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Red Sox acquire Fernando Abad
atzar
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Post by atzar on Aug 1, 2016 13:33:55 GMT -5
I wanted to make Abad joke but everyone got here first Yeah, all of the good (bad) puns were already taken before I got here too, haha.
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 1, 2016 13:40:22 GMT -5
Yeah, all of the good (bad) puns were already taken before I got here too, haha. Here's hoping they trade for Charlie Furbush next and give us another shot.
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Post by sibbysisti on Aug 1, 2016 13:59:08 GMT -5
Hard to be bothered by the trade when Light got absolutely murdered when called up. True it was only a couple of innings but an ERA over 20 isn't encouraging no matter what. Plus, the org. Has other hard throwing RH RP such as Ben Taylor and Kyle Martin to develop in Light's stead.
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Post by sibbysisti on Aug 1, 2016 14:29:37 GMT -5
Yeah, all of the good (bad) puns were already taken before I got here too, haha. Here's hoping they trade for Charlie Furbush next and give us another shot. And I thought you were a gentleman, Mr. Caballero.
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Post by tjb21 on Aug 1, 2016 14:32:17 GMT -5
Another solid smaller trade.
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 1, 2016 14:33:07 GMT -5
I wanted to make Abad joke but everyone got here first Yeah, all of the good (bad) puns were already taken before I got here too, haha. Over on TwinsProspects.com they're talking about making Light of Abad situation. I like the deal. DDo once again going no larger than he needs to go. Expect Layne to be DFA'd or dealt for scrap metal, and Kelly to go back down when Kimbrel is ready. Kelly will get a September chance to show he's useful as a reliever.
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Post by sammo420 on Aug 1, 2016 17:37:52 GMT -5
I have seen some reports that the deal is for Light. Not Abad trade (sorry, someone was going to do it). Yeah, me. Not sure why, but I didn't have very high expectations for Light. This is an all win trade for me and I'll root for the kid to prove me wrong. Let's hope we can trade Abad for a king's ransom next year.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 1, 2016 20:51:45 GMT -5
This was probably my favorite deal that Dombrowski has made since he's been here.
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Post by wcp3 on Aug 1, 2016 20:58:13 GMT -5
His name's Abad?
The jokes are gonna be too easy.
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Post by jimoh on Aug 1, 2016 21:34:57 GMT -5
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Post by kman22 on Aug 1, 2016 21:43:51 GMT -5
One of the first minor league players I can remember pulling for as a kid.
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Post by theghostofjoecronin on Aug 2, 2016 4:25:11 GMT -5
I like the trade. Light had potential but likely won't refine his command enough to reach his ceiling (Joe Kelly 2.0?). Abad is a solid lefty who is a big upgrade to Layne. He's under control for next year too, which is great.
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Post by bluechip on Aug 2, 2016 4:42:05 GMT -5
With only this move, was it Abad deadline?
Did DD do Abad job?
Ok, I'll stop before I become Abad poster.
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Post by bosox81 on Aug 2, 2016 8:00:03 GMT -5
It's a meh trade for me. I think the impact of a LOOGY is overstated, particularly with a manager that I'm not convinced can use them properly.
As for Light, it's been 2 2/3 innings and has been getting better in AAA. Betances had a 9.39 ERA in his first eight games in a span of two seasons having shown no ability to throw strikes. I remember this because the Yanks put him in a game they were very close to winning, just so the Rays would win that last game and cause the 2011 Red Sox collapse.
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 2, 2016 23:13:00 GMT -5
“@smittyonmlb: Boston Red Sox trade: New acquisition Fernando Abad expected to be trade, won’t be used primarily vs. lefties s.masslive.com/s4hsOWB
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 3, 2016 0:30:15 GMT -5
This was probably my favorite deal that Dombrowski has made since he's been here. I need to stop posting, everything I write turns into Abad jinx.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 3, 2016 6:50:50 GMT -5
“@smittyonmlb: Boston Red Sox trade: New acquisition Fernando Abad expected to be trade, won’t be used primarily vs. lefties s.masslive.com/s4hsOWBThis is why I was against the trade if Farrell isn't getting fired. He'll use him over Ross, who is better. He's a damn LOOGY, we didn't need a new one. This team doesn't even need one.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 3, 2016 10:11:51 GMT -5
“@smittyonmlb: Boston Red Sox trade: New acquisition Fernando Abad expected to be trade, won’t be used primarily vs. lefties s.masslive.com/s4hsOWBThis is why I was against the trade if Farrell isn't getting fired. He'll use him over Ross, who is better. He's a damn LOOGY, we didn't need a new one. This team doesn't even need one. I have to disagree I think Abad is better than Ross. I don't blame Abad for last night. That pitch that Cano hit a HR on was six inches below strike zone, not like he threw a meatball down middle of plate. Just tip your hat to a great hitter because he hit a good pitch.
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 3, 2016 11:26:13 GMT -5
“@smittyonmlb: Boston Red Sox trade: New acquisition Fernando Abad expected to be trade, won’t be used primarily vs. lefties s.masslive.com/s4hsOWBThis is why I was against the trade if Farrell isn't getting fired. He'll use him over Ross, who is better. He's a damn LOOGY, we didn't need a new one. This team doesn't even need one. John Farrell isn't the one who told Robinson Cano to have otherworldly plate coverage. Ross takes longer to warm up, has a less defined platoon split for his career, and had pitched the previous day (Ross has only been used on consecutive days twice this year).
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Post by nomar on Aug 3, 2016 11:29:46 GMT -5
This is why I was against the trade if Farrell isn't getting fired. He'll use him over Ross, who is better. He's a damn LOOGY, we didn't need a new one. This team doesn't even need one. John Farrell isn't the one who told Robinson Cano to have otherworldly plate coverage. Ross takes longer to warm up, has a less defined platoon split for his career, and had pitched the previous day (Ross has only been used on consecutive days twice this year). And Abad had the 1-11 track record against Cano, too. Sh*t happens, Cano is nasty.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 3, 2016 12:14:05 GMT -5
This is why I was against the trade if Farrell isn't getting fired. He'll use him over Ross, who is better. He's a damn LOOGY, we didn't need a new one. This team doesn't even need one. John Farrell isn't the one who told Robinson Cano to have otherworldly plate coverage. Ross takes longer to warm up, has a less defined platoon split for his career, and had pitched the previous day (Ross has only been used on consecutive days twice this year). I replied to the comment that Farrell made, which is that Abad isn't a LOOGY. He is. It sounds like Farrell thinks Abad is better than Ross, which he isn't.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Aug 3, 2016 13:53:10 GMT -5
Abad really made Cano look bad on the 1st 2 strikes. Buckled his knees on the 1st pitch & had him swing at a pitch in the dirt. Cano had to sitting CB on the HR swing. It's about as good a pitch he could have thrown there without bouncing it. With Cruz behind him, he couldn't get too cute there.
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 3, 2016 21:12:51 GMT -5
Abad does have an unbelievably bad record for pitching in high leverage, a record so consistently bad that I had to insert "unbelievably" into that descriptor when I had the low-hanging pun fruit in my grasp.
OPS allowed by leverage, low to high, 647, 720, 965. He is a career +0.11 wins based just on base/out clutch, bu when you add inning/score clutch, he's now -4.28. FG's measure of clutch relieving wins is a little weird and funky, but here it is starting from his first year: .02, -.69, -.13, -1.52, -.95, -.61, -.95. He's averaging close to -1.00 wins of clutch differential per year in his career, which is enormous.
I once did a study that showed that reliever clutch was mildly predictive. The correlation was driven by a handful of outliers such as Rudy Seanez, who was -5.42 clutch in his career.
He'll be useful in the 6th and maybe the 7th against lefty-heavy stretches of the order, more so than Layne would have been. But I would never, ever trust him with the game on the line.
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Post by nomar on Aug 4, 2016 8:55:48 GMT -5
Abad does have an unbelievably bad record for pitching in high leverage, a record so consistently bad that I had to insert "unbelievably" into that descriptor when I had the low-hanging pun fruit in my grasp. OPS allowed by leverage, low to high, 647, 720, 965. He is a career +0.11 wins based just on base/out clutch, bu when you add inning/score clutch, he's now -4.28. FG's measure of clutch relieving wins is a little weird and funky, but here it is starting from his first year: .02, -.69, -.13, -1.52, -.95, -.61, -.95. He's averaging close to -1.00 wins of clutch differential per year in his career, which is enormous. I once did a study that showed that reliever clutch was mildly predictive. The correlation was driven by a handful of outliers such as Rudy Seanez, who was -5.42 clutch in his career. He'll be useful in the 6th and maybe the 7th against lefty-heavy stretches of the order, more so than Layne would have been. But I would never, ever trust him with the game on the line. The good news is that he probably lost Farrell's trust in that situation as well.
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 1, 2016 11:19:20 GMT -5
Here is Abad's breakdown since the trade:
vs. LHB: 17 PA .125/.176/.313, 7 K (41.2%), 1 BB (5.9%) vs. RHB: 30 PA .375/.500/.417, 4 K (13.3%), 6 BB (20.0%)
Abad has been really, really good at the job he was acquired to do. The problem is that Farrell is having him do someone else's job too. Some of the anti-Farrell stuff is far too overblown, but this is a mistake that I don't think most other managers would make. A lefty one-out guy pitches to lefties and should only face righties in the lowest levarage situations.
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