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Andrew Benintendi called up to join the Major League team
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 2, 2016 11:03:10 GMT -5
I wouldn't count on him living too long. The Sox still need to make room for Abad. There is no room for both Layne and Abad on this team. Brentz probably stays until Young gets back. Layne was DFAed. Ian Browne @ianmbrowne 11h11 hours ago Tommy Layne was DFA'd to create a roster spot for Abad.
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Post by telson13 on Aug 2, 2016 11:16:34 GMT -5
Funny, I loved his small moves (Ziegler and Hill especially), but this is my favorite. I don't expect Benintendi to set the world on fire, but I think his defense, and the ability to use Holt as a true superutility, will make a big difference. I have zero concern regarding the CF-LF switch. I always prefer internal fixes--trusting the guys you have--over trying to make a splash. Part of why I disliked the Pomeranz acquisition so much...Rodriguez has looked sharp and Pomeranz is doing his best bad-Clay impression. With good-Clay peeking around the corner, I'd've preferred DD stand pat. Regardless, this is a better overall move than any LF pickup they could've made, especially if Young comes back and gets up to speed quickly. I have a feeling that Benintendi may struggle for 100 AB or so, but come the end of September, I think he should be a real contributor. Pomeranz was not well known and therefore its obvious it was not done merely to make a big splash that could have been done with Sale but he chose not to. And regarding Clay he needs to do more than peek around corners and if he (or Erod or Owens or Johnson or Kelly) had done his job or anything close to it, the Pomeranz deal doesn't happen. Pomeranz was certainly well-known within the industry. I'm not talking about making a splash for the media/fans. That's just stupid business. I don't think GMs in general are as swayed by the "importance" of reactionary press or fandom as the press/fans like to believe. And I'm sure Dombrowski isn't. I agree, if Buchholz had been pitching well, it's a lot less likely that deal happens. More likely, they wait on Rodriguez putting it together. Who knows? Pomeranz may very well adjust and pitch well. As for Rodriguez, sheesh...the guy dislocated his kneecap. That requires some recovery time, and patience. I maintain that, with those other four pitchers, chances were good someone would start pitching up to their capabilities. It's a gamble either way, but right now it's a gamble the Sox lost. Time will tell how they really made out. The good news is that they not only held onto Benintendi, but avoided trading even more prospect talent away to get what would've been a temporary LF. I think the odds are good that Benintendi contributes in the near future. It also probably solidifies the LF spot going into the offseason. That means the rotation (depending on Pomeranz's performance), LF, and 3b (Shaw, Moncada, plus fwiw Sandoval) are set. If Benintendi plays well, all that's really left is bullpen and DH. That's a short shopping list. And depending on how well Benintendi hits, DH may or may not be prioritized. I love this move.
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Post by bluechip on Aug 2, 2016 11:23:48 GMT -5
Serious question. Does Benintendi coming up the day AFTER the deadline mean that he was available for a big trade over the last 48 hours? If they were going to call him tonight, why not have called him up last night for the opener with Seattle? On one hand, that's what immediately came to my mind as well. The timing of his call-up suggests that he may have been involved in trade talks or that they may have pursued trading for an external left fielder. If you aren't going to give him at least a significant chunk of playing time the rest of the season or if they were going to trade him, adding him to the 40-man would just take up a 40-man spot and start his option clock early. On the other hand, they were facing Paxton last night, which means he probably wouldn't have started anyways. Of course, they're facing another lefty tonight, and it sounds like he won't get a start until tomorrow, so that's a slightly less plausible explanation. I do think the trade deadline had something to do with it-- it doesn't mean he was shopped or that they were looking to move him, but why not just wait an extra day just in case something unexpected turns up. If I had to guess, I'd say the two are related. It's simpler to trade someone not on the 40 man roster. If I were the White Sox, all things equal, I would want pieces in the package to stay off the 40 man roster, and I'd be slightly annoyed by a roster move to add them.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 2, 2016 11:55:15 GMT -5
MLB Network Radio @mlbnetworkradio #RedSox Manager John Farrell "excited to get" Andrew Benintendi in the lineup but debut will be tomorrow vs RHP
Red Sox Stats @redsoxstats 45s45 seconds ago Farrell says the Benintendi/Brentz platoon is just to get his feet under him. JBJ will probably get a day off soon, as will X and Pedroia.
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Post by tjb21 on Aug 2, 2016 12:46:19 GMT -5
I'm ok with him platooning for the immediate future, but he should be full time before the season ends.
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Post by jimoh on Aug 2, 2016 13:52:09 GMT -5
Who's the last position player to get to MLB this quickly for us?
It has been a long time since the Red Sox had a position player reach the majors only a season after being drafted. The most recent occurrence was when the Red Sox called up 1973 second-round pick Fred Lynn in September of 1974. Lynn was outstanding in 15 games that fall before winning the Most Valuable Player award the following year.
news.soxprospects.com/2016/08/transaction-analysis-breaking-down_2.htmlLynn was drafted June 5, 1973 and debuted in September of 74, so not as fast. Tony C signed in October of 62 and was a starter at age 19 (19!) in April of 1964, so not as fast
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 2, 2016 14:00:54 GMT -5
I think Benintendi and Groome falling to us the last two years more than makes up for Ball. Still not sure how it happened.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 2, 2016 14:19:39 GMT -5
From 108 Stitches today:
Nelson Paulino has been with the Red Sox since 1998. Last September, when he worked with Benintendi as the hitting coach in Single A Greenville, Paulino described the young outfielder as having the most advanced approach of anyone he’d ever seen entering the Red Sox’ farm system, a player who combined strike-zone awareness with the hitting skill to be able to handle different pitch types in different parts of the strike zone and a plan of attack at the plate that allowed him not just to seek contact but instead to do damage with pitches.
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Post by templeusox on Aug 2, 2016 14:24:13 GMT -5
From 108 Stitches today: Nelson Paulino has been with the Red Sox since 1998. Last September, when he worked with Benintendi as the hitting coach in Single A Greenville, Paulino described the young outfielder as having the most advanced approach of anyone he’d ever seen entering the Red Sox’ farm system, a player who combined strike-zone awareness with the hitting skill to be able to handle different pitch types in different parts of the strike zone and a plan of attack at the plate that allowed him not just to seek contact but instead to do damage with pitches. Here's the Andrew Benintendi percentile projection system: 99% Ted Williams . . . 75% Carl Yastrzemski . . . 50% Vada Pinson . . . 25% Nick Markakis . . . 1% Darren Bragg
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Post by DesignatedKyle on Aug 2, 2016 14:56:14 GMT -5
He will wear #40, the same number that the legendary Bartolo Colon wore here in 2008!
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Post by azblue on Aug 2, 2016 15:00:07 GMT -5
After reading Ian's evaluation of AB, I am struck by Ian's insistence that AB has at best average speed and an average arm. Every other source that I have read says that AB has an above average arm and above average speed.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Aug 2, 2016 15:02:11 GMT -5
From 108 Stitches today: Nelson Paulino has been with the Red Sox since 1998. Last September, when he worked with Benintendi as the hitting coach in Single A Greenville, Paulino described the young outfielder as having the most advanced approach of anyone he’d ever seen entering the Red Sox’ farm system, a player who combined strike-zone awareness with the hitting skill to be able to handle different pitch types in different parts of the strike zone and a plan of attack at the plate that allowed him not just to seek contact but instead to do damage with pitches. Here's the Andrew Benintendi percentile projection system: 99% Ted Williams . . . 75% Carl Yastrzemski . . . 50% Vada Pinson . . . 25% Nick Markakis . . . 1% Darren Bragg My comp for Benny Baseball is Donny Baseball. Similiar builds and nicknames:) Even from a similiar part of country. Gonna be a very good 8-10 year player. May not hold up long-term as injuries and age mount.
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Post by soxfanatic on Aug 2, 2016 15:23:52 GMT -5
He will wear #40, the same number that the legendary Bartolo Colon wore here in 2008! In hindsight that 'era' could have been so much more enjoyable.
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Post by sammo420 on Aug 2, 2016 16:18:53 GMT -5
Here's the Andrew Benintendi percentile projection system: 99% Ted Williams . . . 75% Carl Yastrzemski . . . 50% Vada Pinson . . . 25% Nick Markakis . . . 1% Darren Bragg My comp for Benny Baseball is Donny Baseball. Similiar builds and nicknames:) Even from a similiar part of country. Gonna be a very good 8-10 year player. May not hold up long-term as injuries and age mount. Have we picked out a wife for him yet?
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Post by pedey on Aug 2, 2016 16:57:48 GMT -5
I think Benintendi and Groome falling to us the last two years more than makes up for Ball. Still not sure how it happened. Is it looking pretty imminent that Ball is a bust at this point? He certainly hasnt impressed at any level. I didn't like the sox drafting him. Granted, outside of a few players, 2013 was a relatively weak draft class. As I recall though, correct me if im wrong, but Ball's strength was he could throw hard, without much control, and he didn't even have much experience pitching. I don't think thats worthy of the #7 overall pick. But, draft picks are lottery tickets, you never know what will happen. Sometimes pitchers don't figure things out until their late 20's. Too early to say he is a complete bust.... How's Sam Travis doing these days? Last year there was talk of him being the 1B of the future. Has that changed?
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Post by jmei on Aug 2, 2016 17:13:17 GMT -5
Ball's strength was that he was projectable. Limited experience, but a clean delivery and feel for multiple secondary pitches, plus a frame that looked like it could add velocity. It hasn't happened yet and probably never will, but that happens with high school pitchers.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 2, 2016 17:21:22 GMT -5
I think Benintendi and Groome falling to us the last two years more than makes up for Ball. Still not sure how it happened. Is it looking pretty imminent that Ball is a bust at this point? He certainly hasnt impressed at any level. I didn't like the sox drafting him. Granted, outside of a few players, 2013 was a relatively weak draft class. As I recall though, correct me if im wrong, but Ball's strength was he could throw hard, without much control, and he didn't even have much experience pitching. I don't think thats worthy of the #7 overall pick. But, draft picks are lottery tickets, you never know what will happen. Sometimes pitchers don't figure things out until their late 20's. Too early to say he is a complete bust.... How's Sam Travis doing these days? Last year there was talk of him being the 1B of the future. Has that changed? I'm not writing him off. I'm just writing him off that he's ever going to resemble what we hoped for with the #7 pick. But that's fine, it happens. And he still has time to switch back to hitting. Travis tore his ACL a few months ago and is out for the season.
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Post by rollsoxroll on Aug 2, 2016 17:23:44 GMT -5
I think Benintendi and Groome falling to us the last two years more than makes up for Ball. Still not sure how it happened. Is it looking pretty imminent that Ball is a bust at this point? He certainly hasnt impressed at any level. I didn't like the sox drafting him. Granted, outside of a few players, 2013 was a relatively weak draft class. As I recall though, correct me if im wrong, but Ball's strength was he could throw hard, without much control, and he didn't even have much experience pitching. I don't think thats worthy of the #7 overall pick. But, draft picks are lottery tickets, you never know what will happen. Sometimes pitchers don't figure things out until their late 20's. Too early to say he is a complete bust.... How's Sam Travis doing these days? Last year there was talk of him being the 1B of the future. Has that changed? Hopefully S. Travis is healing well. Haven't heard much about how recovery is going.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Aug 2, 2016 17:26:36 GMT -5
I think that the decision to bring him up probably includes most of the reasons that have been mentioned to one degree or another.
You might get an overwhelming offer at the trade deadline so no 40-man spot on that hedge, but there is the need for another dependable outfielder both on offense and defense, and the guy has really picked it up in AA punctuated by a 12 TB game. The trade deadline comes and guess, the team's on the West coast where the spotlight will be nowhere near as bright, there's an off day with a tough lefty on the mound so he can use that to travel... it all works to his and the team's advantage.
We're in the ballpark for the SEA games, and so probably get to watch what he brings to the Sox lineup. Looking forward to it.
The reactionaries talking down Farrell before anything has gone down need to get hold of themselves. His remarks make it clear that Bretz is the guy on the clock.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Aug 2, 2016 18:13:55 GMT -5
Norm, I'd be curious to see how he interacts with the other guys, shagging, behind the cage, BP, ect. Seems we have a lot of loose personalities. Hopefully he'll fit in. I'm sure he'll get the normal hazing though.
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 2, 2016 18:16:27 GMT -5
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Post by Oregon Norm on Aug 2, 2016 18:29:09 GMT -5
We're going to try to get there early over the next few days, and maybe get a feel for his approach and that of his teammates. He is from what we've all read quiet and self-effacing but sure of himself. Let's see how it all gets rolling.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 2, 2016 19:00:33 GMT -5
Here's to the beginning of a long and successful career. Good luck AB.......hit homers against the MFY's.
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 2, 2016 19:06:38 GMT -5
“@jmastrodonato: Farrell says Benintendi will likely hit ninth, likes him in front of Mookie Betts”
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Post by dfwsox on Aug 2, 2016 19:12:43 GMT -5
Aggressive move promoting him, I like it, dude has produced. And we do have the need, the big club is what matters, that's what these players are for. Hopefully they are patient with him, as struggles I'm sure will come. Excited for this kid and the sox!
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