radiohix
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Post by radiohix on Aug 2, 2016 19:39:12 GMT -5
No pressure what so ever but I'm expecting him to be a left handed version of Mookie.
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Post by larrycook on Aug 2, 2016 19:51:01 GMT -5
I am concerned the front office rushed him. Thirty days at Pawtucket before going to Boston might have been better for him.
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Post by sammo420 on Aug 2, 2016 20:03:53 GMT -5
I am concerned the front office rushed him. Thirty days at Pawtucket before going to Boston might have been better for him. Assuming things haven't changed much, the jump from A to AA is the biggest. The jump from AAA to majors isn't all that much and you see a lot of major league depth guys in AAA.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 2, 2016 20:42:36 GMT -5
I am concerned the front office rushed him. Thirty days at Pawtucket before going to Boston might have been better for him. Assuming things haven't changed much, the jump from A to AA is the biggest. The jump from AAA to majors isn't all that much and you see a lot of major league depth guys in AAA. Interesting. I've been told by former MLB players and a few front office humans that the jump from AAA to MLB is the most difficult of all. One even called it an "exponential step up" in talent and execution, even on the worst teams. It's why you'll see guys who are .300/.350.420 in AAA and yet when they come up they're quickly staring at the Mendoza Line and it all happened so fast some can't even figure out why. If tehy can't adjust, they go back down and try to do it there. Enough fails and it's either retirement or off to Japan to at least get a taste of the pro money before it's too late. Heady stuff.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 2, 2016 20:48:45 GMT -5
Assuming things haven't changed much, the jump from A to AA is the biggest. The jump from AAA to majors isn't all that much and you see a lot of major league depth guys in AAA. Interesting. I've been told by former MLB players and a few front office humans that the jump from AAA to MLB is the most difficult of all. One even called it an "exponential step up" in talent and execution, even on the worst teams. It's why you'll see guys who are .300/.350.420 in AAA and yet when they come up they're quickly staring at the Mendoza Line and it all happened so fast some can't even figure out why. If tehy can't adjust, they go back down and try to do it there. Enough fails and it's either retirement or off to Japan to at least get a taste of the pro money before it's too late. Heady stuff. I don't remember anyone struggling mightily when they have great k-rates. See Mookie for a recent example.
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Post by dnfl333 on Aug 2, 2016 21:55:43 GMT -5
Im sure there will be a learning curve and many high's and lows. Good luck to the kid
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Aug 3, 2016 21:23:09 GMT -5
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Post by bosox81 on Aug 3, 2016 21:26:45 GMT -5
Assuming things haven't changed much, the jump from A to AA is the biggest. The jump from AAA to majors isn't all that much and you see a lot of major league depth guys in AAA. Interesting. I've been told by former MLB players and a few front office humans that the jump from AAA to MLB is the most difficult of all. One even called it an "exponential step up" in talent and execution, even on the worst teams. It's why you'll see guys who are .300/.350.420 in AAA and yet when they come up they're quickly staring at the Mendoza Line and it all happened so fast some can't even figure out why. If tehy can't adjust, they go back down and try to do it there. Enough fails and it's either retirement or off to Japan to at least get a taste of the pro money before it's too late. Heady stuff. I mean, the jump from the minors to the majors includes having to face opposing hitters/batters with major league experience and some of them in their primes. On the jump from A to AA you're still facing some of the same opposing players you were facing the season before.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 4, 2016 5:57:32 GMT -5
I don't know how anyone sees anything but JD Drew in Benintendi. Plus tools across the board but no special tool. Just a solid player all around. Between the still relaxed easy swing that compares to JD almost identically, it's almost too obvious. JD might have the better arm and maybe more power in his peak years, but really I can't think of a better comp for Benintendi.
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Post by nomar on Aug 4, 2016 6:46:49 GMT -5
I think he'll strike out less and have a higher average than Kalhoun, and may have a better ISOd too.
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Post by soxfanatic on Aug 4, 2016 6:57:20 GMT -5
I don't know how anyone sees anything but JD Drew in Benintendi. Plus tools across the board but no special tool. Just a solid player all around. Between the still relaxed easy swing that compares to JD almost identically, it's almost too obvious. JD might have the better arm and maybe more power in his peak years, but really I can't think of a better comp for Benintendi. Not I that I don't agree with the comp, but I bolded a little pet peeve of mine. I think 'plus' with respect to tools is too often thrown around like it's nothing. A plus tool is inherently special. Edit: With respect to Benintendi, I certainly wouldn't call his arm plus and the power is probably borderline plus.
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 4, 2016 9:56:03 GMT -5
FanGraphs likes Benny.The top 5 comps for his ml season, since 1991: Dexter Fowler, Johnny Damon, Carlos Gomez, Jermaine Dye, Grady Sizemore.
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Post by thegoo13 on Aug 4, 2016 10:58:55 GMT -5
I don't know how anyone sees anything but JD Drew in Benintendi. Plus tools across the board but no special tool. Just a solid player all around. Between the still relaxed easy swing that compares to JD almost identically, it's almost too obvious. JD might have the better arm and maybe more power in his peak years, but really I can't think of a better comp for Benintendi. With respect. Please never use the names Andrew Benintendi and JD Drew in the same sentence ever again.
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Post by klostrophobic on Aug 4, 2016 11:30:28 GMT -5
I don't know how anyone sees anything but JD Drew in Benintendi. Plus tools across the board but no special tool. Just a solid player all around. Between the still relaxed easy swing that compares to JD almost identically, it's almost too obvious. JD might have the better arm and maybe more power in his peak years, but really I can't think of a better comp for Benintendi. With respect. Please never use the names Andrew Benintendi and JD Drew in the same sentence ever again. Why? It's a stretch to think any single prospect could be as good as prime healthy JD Drew but it seems a fair comp if all goes well for Benintendi.
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Post by bluechip on Aug 4, 2016 11:43:59 GMT -5
I don't know how anyone sees anything but JD Drew in Benintendi. Plus tools across the board but no special tool. Just a solid player all around. Between the still relaxed easy swing that compares to JD almost identically, it's almost too obvious. JD might have the better arm and maybe more power in his peak years, but really I can't think of a better comp for Benintendi. With respect. Please never use the names Andrew Benintendi and JD Drew in the same sentence ever again. If Benintendi is as good as JD Drew, we should count ourselves lucky. Drew was a great player.
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Post by dnfl333 on Aug 4, 2016 12:00:20 GMT -5
With respect. Please never use the names Andrew Benintendi and JD Drew in the same sentence ever again. If Benintendi is as good as JD Drew, we should count ourselves lucky. Drew was a great player. Define Great please?
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Post by nomar on Aug 4, 2016 12:14:10 GMT -5
If Benintendi is as good as JD Drew, we should count ourselves lucky. Drew was a great player. Define Great please? He had 4.0 and 4.8 WAR seasons with us, and 8.6 WAR season in Atlanta, a 4.2 WAR season in LA, and 3.8 and 5.6 WAR seasons in St Louis. A 45.9 career fWAR player. He was very good.
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 4, 2016 12:18:05 GMT -5
Few things in baseball will ever be greater than his Grand Slam against the Indians.
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Post by 2pacac on Aug 4, 2016 12:21:57 GMT -5
If Benintendi is as good as JD Drew, we should count ourselves lucky. Drew was a great player. Define Great please? Not sure about defining great, but JD Drew was an excellent defender who had more than an 880 OPS 8 times and more than 1000 twice. Injuries probably kept him from being a Hall of Famer, in my opinion.
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Post by bluechip on Aug 4, 2016 13:35:47 GMT -5
What the others said, plus between 2001 and 2010, he had the 15th best WARf in the majors. Higher than Manny Ramirez, Carl Crawford, vlad Guerrero, Miguel Cabrera, Jim Thome, David Ortiz, among others.
If AB is the fifteenth best player in the game over a ten year period, I'd be very satisfied.
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Post by deepjohn on Aug 4, 2016 13:54:48 GMT -5
Interesting. I've been told by former MLB players and a few front office humans that the jump from AAA to MLB is the most difficult of all. One even called it an "exponential step up" in talent and execution, even on the worst teams. It's why you'll see guys who are .300/.350.420 in AAA and yet when they come up they're quickly staring at the Mendoza Line and it all happened so fast some can't even figure out why. If tehy can't adjust, they go back down and try to do it there. Enough fails and it's either retirement or off to Japan to at least get a taste of the pro money before it's too late. Heady stuff. I don't remember anyone struggling mightily when they have great k-rates. See Mookie for a recent example. And when they have more walks than Ks. Increasingly hard to do, especially with Benny's very high ISO. I think he's like the guy in your profile pic, Yaz! ADD: I think the guys who are inclined to struggle are those projected to have low ISO (less than .130). Batting average alone is a fickle mistress.
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Post by nomar on Aug 4, 2016 14:16:14 GMT -5
I don't remember anyone struggling mightily when they have great k-rates. See Mookie for a recent example. And when they have more walks than Ks. Increasingly hard to do, especially with Benny's very high ISO. I think he's like the guy in your profile pic, Yaz! ADD: I think the guys who are inclined to struggle are those projected to have low ISO (less than .130). Batting average alone is a fickle mistress. Bregman has been bad with a low K profile so far but the sample is like a dozen games so I'll give that time. In general I agree though. I have much more faith in high contact guys adjusting well. guus like Benintendi and Kepler stick out to me this year, and I would expect Bregman to come around.
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Post by jrffam05 on Aug 4, 2016 14:25:33 GMT -5
If Benintendi is as good as JD Drew, we should count ourselves lucky. Drew was a great player. Define Great please? I'd like to ask you the reverse of this question. Besides Drew being somewhat injured (Averaging 121 games for the 5 years he played with the Red Sox) what makes him not a great player? If Benintendi turns in a career 278/384/489 line over 6000 PA like Drew, we should be pretty happy.
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 4, 2016 14:49:38 GMT -5
During Drew's five-year peak, he hit .291/.400/.531 and was worth 7.0 WAR/650 PA. Quality-wise, he played at a Hall of Fame level. He simply lacked the durability to get there. Calling him great is as understated as he was.
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Post by wcp3 on Aug 4, 2016 15:17:55 GMT -5
I laugh when Dave O'Brien tries to say Red Sox fans are so knowledgable, considering it's the same fan base that criticized JD Drew so much and thought Trot Nixon was better.
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