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Post by nomar on Jul 25, 2016 21:42:14 GMT -5
Pomeranz gets the loss still? Shouldn't Kelly?
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Post by bigpupp on Jul 25, 2016 21:43:26 GMT -5
Why did JF pinch hit for Shaw? And why Brentz over Hill? I'm guessing Hill wasn't available tonight. We'll know soon enough I guess.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 25, 2016 21:44:02 GMT -5
Aggravating. The Red Sox should be in first place. They are underachieving. They are already 4 games under their pythagorean projection.
Meanwhile the Orioles just find ways to win despite their rotation being even worse than the Red Sox and their offense not being as good.
The Sox should finish in first but I'm starting to get the gnawing feeling that that's not going to happen.
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Post by larrycook on Jul 25, 2016 21:50:15 GMT -5
On the other hand I thought our San Diego import threw the ball well tonight. Showed good command.
Kelly and Buchholz meanwhile just can not execute. Very sad!
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Post by bosox on Jul 25, 2016 21:52:26 GMT -5
Aggravating. The Red Sox should be in first place. They are underachieving. They are already 4 games under their pythagorean projection. Meanwhile the Orioles just find ways to win despite their rotation being even worse than the Red Sox and their offense not being as good. The Sox should finish in first but I'm starting to get the gnawing feeling that that's not going to happen. That's the key. Even though the pitching isn't good, the O's find ways to win. Not taking advantage of bases loaded no outs late in games doesn't work.
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Post by Alonzo on Jul 25, 2016 21:52:36 GMT -5
Baltimore reminds me of their version of 2013 when they couldn't do no wrong in close games. Maybe that's an aspect of what a manager can have influence on. Or maybe it's just aberration on a year to year basis.
Matter of fact is: they win the games they are supposed to do and we don't, simple as that.
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Post by mattpicard on Jul 25, 2016 21:54:16 GMT -5
Why did JF pinch hit for Shaw? And why Brentz over Hill? I'm guessing Hill wasn't available tonight. We'll know soon enough I guess. Evan Drellich evandrellich 2m2 minutes ago Boston, MA Farrell said Hill was available. I know this has been beaten to death and then some, but man, I long for the day John Farrell is no longer managing this team.
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Post by DesignatedKyle on Jul 25, 2016 21:54:23 GMT -5
Evan Drellich evandrellich 3m3 minutes ago Boston, MA Farrell said Hill was available. ..........fuming doesn't even begin to describe me right now
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Post by bosox on Jul 25, 2016 21:57:23 GMT -5
I'm guessing Hill wasn't available tonight. We'll know soon enough I guess. Evan Drellich evandrellich 2m2 minutes ago Boston, MA Farrell said Hill was available. I know this has been beaten to death and then some, but man, I long for the day John Farrell is no longer managing this team. It doesn't make any sense to use Brentz over Hill against a lefty.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 25, 2016 22:04:55 GMT -5
Evan Drellich evandrellich 2m2 minutes ago Boston, MA Farrell said Hill was available. Jesus. I wish he'd just lied and made up some reason why he wasn't.
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Post by bluechip on Jul 25, 2016 22:05:48 GMT -5
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Post by Coreno on Jul 25, 2016 22:06:48 GMT -5
Pomeranz gets the loss still? Shouldn't Kelly? We were down 2-1 when Pomeranz left the game...?
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 25, 2016 22:12:49 GMT -5
The O's are pests
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 25, 2016 22:16:06 GMT -5
The o's are due for a reversal
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Post by bigpupp on Jul 25, 2016 22:17:24 GMT -5
I'm guessing Hill wasn't available tonight. We'll know soon enough I guess. Evan Drellich evandrellich 2m2 minutes ago Boston, MA Farrell said Hill was available. I know this has been beaten to death and then some, but man, I long for the day John Farrell is no longer managing this team. Yeah, I got nothing.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 25, 2016 22:18:48 GMT -5
The o's are due for a reversal I thought the same thing about the Rays in 2008. Figured sooner or later the more talented and seasoned Red Sox would overtake them. Never happened.
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Post by bosox on Jul 25, 2016 22:23:03 GMT -5
The o's are due for a reversal I've been thinking that for a while - they just keep finding ways to win. Tonight, a walk-off comebacker to the mound dropped by the pitcher and then dropped by the catcher on the throw home. It could be their year.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 25, 2016 22:31:05 GMT -5
The o's are due for a reversal I thought the same thing about the Rays in 2008. Figured sooner or later the more talented and seasoned Red Sox would overtake them. Never happened. I mean seriously. The O's pitching is worse than ours and they keep getting the breaks.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 25, 2016 22:49:22 GMT -5
I thought the same thing about the Rays in 2008. Figured sooner or later the more talented and seasoned Red Sox would overtake them. Never happened. I mean seriously. The O's pitching is worse than ours and they keep getting the breaks. Their bullpen is better and their manager is better (and he's better at manipulating his bullpen than our manager is), so they do better at winning the close games. The Red Sox can score at will on some days and then when they desperately need a run they come up short, yet their numbers look fantastic. The Sox SHOULD finish first. They are a better team than the O's. I think the Jays are better than the O's, too, and I think they'll finally have the hot streak that propels them into first place. I think the Sox will wind up facing the Orioles in the wild card game and that won't go well.
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Post by bannedfromsosh on Jul 25, 2016 23:08:55 GMT -5
Not a bad start from Pomeranz....wouldn't expect anyone to notice here though.....he's not a teenager, so why be excited about a quality start!
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Post by fenwayfaithful on Jul 26, 2016 2:24:13 GMT -5
DPo killed it. One bad pitch and he's getting no love. If Mookie wasn't rusty and brock wasn't a role player playing everyday we would of won this game.
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Post by mgoetze on Jul 26, 2016 4:56:08 GMT -5
Why is Farrell not arguing or being ejected? Show some pride bruh defend your team against this idiot behind the plate Because presumably we get the same umpiring crew again today and tomorrow? I don't see how pissing them off is supposed to help.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 26, 2016 6:07:16 GMT -5
Not a bad start from Pomeranz....wouldn't expect anyone to notice here though.....he's not a teenager, so why be excited about a quality start! It was noticed. It was a strong start. He pitched great yet lasted only 6 innings because he throws a lot of pitches per batter. Even Farrell admitted that Pomeranz at best is only a six inning pitcher. To me that's disconcerting because if the guy's at his best, you still need to use the pen for 3 innings, and if he's not, you really have to use that pen. If the Sox didn't give up one of the best pitching prospects in the game for that, I wouldn't be as concerned about it. I guess I'll have to look at it this way. His six innings he threw were better than the four innings they would have gotten from Buchholz or Kelly had they started. If Espinoza doesn't really develop into anything, that's fine. If he does develop into a top of the rotation type starter, it'll be small consolation by then. A six inning quality start by an 18 year old on the way up is more exciting to me than a six inning quality start by a guy who's almost at his max point (I certainly hope the Red Sox are correct and Pomeranz isn't at his max point!).
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Post by sibbysisti on Jul 26, 2016 9:03:56 GMT -5
I'm guessing Hill wasn't available tonight. We'll know soon enough I guess. Evan Drellich evandrellich 2m2 minutes ago Boston, MA Farrell said Hill was available. I know this has been beaten to death and then some, but man, I long for the day John Farrell is no longer managing this team. Drill ich had a longer explanation for John's reluctance to use Hill in the late game situations. www.bostonherald.com/sports/red_sox/2016/07/drellich_john_farrell_plays_percentages_in_decisive_eighthLet's face it, we're all second guessers here. Agree with it or not, Farrell has a plausible explanation for his decisions.
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Post by mattpicard on Jul 26, 2016 9:07:29 GMT -5
It's plausible in that it makes sense that John Farrell was manipulated by some SSS BS that made him think Bryce Brentz is "hot" and should be hitting over Hill because Hill hasn't hit in a few games.
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