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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Aug 18, 2016 15:02:49 GMT -5
Tazawa needs to be relegated to the Abad Island...otherwise known as the land where you are not allowed to pitch in a close and late game.
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Post by ianrs on Aug 18, 2016 15:02:56 GMT -5
Say what you want about Farrell and/or the umps, but Tazawa is absolutely cooked. Maybe that's on Farrell too though so...
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Post by Guidas on Aug 18, 2016 15:03:35 GMT -5
This pen is just brutal. Losing the game all at once. Again.
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Post by justen on Aug 18, 2016 15:03:38 GMT -5
Ziegler kinda seemed like a good choice to start that inning...
Tazawa looks like he needs a break
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Post by mattpicard on Aug 18, 2016 15:04:17 GMT -5
Tazawa has been completely fried for some time and it's been obvious. Nice job, JF.
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Post by nomar on Aug 18, 2016 15:05:11 GMT -5
Ziegler kinda seemed like a good choice to start that inning... Tazawa looks like he needs a break Tazawa should be DFA'd IMO. We don't have the time or wiggle room to be testing out his dead arm, he's FA bound and would accept a QO, and Farrell is in love with him despite his struggles.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 18, 2016 15:05:44 GMT -5
Ugh. This bullpen absolutely kills us, especially when Farrell pushes the wrong buttons. What was wrong with Ziegler pitching the 8th and Kimbrel the 9th?
Tazawa is cooked. Another great Farrell decision will help turn an in-your-face win into an aggravating loss.
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Post by jmei on Aug 18, 2016 15:08:39 GMT -5
Uh, the Red Sox didn't let Wilson leave for nothing, he was part of the Cespedes-for-Porcello trade. And I think he was considered a throw-in by most. At the time, he looked like a guy who might knock around for a little while as a fungible middle reliever. He's substantially outperformed expectations. I'm still not convinced he's more than a solid middle reliever. Career 2.71 ERA, but just a 4.09 SIERA, and it's only been 176 career innings.
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Post by mattpicard on Aug 18, 2016 15:08:55 GMT -5
Forget his other 500 horrible decisions this year. This move, in isolation, to bring Tazawa in over Ziegler when Ziegler obviously was available, is one that should show upper management that the manager is not the right guy to lead your team. I don't care about the recent win streak -- I would fire him instantly. Whether we win or lose, JF just gave away a probable W, for no reasonable explanation other than he's an idiot.
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Post by rangoon82 on Aug 18, 2016 15:11:07 GMT -5
Forget his other 500 horrible decisions this year. This move, in isolation, to bring Tazawa in over Ziegler when Ziegler obviously was available, is one that should show upper management that the manager is not the right guy to lead your team. I don't care about the recent win streak -- I would fire him instantly. Whether we win or lose, JF just gave away a probable W, for no reasonable explanation other than he's an idiot. Zeigler's not exactly killing it himself.
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Post by telson13 on Aug 18, 2016 15:11:17 GMT -5
Say what you want about Farrell and/or the umps, but Tazawa is absolutely cooked. Maybe that's on Farrell too though so... You would think the manager would be aware of that, though, and not continually deluding himself into the mindset of "I didn't burn out his arm, see? I'll prove it to you all!!"
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Post by jmei on Aug 18, 2016 15:11:32 GMT -5
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Post by mattpicard on Aug 18, 2016 15:11:38 GMT -5
Pete Abraham @peteabe 3m3 minutes ago Predictions within 24 hours: 1. Taz back on DL 2. Papelbon on board
I can't believe I'm saying this, but here goes... since JF cooked Taz and he's likely going to be ineffective for the rest of the year, I'd rather have Jonathan Papelbon in the pen.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 18, 2016 15:12:27 GMT -5
So a tired team gets a lead and then the rug is pulled out by putting the absolute wrong relievers in the game. Can I join in the "arrrgggggs".
These are the types of games that a team with designs on going deep into the playoffs simply must win.
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Post by nomar on Aug 18, 2016 15:12:28 GMT -5
Ballgame. This decision takes the cake. I don't think managers typically matter all that much, but putting Tazawa in was suicide and everyone in the world knew it. Absolutely baffling, it's insanity. Pete Abraham @peteabe 3m3 minutes ago Predictions within 24 hours: 1. Taz back on DL 2. Papelbon on board I can't believe I'm saying this, but here goes... since JF cooked Taz and he's likely going to be ineffective for the rest of the year, I'd rather have Jonathan Papelbon in the pen. No question. It's sad and I love Taz, but he's worthless to this org now as his contract is up and we need to win.
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Post by jmei on Aug 18, 2016 15:12:34 GMT -5
Forget his other 500 horrible decisions this year. This move, in isolation, to bring Tazawa in over Ziegler when Ziegler obviously was available, is one that should show upper management that the manager is not the right guy to lead your team. I don't care about the recent win streak -- I would fire him instantly. Whether we win or lose, JF just gave away a probable W, for no reasonable explanation other than he's an idiot. Zeigler's not exactly killing it himself. To be fair, the single he gave up is an out if the first baseman doesn't have to play in.
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Post by mattpicard on Aug 18, 2016 15:12:43 GMT -5
Pete Abraham @peteabe 3m3 minutes ago Predictions within 24 hours: 1. Taz back on DL 2. Papelbon on board I can't believe I'm saying this, but here goes... since JF cooked Taz and he's likely going to be ineffective for the rest of the year, I'd rather have Jonathan Papelbon in the pen. Caveat: I'd still probably prefer Heath Hembree to face RHH's than Papelbon.
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Post by tizzle on Aug 18, 2016 15:13:17 GMT -5
Forget his other 500 horrible decisions this year. This move, in isolation, to bring Tazawa in over Ziegler when Ziegler obviously was available, is one that should show upper management that the manager is not the right guy to lead your team. I don't care about the recent win streak -- I would fire him instantly. Whether we win or lose, JF just gave away a probable W, for no reasonable explanation other than he's an idiot. Yeah, it would be such a big win too, given the turnaround and Buch starting, keeping the momentum going. But he just gave it away on a guy who's obviously not good enough right now.
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Post by brendan98 on Aug 18, 2016 15:13:22 GMT -5
Forget his other 500 horrible decisions this year. This move, in isolation, to bring Tazawa in over Ziegler when Ziegler obviously was available, is one that should show upper management that the manager is not the right guy to lead your team. I don't care about the recent win streak -- I would fire him instantly. Whether we win or lose, JF just gave away a probable W, for no reasonable explanation other than he's an idiot. I just left my desk at work where I was following the game on my phone, went to the parking garage, got in my car, closed the doors and screamed at the top of my lungs. Why can't management recognize that Farrell is killing this team?
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Post by jmei on Aug 18, 2016 15:13:39 GMT -5
Pete Abraham @peteabe 3m3 minutes ago Predictions within 24 hours: 1. Taz back on DL 2. Papelbon on board I can't believe I'm saying this, but here goes... since JF cooked Taz and he's likely going to be ineffective for the rest of the year, I'd rather have Jonathan Papelbon in the pen. Caveat: I'd still probably prefer Heath Hembree to face RHH's than Papelbon. We both know that won't happen. If they sign Papelson, he'll immediately be used in the classic setup man role.
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Post by mgoetze on Aug 18, 2016 15:14:31 GMT -5
"They were not going to get a double play", Remy says, but it sure looked like a possibility to me if Xander had gotten that ball home faster.
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Post by jmei on Aug 18, 2016 15:14:53 GMT -5
If Bogaerts doesn't double-clutch there, they have a good shot at a double play. His defense has really slipped as well.
ADD: Remy's rationalization seems wrong to me. Ball wasn't hit particularly slowly, and it wasn't a super-fast runner.
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Post by mattpicard on Aug 18, 2016 15:15:02 GMT -5
Caveat: I'd still probably prefer Heath Hembree to face RHH's than Papelbon. We both know that won't happen. If they sign Papelson, he'll immediately be used in the classic setup man role. No doubt. Just wanted to make it clear that my preference for Papelbon over Tazawa wasn't me wishing for Papelbon to be the guy I'd go to in a situation like this inning.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 18, 2016 15:15:39 GMT -5
If Bogaerts doesn't double-clutch there, they have a good shot at a double-play. His defense has really slipped as well. He is having a pretty big crisis of confidence all around right now.
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Post by jmei on Aug 18, 2016 15:16:29 GMT -5
Good ol' Salty.
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