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Post by gerry on Jul 30, 2016 2:25:50 GMT -5
That's 18 GIDPs for Pedey this year - second most in the AL (19 for Escobar). Brutal Lest we forget: 1. With this team and batting second, he has a lot more opportunities for DP. 2. With his amazing defense and ability to create DP, those initials take on a positive note. 3. 18 DP are likely an anomaly which should not overshadow his otherwise excellent offense this season. 4. There are a couple of people on this board and thread who continue to lay in the weeds looking for any opportunity to denigrate the de facto Red Sox Captain. I don"t understand why this is so, but IMO that is what is unacceptable |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 30, 2016 2:36:26 GMT -5
Dustin Pedrioa shouldn't be batting second in the first place. It should be JBJ or Xander. Pedrioa should be batting 5th, but hey John Farrell. One of the many reasons the Sox don't score as often as they could, even if they're the best offense in the league.
Hanley should be batting 6th or 7th (depending if the Sox are facing lefties or righties).
But hey if Tito batted Pedrioa second all the time 7 years ago, that must be the best lineup.
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Post by gerry on Jul 30, 2016 2:49:07 GMT -5
Complete game. That was useful. Second excellent start in t he series, though with better support tonight. Great season for Porcello. I was at the game again tonite. Far more Sox fans. Perfect weather, soft breeze. Those around me were concerned that JF would pull Porcello after the 8th like he did with a strong Price last night after 109 pitches. Many expressed audible surprise.when he took to the mound. Maybe, just maybe, Price would have won that game. |
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Post by fenwayfaithful on Jul 30, 2016 3:37:01 GMT -5
So we win and all you people do is post negative about Pedy batting second and blablabla some of you act like spoiled yankee fans. We should be proud of a complete game gem from a guy who everyone cried and bitched about just 12 months ago. Great win we needed it!
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Jul 30, 2016 4:57:14 GMT -5
No but I don't Kelly can either. ANYBODY can close. It's just a matter of whether the closing play is a win for you or a walkoff for the other team. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 30, 2016 5:31:15 GMT -5
So we win and all you people do is post negative about Pedy batting second and blablabla some of you act like spoiled yankee fans. We should be proud of a complete game gem from a guy who everyone cried and bitched about just 12 months ago. Great win we needed it! This has been a season long problem. All of us loved the Porcello start and the win. Everyone was talking about the Pedrioa double plays, it's more or less a product of hitting up in the lineup. He needs to be moved down in the lineup because JBJ is beasting and is the better option. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 30, 2016 5:31:41 GMT -5
No but I don't Kelly can either. ANYBODY can close. It's just a matter of whether the closing play is a win for you or a walkoff for the other team. Well I guess if you put it that way.... |
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Post by sammo420 on Jul 30, 2016 6:02:19 GMT -5
So we win and all you people do is post negative about Pedy batting second and blablabla some of you act like spoiled yankee fans. We should be proud of a complete game gem from a guy who everyone cried and bitched about just 12 months ago. Great win we needed it! Not everybody was unjustly crucifying Pedroia for DP's, there was also some unjustly praising of Porcello. He did have a really good game. But it was just one game. Let's not start thinking that's his true talent level just yet either. |
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Post by bosox81 on Jul 30, 2016 6:33:23 GMT -5
So we win and all you people do is post negative about Pedy batting second and blablabla some of you act like spoiled yankee fans. We should be proud of a complete game gem from a guy who everyone cried and bitched about just 12 months ago. Great win we needed it! Not everybody was unjustly crucifying Pedroia for DP's, there was also some unjustly praising of Porcello. He did have a really good game. But it was just one game. Let's not start thinking that's his true talent level just yet either. It wasn't just one game. He's been one of our two most consistent starters all year. |
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Post by sibbysisti on Jul 30, 2016 6:36:52 GMT -5
So we win and all you people do is post negative about Pedy batting second and blablabla some of you act like spoiled yankee fans. We should be proud of a complete game gem from a guy who everyone cried and bitched about just 12 months ago. Great win we needed it! Not everybody was unjustly crucifying Pedroia for DP's, there was also some unjustly praising of Porcello. He did have a really good game. But it was just one game. Let's not start thinking that's his true talent level just yet either. Just one game. Just like the other 13 wins were just one game. Honestly. |
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Post by Guidas on Jul 30, 2016 6:45:20 GMT -5
Great win.
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Post by sibbysisti on Jul 30, 2016 6:50:06 GMT -5
Dustin Pedrioa shouldn't be batting second in the first place. It should be JBJ or Xander. Pedrioa should be batting 5th, but hey John Farrell. One of the many reasons the Sox don't score as often as they could, even if they're the best offense in the league. Hanley should be batting 6th or 7th (depending if the Sox are facing lefties or righties). But hey if Tito batted Pedrioa second all the time 7 years ago, that must be the best lineup. so the Red Sox are hitting as a team eighteen percentage points over the second place team and a whopping 38 pct. points in OPS over the closest rival, for all ML baseball. So ya, it worked for Terry and it's working now for John. Yet there are people who want to shake up the lineup. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 30, 2016 7:03:56 GMT -5
Dustin Pedrioa shouldn't be batting second in the first place. It should be JBJ or Xander. Pedrioa should be batting 5th, but hey John Farrell. One of the many reasons the Sox don't score as often as they could, even if they're the best offense in the league. Hanley should be batting 6th or 7th (depending if the Sox are facing lefties or righties). But hey if Tito batted Pedrioa second all the time 7 years ago, that must be the best lineup. so the Red Sox are hitting as a team eighteen percentage points over the second place team and a whopping 38 pct. points in OPS over the closest rival, for all ML baseball. So ya, it worked for Terry and it's working now for John. Yet there are people who want to shake up the lineup. They might be doing even better if the Sox were giving more at bats to JBJ and moving a couple guys like Hanley and Pedrioa down in the lineup. Pedrioa is still a great hitter. JBJ is just better at this point. He deserves the at bats over Pedrioa. It's just that simple. Moving him down to the 5th spot in the lineup won't hurt his production, but in the long run could end up being more beneficial for the team. |
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Post by bluechip on Jul 30, 2016 7:26:13 GMT -5
So we win and all you people do is post negative about Pedy batting second and blablabla some of you act like spoiled yankee fans. We should be proud of a complete game gem from a guy who everyone cried and bitched about just 12 months ago. Great win we needed it! Not everybody was unjustly crucifying Pedroia for DP's, there was also some unjustly praising of Porcello. He did have a really good game. But it was just one game. Let's not start thinking that's his true talent level just yet either. He is tied for 21st in the major is WARf. He is leading the league in wins. He is setting a new career best in strikeout to walk ratio. |
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Post by bluechip on Jul 30, 2016 7:32:39 GMT -5
so the Red Sox are hitting as a team eighteen percentage points over the second place team and a whopping 38 pct. points in OPS over the closest rival, for all ML baseball. So ya, it worked for Terry and it's working now for John. Yet there are people who want to shake up the lineup. They might be doing even better if the Sox were giving more at bats to JBJ and moving a couple guys like Hanley and Pedrioa down in the lineup. Pedrioa is still a great hitter. JBJ is just better at this point. He deserves the at bats over Pedrioa. It's just that simple. Moving him down to the 5th spot in the lineup won't hurt his production, but in the long run could end up being more beneficial for the team. If we were really just going to screw with the lineup entirely... 1. Pedroia (he should have been the lead off guy years ago) 2. Xander (most important spot in the lineup) 3. Bradley (less important than fifth) 4. Ortiz 5. Betts (more important lineup spot than third) 6. Hanley 7. Shaw 8. Leon 9. Left fielder (well actually I'd bring of AB and bat him 8th) Not sure how'd that fly with any of the players, but it's way more efficient. |
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 30, 2016 8:00:19 GMT -5
So we win and all you people do is post negative about Pedy batting second and blablabla some of you act like spoiled yankee fans. We should be proud of a complete game gem from a guy who everyone cried and bitched about just 12 months ago. Great win we needed it! ... But it was just one game. Let's not start thinking that's his true talent level just yet either. Just yet? That's a joke right? His walks+hits, H R, and walk rate are at career lows (Add: HR rate is tied for 2 nd career best), while the K rate is second to last year when he was reworking his pitch mix. It's obvious that, with the exceptional control, he's figured out what works where and when. Right now he's one of the leagues best pitchers. He's already made this year's salary and he's working on next year's, and he's 27 and hitting his peak. The Sox figured out where this was all going and signed him to what looks like a team friendly contract. Time to stop griping. |
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Post by malynn19 on Jul 30, 2016 9:00:42 GMT -5
So we win and all you people do is post negative about Pedy batting second and blablabla some of you act like spoiled yankee fans. We should be proud of a complete game gem from a guy who everyone cried and bitched about just 12 months ago. Great win we needed it! You are my new BFF, and this is so true. Most here just don't realize it or realize it but won't admit it. Just like the guy who said lets not go overboard with Porcello its only been ONE game, lol. And Pedey will bat 2nd until Pedey decides not to bat second anymore. Yes those DPs are bad, but his overall numbers are great. I can play arm chair manager too and change the lineup around but at the end of the day they are still the top offense in all of baseball. Could they be better? Maybe, but let's be happy we got the win and had two great pitching starts on the road despite being 1-1. |
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Post by wcp3 on Jul 30, 2016 9:02:45 GMT -5
No but I don't Kelly can either. ANYBODY can close. It's just a matter of whether the closing play is a win for you or a walkoff for the other team. And if Bill Belichick wasn't a great coach, he wouldn't still be employed. |
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Post by wcp3 on Jul 30, 2016 9:05:35 GMT -5
I do wonder if the umps ever watch their game calls vs the tracker. All season long the strike calling seems worse than usual. Definitely not - they pour themselves a fat glass of whiskey or scotch, and pat themselves on the back for an hour straight on a job well done. Wouldn't surprise me if they had said scotch or whiskey before the game, too... |
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Post by theghostofjoecronin on Jul 30, 2016 10:04:51 GMT -5
Fun fact of the day: Rick Porcello is currently tied for the 14th best single season WL% of all time.
I didn't mind when we initially traded for him, but I couldn't make any sense of the massive contract extension he got soon after without proving that he can handle pitching in Boston. This year Rick has shown that he can be a very reliable mid-rotation innings eater and give our team a solid chance to win every 5th day. I really like our rotation at the moment with everyone seeming to be rounding into form. If only our offense can show a bit more consistency...we need to go on a nice win streak now because the AL Wild Card is starting to get bunched up.
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Post by RedSoxStats on Jul 30, 2016 11:17:43 GMT -5
That's 18 GIDPs for Pedey this year - second most in the AL (19 for Escobar). Brutal Lest we forget: 1. With this team and batting second, he has a lot more opportunities for DP. In double play situations league average is hitting into them 11% of the time, Pedroia is at 20%, 7th worst rate in MLB behind Yunel Escobar, Andrelton Simmons, Jose Bautista, J.J. Hardy, Billy Butler, and Elvis Andrus. |
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Post by telluricrook on Jul 30, 2016 12:28:43 GMT -5
Lest we forget: 1. With this team and batting second, he has a lot more opportunities for DP. In double play situations league average is hitting into them 11% of the time, Pedroia is at 20%, 7th worst rate in MLB behind Yunel Escobar, Andrelton Simmons, Jose Bautista, J.J. Hardy, Billy Butler, and Elvis Andrus. It doesnt help that he is so slow as well. Last night when he scored on Bogaerts double he was rounding third base at the same time Trout picked the ball off the wall and I thought he was gonna get thrown out. |
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Post by ray88h66 on Jul 30, 2016 12:37:53 GMT -5
Jim Rice was among the leaders in DP,s every year. He hit the ball hard and the Sox had lots of base runners in the 70's early 80's. Much like this year. Pedey has lost some speed, but nothing about this offense is a problem. Starting pitching is the problem, and it's good to see two good starts in a row.
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Post by RedSoxStats on Jul 30, 2016 12:54:45 GMT -5
Jim Rice was among the leaders in DP,s every year. He hit the ball hard and the Sox had lots of base runners in the 70's early 80's. Much like this year. Pedey has lost some speed, but nothing about this offense is a problem. Starting pitching is the problem, and it's good to see two good starts in a row. I'd say his double plays, inability to drive in runs when it's been Betts/Holt/Bradley on base for him most of the time and terrible base running are issues with him batting 2nd, but to each their own. |
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Post by m1keyboots on Jul 30, 2016 13:57:11 GMT -5
Hmmmm, I wonder what I can complain about today. Well, it's quite humid here in D.C. my cat won't cuddle with me, and my basketball is deflated. Let's fire Farrell, it's his fault and I'm tired of him.
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