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8/23 Gameday Thread: Rowdy Ronny Raudes. PawSox face Giolito
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Post by iakovos11 on Aug 22, 2016 21:38:43 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 22, 2016 23:14:20 GMT -5
3B Portland Moncada
3B Salem Devers
3B Greenville Chavis
3B Lowell Dalbec
Can Chavis pitch ? He's about to get passed by again (Not meaning a Benintendi style Dalbec promo to the Drive, he started late because of the CWS)..
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Post by amfox1 on Aug 23, 2016 7:17:12 GMT -5
Lowell is playing Vermont. Pitchers are correct.
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 23, 2016 7:20:39 GMT -5
Happy 18th birthday Jason Groome! Here's the box score from the day Groome was born: www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/MIN/MIN199808230.shtmlPedro beat Brad Radke and the Twins 5-1. He went six shutout innings striking out four and giving up four hits. John Valentin doubled twice and homered, scoring three runs. Mo Vaughn was 3 for 4 with a walk and two RBI. Darren Bragg (!!) was 4 for 5. Some stiff of a first baseman named David Ortiz went 0 for 3 with a strikeout for the Twins. Ron Coomer pinch hit for him in his last at-bat. EDIT - The win brought the Red Sox to 76-52. Which was still 18 1/2 games behind the Yankees. That sounds like a ridiculous jokey exaggeration but that's actually how far they were behind the Yankees despite having nearly a .600 winning percentage. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 23, 2016 9:17:05 GMT -5
3B Portland Moncada 3B Salem Devers 3B Greenville Chavis 3B Lowell Dalbec Can Chavis pitch ? He's about to get passed by again (Not meaning a Benintendi style Dalbec promo to the Drive, he started late because of the CWS).. Wow. Hadn't thought of it, but yeah, 3B is loaded right now. Trying to think of the last time 3B was this strong. Probably when Middlebrooks and Almanzar were in the low minors and Jorge Jimenez had fringy potential in the upper minors? And that's not even close. |
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 23, 2016 9:47:22 GMT -5
It's stronger now, but back in 2013 Middlebrooks was still a guy though he'd graduated a year earlier, Cecchini was raking, there was a lot of thought that Bogaerts and/or (longer shot) Swihart might end up there, Almanzar climbed back into the Top 20, and Devers had just signed.
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 23, 2016 10:18:04 GMT -5
No surprise that the top 6 wRC+ in all of pro ball, minimum 90 PA, are all short-season guys. But one of these things is not like the other:
194 Franklin Rollin, Tex, CF, repeating the DSL at age 20
197 Brian Sanchez, StL, RF, ditto
200, Jacob Heyward, SF, LF, 18th round pick, 20, Ariz
203, Andrison Pena, Tex, 3B, 19, DSL. Not a top 50 international prospect.
211, Andrew Calica, Cle, LF, 22, 11th round pick out of UC Santa Barbara in NYPL
241, Bobby Dalbec
The second-best performance by an actual prospect is the Mets' Desmond Lindsay, their 2nd round pick last year and #8 prospect, who played CF against the Spinners last night and went 2/3, BB. He's at 193 between 5 games in the GCL and the rest for Brookyln.
Mets also have the next guy, last year's #2 international prospect Andres Gimenez, who is 190 playing SS in the DSL at age 17.
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Post by nomar on Aug 23, 2016 10:22:04 GMT -5
No surprise that the top 6 wRC+ in all of pro ball, minimum 90 PA, are all short-season guys. But one of these things is not like the other: 194 Franklin Rollin, Tex, CF, repeating the DSL at age 20 197 Brian Sanchez, StL, RF, ditto 200, Jacob Heyward, SF, LF, 18th round pick, 20, Ariz 203, Andrison Pena, Tex, 3B, 19, DSL. Not a top 50 international prospect. 211, Andrew Calica, Cle, LF, 22, 11th round pick out of UC Santa Barbara in NYPL 241, Bobby Dalbec The second-best performance by an actual prospect is the Mets' Desmond Lindsay, their 2nd round pick last year and #8 prospect, who played CF against the Spinners last night and went 2/3, BB. He's at 193 between 5 games in the GCL and the rest for Brookyln. All this really tells me at this point is that Dalbec belongs in Greenville, if not Salem. Senzel is destroying A ball, Collins is doing well in A+, Ray is off to a slower start in A+. Dalbec has nothing to prove in Lowell. |
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Post by jamesmcgillstatue on Aug 23, 2016 11:39:05 GMT -5
The Carolina League will have a new look next year, and the Salem Red Sox will have two new opponents. Kinston will rejoin the league as a Texas Rangers' affiliate and a second city, probably Fayetteville, will be added, with the Houston Astros as the likely parent. Concurrently, the California League will contract from ten to eight teams, with Bakersfield and High Desert dropping out. Seattle currently has a PDC with Bakersfield; they may replace the Astros in (old friend) Lancaster. Their poor Low A pitchers!  Only other potential impact on the Red Sox is that the Kinston and Fayetteville territories would no longer be considered IF the Appalachian League were to expand. I know there was discussion a year or two ago that the Red Sox might add a seventh domestic farm club at the Rookie-Advanced level. MILB.com link |
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Post by ramireja on Aug 23, 2016 11:48:38 GMT -5
It's stronger now, but back in 2013 Middlebrooks was still a guy though he'd graduated a year earlier, Cecchini was raking, there was a lot of thought that Bogaerts and/or (longer shot) Swihart might end up there, Almanzar climbed back into the Top 20, and Devers had just signed. Middlebrooks, Cecchini, potentially Bogaerts, Almanzar.......with all of those options who would have guessed that our starting 3B to begin 2016 was actually someone else in the farm system. Travis Shaw - 1B. Thats basically like Jantzen Witte overcoming Moncada, Devers, Dalbec, and Chavis to claim the 3B job in 2019. |
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 23, 2016 12:10:52 GMT -5
It's stronger now, but back in 2013 Middlebrooks was still a guy though he'd graduated a year earlier, Cecchini was raking, there was a lot of thought that Bogaerts and/or (longer shot) Swihart might end up there, Almanzar climbed back into the Top 20, and Devers had just signed. Middlebrooks, Cecchini, potentially Bogaerts, Almanzar.......with all of those options who would have guessed that our starting 3B to begin 2016 was actually someone else in the farm system. Travis Shaw - 1B. Thats basically like Jantzen Witte overcoming Moncada, Devers, Dalbec, and Chavis to claim the 3B job in 2019. Yeah, that's crazy to think about in hindsight. This will go back a way, but that reminds me of the late 90's when they had John Valentin at third, with Cole Liniak and Wilton Veras looking like real prospects, and then ended up with Shea Hillenbrand (who was originally a catcher) as their starting 3B. |
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Post by telson13 on Aug 23, 2016 12:19:53 GMT -5
No surprise that the top 6 wRC+ in all of pro ball, minimum 90 PA, are all short-season guys. But one of these things is not like the other: 194 Franklin Rollin, Tex, CF, repeating the DSL at age 20 197 Brian Sanchez, StL, RF, ditto 200, Jacob Heyward, SF, LF, 18th round pick, 20, Ariz 203, Andrison Pena, Tex, 3B, 19, DSL. Not a top 50 international prospect. 211, Andrew Calica, Cle, LF, 22, 11th round pick out of UC Santa Barbara in NYPL 241, Bobby Dalbec The second-best performance by an actual prospect is the Mets' Desmond Lindsay, their 2nd round pick last year and #8 prospect, who played CF against the Spinners last night and went 2/3, BB. He's at 193 between 5 games in the GCL and the rest for Brookyln. All this really tells me at this point is that Dalbec belongs in Greenville, if not Salem. Senzel is destroying A ball, Collins is doing well in A+, Ray is off to a slower start in A+. Dalbec has nothing to prove in Lowell. Sure looks that way, doesn't it? Promote him to a K rate of 25%, I say. He clearly has the NYPL pitching figured out. |
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Post by RedSoxStats on Aug 23, 2016 13:24:38 GMT -5
Speaking of minor league wRC+: Deven Marrero ranks 1020th of 1022 players with 300+ PA.
Lin 974th
Javier Guerra 993rd
Coyle 1007th
Rijo 1016th
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Post by nomar on Aug 23, 2016 13:27:47 GMT -5
Speaking of minor league wRC+: Deven Marrero ranks 1020th of 1022 players with 300+ PA Glad they chose to go the "high-floor" route rather than that burnout Joey Gallo that a lot of people here wanted. |
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Post by bosox81 on Aug 23, 2016 13:35:28 GMT -5
Speaking of minor league wRC+: Deven Marrero ranks 1020th of 1022 players with 300+ PA Glad they chose to go the "high-floor" route rather than that burnout Joey Gallo that a lot of people here wanted. Technically, that route they chose was not so different from when they chose JBJ. Also, I remain a Gallo skeptic. |
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Post by nomar on Aug 23, 2016 13:50:26 GMT -5
Glad they chose to go the "high-floor" route rather than that burnout Joey Gallo that a lot of people here wanted. Technically, that route they chose was not so different from when they chose JBJ. Also, I remain a Gallo skeptic. I do too, although he is a good trade chip. I was just messing around. Although I was never high on Marrero. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 23, 2016 15:47:02 GMT -5
Chavis to Salem. Nothing exciting goes with it though, like Dalbec or Devers.
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Post by Costigan on Aug 23, 2016 15:50:01 GMT -5
Chavis to Salem. Nothing exciting goes with it though, like Dalbec or Devers. I'd assume that Chavis primarily plays DH and takes a couple 3rd base starts from Devers? Can't imagine it's going to be an even split. |
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Post by ejenson on Aug 23, 2016 16:15:48 GMT -5
Hate to see Michael go but good luck. Hopefully we can get Dalbec up to Gville for the stretch run. Still have a chance at playoffs
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 23, 2016 16:26:10 GMT -5
Chavis to Salem. Nothing exciting goes with it though, like Dalbec or Devers. I'd assume that Chavis primarily plays DH and takes a couple 3rd base starts from Devers? Can't imagine it's going to be an even split. Salem only has 14 regular season games left including today, so it's not a huge deal. And Devers has already played as much as he did last year so it wouldn't hurt to get a few days off. |
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Post by jchang on Aug 23, 2016 18:32:44 GMT -5
I see Lowell having 2 HR in 11st inning, wondering how Dalbec managed that. Then I see he is not in the lineup. Where is Dalbec? Greenville?
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Post by amfox1 on Aug 23, 2016 18:44:57 GMT -5
I see Lowell having 2 HR in 11st inning, wondering how Dalbec managed that. Then I see he is not in the lineup. Where is Dalbec? Greenville? I'm here. Chatham hit the first pitch from Chalmers for a no-doubter to LF. Ryan Scott followed with a Jack to dead-center. Steen sitting 87-89, without much control. |
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Post by iakovos11 on Aug 23, 2016 18:58:29 GMT -5
I see Lowell having 2 HR in 11st inning, wondering how Dalbec managed that. Then I see he is not in the lineup. Where is Dalbec? Greenville? I'm here. Chatham hit the first pitch from Chalmers for a no-doubter to LF. Ryan Scott followed with a Jack to dead-center. Steen sitting 87-89, without much control. Is Steen even an org guy Amfox? I think he's released in the spring unless there's a 180 somehow, but I don't see it. I had some hopes for him when they seemed to extend to sign him for more than I thought they would (he was worth). He's supposedly an athletic guy, but never seemed to add velocity or develop an outstanding 2nd pitch or develop good control. Tough to sit in the high 80's with little control. |
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Post by brnichols19873 on Aug 23, 2016 19:18:16 GMT -5
Moncada three run shot!!!
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Aug 23, 2016 19:39:07 GMT -5
Speaking of minor league wRC+: Deven Marrero ranks 1020th of 1022 players with 300+ PA Glad they chose to go the "high-floor" route rather than that burnout Joey Gallo that a lot of people here wanted. I mean, in fairness, Gallo has a 47.5% K rate in the major leagues. He's a better player than Marrero right now but in the context of how much of a crapshoot the draft is, the outcomes for those two are almost identical (a guy who made it to the majors but probably won't be any good, a guy who made it and might be good someday). It's not like passing on Trout (which almost every team did) or Goldschmidt (which every team did many times) or something. |
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