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Post by sierram363 on Jul 14, 2016 17:28:51 GMT -5
I wonder what we could get for Wright? Not that I would consider trading him at this point. Just curious.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 14, 2016 17:29:51 GMT -5
Praying we win the WS in the next couple of years, Pomeranz becomes an ace, and Espinoza busts, because this looks painful now. Not very gracious, there. I'd prefer that we not wish ill will on 18 year olds.
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Post by bsout2 on Jul 14, 2016 17:30:01 GMT -5
The trade is tough to swallow but the Red Sox need pitching now. If Pomeranz can pitch at a 2 or 3 level for the next 2.5 years that would be a huge addition. Trade does not happen without Groome signing. Red Sox are a big market team and they have to skate a fine line between competing now and in the future.
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Post by burythehammer on Jul 14, 2016 17:30:18 GMT -5
Can't wait for 4-5 years from now when Espinoza is an ace and we're all trying to figure out ways to trade for him a la Fernandz.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 14, 2016 17:30:20 GMT -5
Added: So I guess when Dombrowski said today no one is untouchable he was telling the truth once again.
Ugh.
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Post by jmei on Jul 14, 2016 17:30:51 GMT -5
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Post by radiohix on Jul 14, 2016 17:31:37 GMT -5
DDo is like a rich kid that inherited all this wealth built over the years from his father and grandfather with a vision for something great for the future, and he spends it all in a luxury car in one day. Exactly this! He reminds of a cousin of mine who inherited a big real estate buisness and now lives in a dumpster.
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Post by theghostofjoecronin on Jul 14, 2016 17:32:06 GMT -5
Smarter how? It still puts us in the same situation next year, and Pomeranz is much better than any rental we could acquire anyways. Smarter because we would have still had Espinoza. Some of us can think beyond next week. What does having Espinoza solve through 2018? Nothing. The core is in place for this team to win a couple World Series over the next few years. Trading for a breakout star like Pomeranz helps those chances tremendously. If he pitches like he has this year over the length of the contract then we can extend him or make him a QO and get a draft pick in return...and that is besides giving us a talented arm who can help carry us in he playoffs. I like Porcello, but he's not a guy I would be very confident in pitching in a series deciding playoff game.
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Post by sierram363 on Jul 14, 2016 17:32:15 GMT -5
Praying we win the WS in the next couple of years, Pomeranz becomes an ace, and Espinoza busts, because this looks painful now. Not very gracious, there. I'd prefer that we not wish ill will on 18 year olds. I hope Espinoza is only league average then and Dembroski sold high.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 14, 2016 17:33:08 GMT -5
Also. I love Espinoza. But he is only 18 and is far away from the majors. There is no guarantees with him. (See Casey Kelly as a prospect and how that turned out)
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Post by taftreign on Jul 14, 2016 17:33:27 GMT -5
Have a feeling this came down to DD needing to beat whatever a team like Texas was offering so he went to his best. Just a shame to see Espinoza leaving. I'm honestly still a bit shocked this could happen. Really crushing.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jul 14, 2016 17:33:37 GMT -5
That's why smart teams will develop their own from now on, like we could have done with Espinoza. I'm guessing they wouldn't have made this trade if they didn't get Groome. So in essence groom replaces espionsa. Yeah, because you never need extra pitchers. Just ask the Mets. Seriously, anyone who makes the "it's ok to trade this prospect for a bunch of garbage because there are other prospects in the system" argument, please just show yourself the door. It's a garbage argument.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 14, 2016 17:33:43 GMT -5
Smarter because we would have still had Espinoza. Some of us can think beyond next week. What does having Espinoza solve through 2018? Nothing. The core is in place for this team to win a couple World Series over the next few years. Trading for a breakout star like Pomeranz helps those chances tremendously. If he pitches like he has this year over the length of the contract then we can extend him or make him a QO and get a draft pick in return...and that is besides giving us a talented arm who can help carry us in he playoffs. I like Porcello, but he's not a guy I would be very confident in pitching in a series deciding playoff game. Espinoza will be in the majors before 2018.
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Post by theghostofjoecronin on Jul 14, 2016 17:33:43 GMT -5
Smarter how? It still puts us in the same situation next year, and Pomeranz is much better than any rental we could acquire anyways. Because they could've signed a number four starter in free agency. If only there were any decent #4 starters going into free agency. Only problem is that they are all #5's and 6's.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 14, 2016 17:33:47 GMT -5
Good news is I think this makes the Sox the favorites to win the division even 2GB, maybe they'll even add another reliever.
Playoffs definitely.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Jul 14, 2016 17:34:18 GMT -5
So we give up a potential #1 plus in Espinoza for a #4 and chance at the playoffs? Dombroski and Wren are likely not down with trading and the next trade will likely hurt more.
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Post by sammo420 on Jul 14, 2016 17:34:21 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of the trade, but all the over the top hate of it is making really want to pull for Pomeranz to do well to silence some of the critics. Can one of you history/stat/reference junkies give me a list of names of players who were in Espinoza's position at or around age 18 and never made it to Pomeranz's level? This board is gonna be unbearable for a while.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 14, 2016 17:35:29 GMT -5
I have a feeling DDo is thinking he just traded for the next Arrieta just a little bit before people realize he's for real.
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Post by mgoetze on Jul 14, 2016 17:35:32 GMT -5
I guess I need to rethink my evaluation of AJ Preller. He traded two guys who have since combined for -0.4 WAR for Pomeranz this winter and turned them into Anderson Espinoza. That's quite an accomplishment.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Jul 14, 2016 17:35:39 GMT -5
Tazawa just went on DL so expect Devers plus for someone like Vizcanio soon.
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Post by theghostofjoecronin on Jul 14, 2016 17:36:09 GMT -5
What does having Espinoza solve through 2018? Nothing. The core is in place for this team to win a couple World Series over the next few years. Trading for a breakout star like Pomeranz helps those chances tremendously. If he pitches like he has this year over the length of the contract then we can extend him or make him a QO and get a draft pick in return...and that is besides giving us a talented arm who can help carry us in he playoffs. I like Porcello, but he's not a guy I would be very confident in pitching in a series deciding playoff game. Espinoza will be in the majors before 2018. No he won't. 100% no. No way he's ready next year. Especially not the way the Red Sox move pitchers through the system.
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Post by burythehammer on Jul 14, 2016 17:36:25 GMT -5
Can't wait to hear all the people who've never seen Drew Pomeranz pitch talk about how "you always take the sure thing over the prospect!"
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 14, 2016 17:36:37 GMT -5
“@jeffpassan: Already heard from two front-office types saying they dig deal for Boston. Pomeranz is a cheap, under-control, potential difference maker.”
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Post by GyIantosca on Jul 14, 2016 17:37:15 GMT -5
I have to think they really like what they see from Kopech. San Diego doesn't need to draft they just pick thru our guys. Next year they will get a 12 million bonus for drafts because they gonna keep tanking. The Theo Epstein model from Chicago Cubs fame.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 14, 2016 17:37:53 GMT -5
I have my pitch fork.....where are we all meeting.
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