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Post by ctfisher on Aug 4, 2016 15:33:00 GMT -5
I laugh when Dave O'Brien tries to say Red Sox fans are so knowledgable, considering it's the same fan base that criticized JD Drew so much and thought Trot Nixon was better. To be fair, that wasn't very scientific. Drew kinda seemed aloof, had a pretty bad first year on what was a big contract at the time and was perpetually hurt. Trot Nixon was the kind of hard nosed guy that Boston fans (all fans really but particularly Boston ones) are predisposed to love, like pedroia. Drew had none of that to him, and it irked people
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Post by wcp3 on Aug 4, 2016 16:28:20 GMT -5
I laugh when Dave O'Brien tries to say Red Sox fans are so knowledgable, considering it's the same fan base that criticized JD Drew so much and thought Trot Nixon was better. To be fair, that wasn't very scientific. Drew kinda seemed aloof, had a pretty bad first year on what was a big contract at the time and was perpetually hurt. Trot Nixon was the kind of hard nosed guy that Boston fans (all fans really but particularly Boston ones) are predisposed to love, like pedroia. Drew had none of that to him, and it irked people This pretty much sums up exactly why Boston fans aren't as smart as they think they are. The only bad year he had was 2011 (right before he retired), and he only missed an extended period of time in 2008. Calling him great is a stretch, but he was easily worth his contract.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Aug 4, 2016 17:54:25 GMT -5
Benintendi just has the goods. His bat speed might well be his best asset to me. Studies pitchers well and disciplines himself. Stays cool. Great approach and doesn't strike out much for a guy with his pop. But the most impressive thing to me is his bat speed. He can wait forever before swinging and that is such a huge asset and the biggest reason why he had an edge to me as our #1 guy. I think he adjusts well to mlb. I'm confident he will be able to handle the off speed stuff well and control both sides of the plate.
In all honesty, he reminds me of a left handed Mookie. He can drive the ball already. He can handle that inside pitch and drive it. He has exceptional bat speed.
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Post by dnfl333 on Aug 4, 2016 18:56:13 GMT -5
Benintendi just has the goods. His bat speed might well be his best asset to me. Studies pitchers well and disciplines himself. Stays cool. Great approach and doesn't strike out much for a guy with his pop. But the most impressive thing to me is his bat speed. He can wait forever before swinging and that is such a huge asset and the biggest reason why he had an edge to me as our #1 guy. I think he adjusts well to mlb. I'm confident he will be able to handle the off speed stuff well and control both sides of the plate. In all honesty, he reminds me of a left handed Mookie. He can drive the ball already. He can handle that inside pitch and drive it. He has exceptional bat speed. And don't forget, AB generates great bat speed..
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Aug 4, 2016 20:05:26 GMT -5
Benintendi just has the goods. His bat speed might well be his best asset to me. Studies pitchers well and disciplines himself. Stays cool. Great approach and doesn't strike out much for a guy with his pop. But the most impressive thing to me is his bat speed. He can wait forever before swinging and that is such a huge asset and the biggest reason why he had an edge to me as our #1 guy. I think he adjusts well to mlb. I'm confident he will be able to handle the off speed stuff well and control both sides of the plate. In all honesty, he reminds me of a left handed Mookie. He can drive the ball already. He can handle that inside pitch and drive it. He has exceptional bat speed. And don't forget, AB generates great bat speed.... lol And you are so impressive that I don't remember even one of your posts out of 342. It's like you were not even here. Man, that is just so funny isn't it. lol
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 4, 2016 20:53:01 GMT -5
“@jmastrodonato: Benintendi has started once in three games, might not start at all in Dodgers series, depends on matchups.”
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Post by scarr0214 on Aug 5, 2016 0:41:12 GMT -5
“@jmastrodonato: Benintendi has started once in three games, might not start at all in Dodgers series, depends on matchups.” This is what I was worried about. Benintendi needs to be playing almost everyday to get a rhythm at the big league level. Why on earth is Brentz still playing???
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Post by soxjim on Aug 5, 2016 7:43:47 GMT -5
He had 4.0 and 4.8 WAR seasons with us, and 8.6 WAR season in Atlanta, a 4.2 WAR season in LA, and 3.8 and 5.6 WAR seasons in St Louis. A 45.9 career fWAR player. He was very good. I'm looking at baseball_reference and I see he only had 1 year of above 4.0 WAR for the sox. It was in 2009 at 4.4. His next best WAR year was 2010 at 3.1.
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Post by nomar on Aug 5, 2016 9:47:01 GMT -5
He had 4.0 and 4.8 WAR seasons with us, and 8.6 WAR season in Atlanta, a 4.2 WAR season in LA, and 3.8 and 5.6 WAR seasons in St Louis. A 45.9 career fWAR player. He was very good. I'm looking at baseball_reference and I see he only had 1 year of above 4.0 WAR for the sox. It was in 2009 at 4.4. His next best WAR year was 2010 at 3.1. I used fWAR. fWAR uses UZR to determine defensive value and bWAR (which you used) uses DRS to calculate defensive value. UZR had Drew as a much better fielder than DRS did. I tend to side with UZR more so than DRS, and I personally thought Drew was very good in RF, especially at Fenway.
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Post by nomar on Aug 5, 2016 9:47:44 GMT -5
“@jmastrodonato: Benintendi has started once in three games, might not start at all in Dodgers series, depends on matchups.” 😑
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Post by ianrs on Aug 5, 2016 9:56:26 GMT -5
“@jmastrodonato: Benintendi has started once in three games, might not start at all in Dodgers series, depends on matchups.” If true and not just speculation, what a joke and yet another organizational failure.
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Post by humanbeingbean on Aug 5, 2016 10:17:44 GMT -5
Nothing like developing a young and talented player by having him ride the pine.
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Post by ematz1423 on Aug 5, 2016 10:29:54 GMT -5
Really do not understand the point in calling him up if the plan is to platoon him when you know you are probably going to face a heavy diet of lefties during this week. I would have to imagine this isn't exactly going to help his development. I could kind of understand it if it was Chris Young they were platooning him with as that is why Chris Young was signed, but platooning with Bryce Brentz..
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Post by nomar on Aug 5, 2016 10:34:29 GMT -5
To be fair, Brentz is crushing lefties to the tune of a 92 wRC+.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Aug 5, 2016 12:06:10 GMT -5
The one thing I can say in defense of not playing Benintendi is that it is his first full professional season and if you want him to be good down the stretch and into October, it's probably good to give him a breather here and there. And he can probably learn a lot in his off days at the major league level that he wouldn't have learned at AA. I don't think he needs to be an everyday guy to justify the call up. On the other hand, I do think he needs to play more than he has so far.
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Post by templeusox on Aug 5, 2016 12:14:37 GMT -5
“@jmastrodonato: Benintendi has started once in three games, might not start at all in Dodgers series, depends on matchups.” If true and not just speculation, what a joke and yet another organizational failure. This can't possibly be true. I mean, it literally can not possibly be true.
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Post by glassox on Aug 5, 2016 13:04:38 GMT -5
I really love this website but I can't stand how much people criticize every move. So what if he doesn't start every game, he is spending time with one of the greatest left handed hitters of all time. I bet he also plays more games this year than his previously high. Do we want to run him out there every time against tough lefties? Do we really want him used as a pinch hitter late in games like last night as people were calling for in the gameday thread? I believe confidence is very important and would rather not rush him into games.
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Post by ematz1423 on Aug 5, 2016 13:49:33 GMT -5
I really love this website but I can't stand how much people criticize every move. So what if he doesn't start every game, he is spending time with one of the greatest left handed hitters of all time. I bet he also plays more games this year than his previously high. Do we want to run him out there every time against tough lefties? Do we really want him used as a pinch hitter late in games like last night as people were calling for in the gameday thread? I believe confidence is very important and would rather not rush him into games. You are correct ideally he wouldn't play against really tough lefties right now, but which of the lefties that the Sox faced this week were "tough lefties"? He definitely should have played last night against that lefty with a 5.5 ERA. He needs to get AB's against lefties sooner or later.
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Post by soxfanatic on Aug 5, 2016 14:04:30 GMT -5
Do you think we can get #ABneedsABs trending?
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Post by kman22 on Aug 5, 2016 14:56:48 GMT -5
Do you think we can get #ABneedsABs trending? If you start it, they'll retweet?
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Post by dnfl333 on Aug 5, 2016 16:13:49 GMT -5
I really love this website but I can't stand how much people criticize every move. So what if he doesn't start every game, he is spending time with one of the greatest left handed hitters of all time. I bet he also plays more games this year than his previously high. Do we want to run him out there every time against tough lefties? Do we really want him used as a pinch hitter late in games like last night as people were calling for in the gameday thread? I believe confidence is very important and would rather not rush him into games. Where u from, Detriot? It's Boston, your d@mn right were complaining about every move. Last night's LHP was giving it up to left handed batters at a .300 clip. No need to sit the kid last night.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Aug 5, 2016 18:48:34 GMT -5
Benintendi's splits are not that bad against left handed pitching but it doesn't hurt him much to come off the bench when a reliever comes in during the Dodger series. He will get enough PT. He's probably worn down a little even as he's not that used to pro ball. I have no problem with him coming off the bench for a while and relieving some of the pressure. Particularly in this scenario.
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Post by wcp3 on Aug 5, 2016 19:58:00 GMT -5
I actually like the idea of Benintendi platooning as he adjusts to the major leagues. Just not with Brentz.
Unfortunately, the Red Sox have a dope for a manager.
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 5, 2016 20:54:12 GMT -5
I'm looking at baseball_reference and I see he only had 1 year of above 4.0 WAR for the sox. It was in 2009 at 4.4. His next best WAR year was 2010 at 3.1. I used fWAR. fWAR uses UZR to determine defensive value and bWAR (which you used) uses DRS to calculate defensive value. UZR had Drew as a much better fielder than DRS did. I tend to side with UZR more so than DRS, and I personally thought Drew was very good in RF, especially at Fenway. Rawlings decided they wanted to have a metric component to the Gold Glove awards (in addition to the traditional voting), and that they wanted to furthermore supply that metric to all the voters, FYI-style. They got SABR to convene a committee of defensive metric experts, who evaluated all of the existing metrics (7 of them, IIRC Chris Dial's presentation of this at this year's SABR conference). They developed a weighted combination of what they found to be the three best metrics -- I believe it's called the SABR Defensive Index. DRS has the heaviest weight, Chris Dial's own RED (a UZR precursor) is a second component, and I believe that Sean Smith's Total Zone may be the 3rd component, and that UZR is not in there at all. (I was running a 5 1/2 hour sleep debt that morning ... I should ask Chris for the details). Short version is that DRS is much more accurate than UZR, especially now. They may well have been closer years ago, but DRS has been improved continually while UZR has not.
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Post by joshv02 on Aug 6, 2016 6:27:59 GMT -5
It's a single week where they are trying to get him used to travel, media, routine, and ml talent.
It's just not a big deal. But this board is bow dominated by hyperbole.
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