assessment might well be reasonable.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 13, 2016 21:32:35 GMT -5
I thought Sept call-ups don't count against sevice time.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 13, 2016 21:41:24 GMT -5
So, like, when is he getting promoted already?
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 13, 2016 21:45:58 GMT -5
I thought Sept call-ups don't count against sevice time. I'm talking about the three option years he has, before you have to keep him in MLB even if he needs more work in the minors. Heath Hembree, for instance, is either on somebody's MLB roster next year, or has to pass through waivers to get back to AAA. Right now, Kopech has five years in the minors, after this one, before he faces that kind of dilemma the following spring. Putting him on this year's post-season roster will reduce that to three, while doing so next year will reduce it to four, including the one he just spent. Hopefully, by next September, the thought of him needing three more years to make it to the show (four years starting from now) will seem crazy. But right now, it doesn't seem crazy that it might take him five years to get to the point where he needs no further work in the minors. In that scenario, if he hits a rough patch in his age 25 season, you can send him down to the minors for a few weeks. I stress that we know nothing about his start-to-start consistency at present.
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Post by deepjohn on Jul 13, 2016 22:55:09 GMT -5
WHIP of 1.00, K-BB% of 35%. 65% strikes, estimated 50+% Zone%. Look out, jmei. I'm coming for your profile pic!!
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Post by Don Caballero on Jul 13, 2016 23:08:25 GMT -5
WHIP of 1.00, K-BB% of 35%. Look out, jmei. I'm coming for your profile pic!! You're going to have a tough time following up Zac Efron and Barry Bonds though.
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Post by deepjohn on Jul 13, 2016 23:12:58 GMT -5
WHIP of 1.00, K-BB% of 35%. Look out, jmei. I'm coming for your profile pic!! You're going to have a tough time following up Zac Efron and Barry Bonds though. I made need to crowd source it.
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Post by nmacny on Jul 13, 2016 23:48:10 GMT -5
I thought Sept call-ups don't count against sevice time. And just to expand on Eric's explanation - Sept call-ups DO accrue service time. If the Sox wanted to employ Kopech in the "K-Rod role" next September, couldn't they add him to the 40 when they call him up to the expanded roster and NOT burn an option? EDIT - Nevermind, I re-read Eric's post and that's exactly what he's explaining. My bad!
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Post by telson13 on Jul 14, 2016 0:20:11 GMT -5
Odds on Kopech making AA Portland during the regular season?
I say 1:1, getting 2-3 starts in...so after 5 or so more in Salem.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 14, 2016 0:45:12 GMT -5
I'm guessing he will be promoted to Portland as soon as he is stretched out, assuming continued success of course.
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Post by nomar on Jul 14, 2016 8:15:56 GMT -5
Not only does he need to be stretched out, but I would like to see him keep limiting walks for a bit.
He seems like he has a decent chance of being the next Glasnow of the minors. I'd prefer him to keep a lower BB% than Glasnow, if possible though. I think Glasnow has amazing stuff, but other than Salazar this year and Liriano in 2014, nobody has been a top 25 pitcher with a 4+ BB/9. In my eyes, that makes Glasnow the most likely top 10 prospect flop in recent years. Glasnow is going to be frustrating, flashing between dominance and games where he loses the zone completely.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 14, 2016 8:23:10 GMT -5
BA's prospect report: Michael Kopech, rhp, Red Sox. After missing two months with a broken hand—which was the result of an altercation with a teammate—Kopech is trying to salvage his season. Wednesday’s outing helped. The hard-throwing righty struck out eight and allowed just four hits in five scoreless innings as high Class A Salem fell to Wilmington (Royals) 6-5. Kopech touched 100 mph Wednesday. He also throws a power breaking ball which is inconsistent and a developing changeup. Read more at www.baseballamerica.com/minors/baseball-america-prospect-report-july-14/#Vs3sevOFGmhBPJJ5.99
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 14, 2016 10:34:07 GMT -5
Did I hear correctly that Kopech hit 105 MPH the other night??? now I know some guns can be off so I'm thinking it was less than that but how much are they typically or can they be off by?
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Post by humanbeingbean on Jul 14, 2016 10:39:15 GMT -5
If Kopech can actually touch 105 then I'll do everything that would involve him using his right arm/hand for him so he never expends any effort on anything besides pitching/working out.
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Post by nomar on Jul 14, 2016 10:47:53 GMT -5
Did I hear correctly that Kopech hit 105 MPH the other night??? now I know some guns can be off so I'm thinking it was less than that but how much are they typically or can they be off by? Who said that? That's close to impossible I would think.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 14, 2016 10:49:55 GMT -5
Did I hear correctly that Kopech hit 105 MPH the other night??? now I know some guns can be off so I'm thinking it was less than that but how much are they typically or can they be off by? Who said that? That's close to impossible I would think.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 14, 2016 10:50:00 GMT -5
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Post by radiohix on Jul 14, 2016 10:50:34 GMT -5
Multiple radar guns!!!
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 14, 2016 11:05:35 GMT -5
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Post by RedSoxStats on Jul 14, 2016 11:08:32 GMT -5
3 more starts before the trade deadline, hopefully he hits 110.
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Post by nomar on Jul 14, 2016 11:14:30 GMT -5
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Post by sox fan in nc on Jul 14, 2016 11:14:39 GMT -5
I'm guessing he will be promoted to Portland as soon as he is stretched out, assuming continued success of course. Portland, then AFL? That's if he's not in Boston in October.
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Post by malynn19 on Jul 14, 2016 11:17:40 GMT -5
I am waiting for someone to come on here and say I emailed all those guys using the radar guns and they all told me it was more like 99 mph.
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