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Post by thursty on Jul 26, 2016 19:52:18 GMT -5
ERod + Benny + Haley + Darwinzon? Not necessarily these guys, but I mean the couple other pieces being a AAAA kind of pitcher NOT KEITH COUCH and a lower minors long shot of sorts, I mean. If DD has that in line IMO he should take it. Yeah and right after that we'll trade Devers and Swihart for Mike Trout. Well, what do you think BTH? Will at least one of the remaining big 3 be gone? You've been predicting it from the beginning and you obviously know your man
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Post by templeusox on Jul 26, 2016 19:52:25 GMT -5
I mean... Farrell just lost this game by misunderstanding very, very simple fundamental rules of pitching. How do you not have a short leash for 1) a pitcher that hasn't been good tonight and 2) hasn't been good for a month.
Terrible performance by the manager. 5 is not a magic number. There is no shame in not letting a pitcher get a win. This happens over and over again.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 26, 2016 19:52:46 GMT -5
3rd time through the lineup. Literally happens every night. A pitcher should not be exposed to a lineup more than twice. Numbers back this up. Bad managing begets bad results. Are you f'ing kidding me? They would have the bullpen throw more innings than the starters if they held to that standard. They aren't in the position to do that, nor is any team.
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Post by DesignatedKyle on Jul 26, 2016 19:53:51 GMT -5
BABIP is being a female dog tonight
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 26, 2016 19:54:16 GMT -5
Yet another shitty ground ball single. /sigh
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Post by bosox81 on Jul 26, 2016 19:54:33 GMT -5
Wright has been very very bad .
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Post by templeusox on Jul 26, 2016 19:54:47 GMT -5
As bad a non-move as Farrell has made all year. You can completely blame the manager on this one. Why would you ever leave Wright in after the two walks? We're talking about severe incompetence here.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 26, 2016 19:55:09 GMT -5
The Red Sox pitching staff, ladies and gentlemen. Unsafe at any lead.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jul 26, 2016 19:55:47 GMT -5
Yes, a game by your #1 pitcher all year is completely on the manager because the guy didn't have it tonight and/or was just unlucky. Sure.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jul 26, 2016 19:57:38 GMT -5
As bad a non-move as Farrell has made all year. You can completely blame the manager on this one. Why would you ever leave Wright in after the two walks? We're talking about severe incompetence here. Because Wright has been the best pitcher in the staff all year, his pitch count was low and the bullpen flat out isn't good right now.
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Post by bigpupp on Jul 26, 2016 20:00:58 GMT -5
3rd time through the lineup. Literally happens every night. A pitcher should not be exposed to a lineup more than twice. Numbers back this up. Bad managing begets bad results. This was a bad idea the first time you suggested it. It still isn't good.
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Post by thursty on Jul 26, 2016 20:01:42 GMT -5
Oh, and have I mentioned what a privilege it is to watch Mookie play? Not even end of July and he has 52 XBH - that's on a pace for ~ 80 on the year. Just wait until he figures it out.
If the Luddite even considers for a moment . . .
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Post by templeusox on Jul 26, 2016 20:01:45 GMT -5
As bad a non-move as Farrell has made all year. You can completely blame the manager on this one. Why would you ever leave Wright in after the two walks? We're talking about severe incompetence here. Because Wright has been the best pitcher in the staff all year, his pitch count was low and the bullpen flat out isn't good right now. Whatever man. That's fine. There are good managers in baseball who have a feel and take him out because they understand there are more important things in baseball than getting the pitcher the all-important "Win." Sorry, but a manager has to be aggressive. These wins and losses matter. Knuckleballers fall apart without a moment's notice. Farrell has to be aggressive there. Especially after an inning when the Red Sox take the lead.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 26, 2016 20:03:27 GMT -5
Because Wright has been the best pitcher in the staff all year, his pitch count was low and the bullpen flat out isn't good right now. Whatever man. That's fine. There are good managers in baseball who have a feel and take him out because they understand there are more important things in baseball than getting the pitcher the all-important "Win." Sorry, but a manager has to be aggressive. These wins and losses matter. Knuckleballers fall apart without a moment's notice. Farrell has to be aggressive there. Especially after an inning when the Red Sox take the lead. The important things in baseball, like knowing when there have been about 6 ground balls that have been hit softly between two infielders... *said as one who wanted Farrell fired early in 2014.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 26, 2016 20:04:43 GMT -5
Yes, a game by your #1 pitcher all year is completely on the manager because the guy didn't have it tonight and/or was just unlucky. Sure. He's been having trouble for a few starts now. Some may be bad luck, some may just be natural regression, or knuckleball or not, the mounting innings may be representing an increasing physical challenge. Who knows, but there's a bit of a falling off occurring, as Speier (and others) noted.
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Post by templeusox on Jul 26, 2016 20:05:34 GMT -5
3rd time through the lineup. Literally happens every night. A pitcher should not be exposed to a lineup more than twice. Numbers back this up. Bad managing begets bad results. This was a bad idea the first time you suggested it. It still isn't good. It's the way baseball is going whether you like it or not. Reliever inning % literally goes up every year. You don't have to like it, but evolution doesn't play favorites. It's a simple fact that relievers are more effective than starters. Starters have the advantage of being able to eat up the large amount of innings in a MLB season, but that's off-set by the fact they are simply ineffective against hitters the third time around. Numbers don't lie.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 26, 2016 20:07:44 GMT -5
This was a bad idea the first time you suggested it. It still isn't good. It's the way baseball is going whether you like it or not. Reliever inning % literally goes up every year. You don't have to like it, but evolution doesn't play favorites. It's a simple fact that relievers are more effective than starters. Starters have the advantage of being able to eat up the large amount of innings in a MLB season, but that's off-set by the fact they are simply ineffective against hitters the third time around. Numbers don't lie. This cannot work with 25 man rosters. You might be able to do it with your 5th starter, but not all 5 starters. You're basically calling for most pitchers to be taken out before the 5th inning is over, in every game.
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Post by DesignatedKyle on Jul 26, 2016 20:09:18 GMT -5
10 hits and like 8 of them have been complete BS haha. That's baseball I guess.
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Post by bigpupp on Jul 26, 2016 20:10:22 GMT -5
This was a bad idea the first time you suggested it. It still isn't good. It's the way baseball is going whether you like it or not. Reliever inning % literally goes up every year. You don't have to like it, but evolution doesn't play favorites. It's a simple fact that relievers are more effective than starters. Starters have the advantage of being able to eat up the large amount of innings in a MLB season, but that's off-set by the fact they are simply ineffective against hitters the third time around. Numbers don't lie. By all means please link me the numbers that show all the amazing managers that don't let any of their pitchers throw to the top of the order 3 times. I'll sit tight.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 26, 2016 20:14:23 GMT -5
You know who good managers are? Ones who realize that Ross is at worst our 3rd best relief pitcher.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 26, 2016 20:16:41 GMT -5
Say hey JBJ!
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Post by templeusox on Jul 26, 2016 20:17:55 GMT -5
It's the way baseball is going whether you like it or not. Reliever inning % literally goes up every year. You don't have to like it, but evolution doesn't play favorites. It's a simple fact that relievers are more effective than starters. Starters have the advantage of being able to eat up the large amount of innings in a MLB season, but that's off-set by the fact they are simply ineffective against hitters the third time around. Numbers don't lie. By all means please link me the numbers that show all the amazing managers that don't let any of their pitchers throw to the top of the order 3 times. I'll sit tight. It doesn't happen now, but it's moving closer and closer. As a % of total innings pitched, relievers innings % is higher than ever and it goes up each year.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jul 26, 2016 20:18:45 GMT -5
It's the way baseball is going whether you like it or not. Reliever inning % literally goes up every year. You don't have to like it, but evolution doesn't play favorites. It's a simple fact that relievers are more effective than starters. Starters have the advantage of being able to eat up the large amount of innings in a MLB season, but that's off-set by the fact they are simply ineffective against hitters the third time around. Numbers don't lie. By all means please link me the numbers that show all the amazing managers that don't let any of their pitchers throw to the top of the order 3 times. I'll sit tight. So this line: 4 1/3 inn 4H 1R 1ER 1BB 5K elicits a call to the bullpen (every time!)because this pitcher has faced his batter limit?
What fresh nonsense is this you preach -- Nolan Ryan says he "hasn't even broken a sweat" at 4 1/3.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 26, 2016 20:20:16 GMT -5
By all means please link me the numbers that show all the amazing managers that don't let any of their pitchers throw to the top of the order 3 times. I'll sit tight. It doesn't happen now, but it's moving closer and closer. As a % of total innings pitched, relievers innings % is higher than ever and it goes up each year. Do the math and get back to us. You cannot take every starting pitcher out after 2 times through the order without using your bullpen for more than 4 innings per game which you know winds up a total disaster. So just stop it.
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Post by DesignatedKyle on Jul 26, 2016 20:25:18 GMT -5
Ian did us a solid there
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