Post by grandsalami on Apr 6, 2017 18:13:43 GMT -5
“@samdykstramilb: #Padres No. 2 prospect Anderson Espinoza will start the season on the DL due to forearm tightness. Was meant to start with @storm_Baseball.”
90% of Sox fans right now if the Sox had not made the trade, "We all know this means Dr. Andrews. Oh my god. Why didn't they sell high on this guy. Dumb-browski is a fool."
Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 17, 2017 8:40:15 GMT -5
Neo Pomeranz
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90% of Sox fans right now if the Sox had not made the trade, "We all know this means Dr. Andrews. Oh my god. Why didn't they sell high on this guy. Dumb-browski is a fool."
Honest question. Do people still worry about the long term effects on guys who get TJ surgery? Haven't we all seen it enough times now to know that pitchers are essentially who they are beforehand? Sure, there are disaster cases here and there - Kyle Sleeth never came back. But those aren't any more common than pitchers who don't have TJ surgery and something else goes totally wrong with them. If Espinoza got TJ surgery tomorrow my feelings on him as a prospect wouldn't change.
90% of Sox fans right now if the Sox had not made the trade, "We all know this means Dr. Andrews. Oh my god. Why didn't they sell high on this guy. Dumb-browski is a fool."
Honest question. Do people still worry about the long term effects on guys who get TJ surgery? Haven't we all seen it enough times now to know that pitchers are essentially who they are beforehand? Sure, there are disaster cases here and there - Kyle Sleeth never came back. But those aren't any more common than pitchers who don't have TJ surgery and something else goes totally wrong with them. If Espinoza got TJ surgery tomorrow my feelings on him as a prospect wouldn't change.
A lot of people worry about it. See numerous comments as well as media reports on Price and Pomeranz. I agree that long term there shouldn't be much worry, but it's a lost year for the player and the team the player is signed with. Of course Espinoza is likely three or four years away from the big leagues so it's not the same thing as with Price and Pomeranz.
90% of Sox fans right now if the Sox had not made the trade, "We all know this means Dr. Andrews. Oh my god. Why didn't they sell high on this guy. Dumb-browski is a fool."
Honest question. Do people still worry about the long term effects on guys who get TJ surgery? Haven't we all seen it enough times now to know that pitchers are essentially who they are beforehand? Sure, there are disaster cases here and there - Kyle Sleeth never came back. But those aren't any more common than pitchers who don't have TJ surgery and something else goes totally wrong with them. If Espinoza got TJ surgery tomorrow my feelings on him as a prospect wouldn't change.
I worry for three reasons: first, there are still pitchers who don't come back. That's the least concern. Second, pitchers seem to be reinjuring more than ever, and one of the concerns with AE is his size. Can his body and arm handle the strain? This might be a bad sign. Third, it could be a year and a half of develpment lost. One of the things that makes AE such a stud prospect is how advanced he is. Skip forward a year, year and a half, with no development in between, and he is no longer so age advanced.
It could be a mere blip, but for me, a central reason I was not mad about trading AE was that pitchers get hurt and little hard throwers get hurt more.
Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth — Professor Mike Tyson
And... all else aside, I really hope AE is ok and has a great career. Sounds like this is not structural, so that is good.
According to Preller it's not structural. So who knows, really.
That could mean he's on the trading block.
Proud survivor of a hole in the ozone layer, an ice age, a complete polar cap meltdown, a worldwide millennium computer shutdown, and multiple; solar storms, Mayan calendar dates, Nostradamus quatrains and Apocalypses.
Honest question. Do people still worry about the long term effects on guys who get TJ surgery? Haven't we all seen it enough times now to know that pitchers are essentially who they are beforehand? Sure, there are disaster cases here and there - Kyle Sleeth never came back. But those aren't any more common than pitchers who don't have TJ surgery and something else goes totally wrong with them. If Espinoza got TJ surgery tomorrow my feelings on him as a prospect wouldn't change.
I worry for three reasons: first, there are still pitchers who don't come back. That's the least concern. Second, pitchers seem to be reinjuring more than ever, and one of the concerns with AE is his size. Can his body and arm handle the strain? This might be a bad sign. Third, it could be a year and a half of develpment lost. One of the things that makes AE such a stud prospect is how advanced he is. Skip forward a year, year and a half, with no development in between, and he is no longer so age advanced.
It could be a mere blip, but for me, a central reason I was not mad about trading AE was that pitchers get hurt and little hard throwers get hurt more.
Absolutely....
Just with the Red Sox, Matsuzaka did not come back and Workman is several years removed from TJ throwing high 80s to very low 90s when he used to be mid 90s and a then viable relief arm. We'll see with Carson Smith and hope that we don't lose Thornburg to TJ. Smith is a year removed and has had several "setbacks"......I hope he comes back as strong with good command (always an issue) and is available in August/September...but even with a successful surgery there are numerous cases where it takes several years to make it back...Wieters and Vazquez come to mind as non-pitchers.
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If Espinoza was still with the Sox and had the year he had last year, and now the injury, 98% of the people on this page would be freaking out. I know I would be. Meanwhile (knock on wood) Pomeranz has been looking very good, and better and better.
Honest question. Do people still worry about the long term effects on guys who get TJ surgery? Haven't we all seen it enough times now to know that pitchers are essentially who they are beforehand? Sure, there are disaster cases here and there - Kyle Sleeth never came back. But those aren't any more common than pitchers who don't have TJ surgery and something else goes totally wrong with them. If Espinoza got TJ surgery tomorrow my feelings on him as a prospect wouldn't change.
There's always a worry, of course. Sometimes it's just the annoyance of a year lost, and sometimes it's the small risk of never recovering to previous levels.
The concern that I always have is with repeated TJ surgeries; there seems to be less success after a second TJ. Amongst MLB players who have had a second TJ, the average time played between surgeries is 4.35 years with a standard deviation of 3.14 years. Obviously the number of people who have actually undergone a second surgery is small compared with the total number of players who have received them. It would be interesting to calculate the odds of getting a second TJ.
If Espinoza was still with the Sox and had the year he had last year, and now the injury, 98% of the people on this page would be freaking out. I know I would be. Meanwhile (knock on wood) Pomeranz has been looking very good, and better and better.
He struck out 100 in 108.1 IP while walking 35 and otherwise held his own as the youngest player in Low A. He was still a consensus top 25 prospect in baseball (FG, BA, BP, Sickels, Law, MLB had him ranked between 10 and 25), and he was ranked 20th on the consensus list here www.fangraphs.com/blogs/comparing-and-contrasting-this-years-prospect-rankings/. I respectfully beg to differ on the "year he had last year" point.
"We really don't need the whole commercial break/warm-up routine every time a new reliever comes into the game. It certainly made sense in 1884 when they only switched pitchers when the starter was attacked by pickaxe or caught consumption, and no reliever was warming up because he was busy gambling and drinking." - JD
I still think I'm going to wake up and say "I shouldn't listen to the podcast before bed, I dreamed the Sox signed a guy from Curaçao named Charlie Zink." - KOC
Post by Chris Hatfield on May 2, 2017 13:33:11 GMT -5
The inverted W thing has been debunked, I believe.
"We really don't need the whole commercial break/warm-up routine every time a new reliever comes into the game. It certainly made sense in 1884 when they only switched pitchers when the starter was attacked by pickaxe or caught consumption, and no reliever was warming up because he was busy gambling and drinking." - JD
I still think I'm going to wake up and say "I shouldn't listen to the podcast before bed, I dreamed the Sox signed a guy from Curaçao named Charlie Zink." - KOC
If Espinoza was still with the Sox and had the year he had last year, and now the injury, 98% of the people on this page would be freaking out. I know I would be. Meanwhile (knock on wood) Pomeranz has been looking very good, and better and better.
He struck out 100 in 108.1 IP while walking 35 and otherwise held his own as the youngest player in Low A. He was still a consensus top 25 prospect in baseball (FG, BA, BP, Sickels, Law, MLB had him ranked between 10 and 25), and he was ranked 20th on the consensus list here www.fangraphs.com/blogs/comparing-and-contrasting-this-years-prospect-rankings/. I respectfully beg to differ on the "year he had last year" point.
Those are good points, but I would say you are not the typical Sox fan. Given the glowing reports prior to the trade (he's the next Pedro kind of thing) I feel confident that the 98% would have been agonizing that Espinoza was the next Trey Ball.
I'll mention that Temple did express concern with the motion. I was on the fence about it, though he did have some of the inverted W in his delivery.
Maybe that's at the root of this, maybe not. With the talent he has, I hope it's not serious. The stuff looked so good I would wish him some success.
He seems young to be having a building history of arm problems. This dates to a stress fracture in his pitching elbow back when he was signed. It's elbow, forearm (i.e. probably elbow), elbow.
Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 14, 2017 14:49:41 GMT -5
So Pomeranz had a Biceps tightness in spring training and now triceps tightness today and his velocity has considerably dropped from his first start of the season.
This is the Sox disguising the fact that the ligament is compromised. There's just no doubt about it now.
So Pomeranz had a Biceps tightness in spring training and now triceps tightness today and his velocity has considerably dropped from his first start of the season.
This is the Sox disguising the fact that the ligament is compromised. There's just no doubt about it now.
Pomeranz has had a team disguise the fact that he was hurt before. But it wasn't the Sox.
So Pomeranz had a Biceps tightness in spring training and now triceps tightness today and his velocity has considerably dropped from his first start of the season.
This is the Sox disguising the fact that the ligament is compromised. There's just no doubt about it now.
Pomeranz has had a team disguise the fact that he was hurt before. But it wasn't the Sox.
Yeah Preller, f-ing Preller. Dude should be run out of baseball.