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Post by jluna09 on Jan 5, 2013 12:43:28 GMT -5
With the additions of Gomes, Nap and Vic and Drew, our strike out totals for our starting line up is projected to increase from 735 last year to 912 this year or a 23% increase. For a team that struck out 1197 times last year, It appears the Oakland A's will not hold their strikeout record for long. Guess Shaq Thompson fit perfectly in our organizational philosophy.
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Post by jmei on Jan 5, 2013 14:04:13 GMT -5
1) I would like to see your source/math. I don't think you're wrong, I'm just curious about methodology (for instance, did you use 2012 strikeout rates projected forward or career rates?).
2) The team should also significantly increase the number of walks it takes and will probably improve in power output as well, which should offset any increase in strikeouts. The 2012 team didn't strike out much because they gave a ton of at bats to guys like Loney (106 PAs), Aviles (546), Ciriaco (272), Sweeney (219), and Podsednik (216) that didn't strike out much but couldn't get on base or hit for power, either.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Jan 5, 2013 16:13:07 GMT -5
Possibly true, but one of the reasons Cherington went after these particular players was their ability to make a pitcher throw more pitches and allow us to get to their middle relievers more often. There will be more K's, more walks, and potentially longer games (once again).
There is a big difference between a Salty strikeout and one with a Napoli. Personally, I hate it when a player does not put the ball in play, but I do understand the effectiveness of driving up the pitch count. It works!
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Post by nomar on Jan 7, 2013 12:17:26 GMT -5
At least we'll be walking a lot more.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Jan 7, 2013 14:03:23 GMT -5
At least we'll be walking a lot more. I guess you could say: they will still strike out, but it will take longer for them to get back to the dugout!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2013 21:01:46 GMT -5
I have this idea of low-quality low-average hitters and high-quality low-average hitters. Usually the reason guys hit for low average is because they strikeout a lot.
A low-quality low-average hitter is a guy like saltalamacchia, drew stubbs, or colby rasmus. they may hit alot of homeruns, but they strikeout a ton. the problem is that they are extreme free-swingers. they swing at everything, don't work the count, and have three pitch at-bats. what accompanies that .230 average is often a .280 obp.
A high-quality low-average hitter is a guy like napoli, adam dunn, mark reynolds, or carlos pena. I'm not saying that these guys are exactly desirable players, in fact not really at all, but they are better than the ones mentioned before. although they still strikeout a ton, they don't swing at everything, they work the count, they make the pitcher work and have long quality at-bats. the biggest thing is that they walk alot. they may have averages of around .220, but their obp hits around .340, which is very good. that is better than asdrubal cabreras, hanley ramirez, and ian kinslers obp.
my point is we should not focus on the amount of strikeouts. we should be more concerned about batting average and obp. some guys who strikeout alot still have a good average. (mo vaughn, andrew mccutchen) we should be more concerned about low-quality low average hitters like salty. if it was up to me, i'd trade salty because of his intolerable obp. lavarnway could do much better and he is way better defensively. although i strongly prefer a higher average hitter, im somewhat okay with a low-average hitter as long as he has a high obp.
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