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Trumbo, Encarnacion, Bautista
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Post by ryan24 on Aug 30, 2016 11:30:42 GMT -5
I wouldn't do any of the above. This teams offense should be fine without a big addition and you have the possibility adding either Travis or Moncada during the season. Sandoval isn't going anywhere so you might as well see if he can bring something anything either at first or third. Yea yea he's below average at first but the lineup is above average to great at a bunch of other spots so the collective is good. Spending long term dollars on anyone affects things when looking to resign Bogaerts, Betts, Bradley, ERod and anyone else. It even affects thing when just when they hit arbitration. A lineup consisting of these guys should be very good: Leon (C) Shaw/Panda (3b/1b) Pedroia (2b) Xander (SS) Betts (rf) Bradley (cf) Benintendi (lf) Hanley (DH) Bench: Holt Young Catcher Free agent Teach Young how to play first base or let Hanley play first while Young DHs in certain spots. Spend the money on shorter term options like in the bullpen or something. Agreed. I really do not want to trade for freeman either. But I think that is a better option than one of the3 included ee at dh. Historically braves look at pitching first, but having said that 8 of their top 12 prospects are pitchers. Moncada and owens or Johnson might be an interesting trade. I think the key will be how travis comes back. Where will moncada play and what shape panda comes back. If travis is healthy that would add a lot to the lineup. You never know what Dave will do but based on what happen this past spring I think panda is gone come spring and they see how healthy he is. Is moncada ready for the bigs and 3rd. Do not know what they think of young? Has not been impressive this year even when healthy. Maybe they look at Riddick again? I do not think they make a move until the spring. I think between the expected money these guys will want and probably losing a draft pick I do not see the ee dh thing happening. Maybe in the spring they come back to freeman and goldschmidt
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Post by brendan98 on Aug 30, 2016 11:41:41 GMT -5
No way the Sox trade Moncada for Freeman straight up, let alone adding a pitching prospect.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Aug 30, 2016 12:22:45 GMT -5
JC. Am I the only one out there scared to death about a CI of Sandoval/Shaw? You would be replacing Papi with Pablo. I don't think we can wait until spring to make a move. If Pablo goes through a workout in the fall showing he can be productive AFTER MISSING AN ENTIRE YEAR, I guess I can get on board. IMO Freeman/Goldy would cost more than EE in prospects vs $$$. Leon is coming back down to earth. Shaw came back down to earth in May. LF should improve, the rest of the starters are what they are.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Aug 30, 2016 12:36:44 GMT -5
JC. Am I the only one out there scared to death about a CI of Sandoval/Shaw? You would be replacing Papi with Pablo. I don't think we can wait until spring to make a move. If Pablo goes through a workout in the fall showing he can be productive AFTER MISSING AN ENTIRE YEAR, I guess I can get on board. IMO Freeman/Goldy would cost more than EE in prospects vs $$$. Leon is coming back down to earth. Shaw came back down to earth in May. LF should improve, the rest of the starters are what they are. If Pablo struggles, release him and play Moncada at 3b. If Shaw struggles and Pablo looks good, move Pablo to 1b and Shaw to bench. If Pablo and Shaw are playing well. Try to move part of Pablo's contract. If both struggle, play Moncada at 3b and trade for a 1b at that point. Lackey was out of shape and missed a year because of surgery. Came back in much better shape and is still doing well.
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Post by brendan98 on Aug 30, 2016 13:08:38 GMT -5
If we could get Napoli back on a 2 year deal, id be all for that.
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Post by ryan24 on Aug 30, 2016 18:09:58 GMT -5
No way the Sox trade Moncada for Freeman straight up, let alone adding a pitching prospect. Not saying they would. Just guessing at what braves would ask for. Freeman right now is the cornerstone for the braves, I think it would take a lot to get him. He is probably in the same category as sales was at the trade deadline. DDo would consider the asking price way TOO high.
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Post by soxjim on Aug 31, 2016 0:02:28 GMT -5
A guy like Freeman should be the 1st priority if we want to go heavy whether it be fa or trade. You see what needs to get done to get him. Not only is he young (which EE isn't). It also means we should see a progression or at least not a regression (like we more than likely would with EE. IMO to say he is like Papi isn't real. No one is like Papi.). Plus he gives Sox a lefty at the top of the order which they could use. He's a better player than EE so ofc we're going to give up more. And we're the ones paying $20m, while Atlanta will stink for a while - more than likely beyond next year.
There are pieces to get him. For example, trade Clay and you get minor league prospects and you package it with the many player's we have. Or you have ERod as the main piece. Or JBJ. If you trade ERod you still have 5 starters locked in. If you trade JBJ you still have Beni for CF and Young and Holt for LF while eventually moving Moncada to left field as Devers comes closer to making it in future years.
Freeeman gives us a left bat that can hit to all fields while keeping Hamley off the field. You give up more - sure- but then you don't have these awkwards games of using Clay in the 8th. Or having both Owens and Johnson in the minors. Why are they there if we have 5-6 other starters. One is insurance. Two isn't that necessary.
Freeman is a big time player. In order to get a big time player you have to give up. EE is not as good as Freeman now and Freeman will be much better in years that follow.
They can score enough next year even without big moves. For the cheap moves- I don't want Napoli though he'd be okay. I'd look for a cheap lefty 1b/dh. They don't need the risk of a regressing expensive EE.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 31, 2016 7:51:35 GMT -5
Clay isn't netting you a prospect worth a damn.
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Post by dcsoxfan on Aug 31, 2016 8:20:00 GMT -5
The Red Sox have the top offence in the AL by a significant margin. They also have potentially five solid or better bats -- Swihart, Benintendi, Moncada, Devers, Travis -- to integrate into the roster. They should be able to score plenty of runs even after Ortiz retires.
I would prefer to see them use the DH spot to get additional at bats for their young players, and use their financial resources on next year's bullpen, which will require a rebuild.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 31, 2016 8:23:44 GMT -5
How much are the slumps of certain players like Xander/JBJ/Shaw and even Hanley at times are related to getting worn down with so few off days? How much would the entire team benefit from getting a day per week break as the DH? To me, it just looks like some of them are tired. Other than Mookie, he is a superhero.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Aug 31, 2016 9:42:08 GMT -5
The Red Sox have the top offence in the AL by a significant margin. They also have potentially five solid or better bats -- Swihart, Benintendi, Moncada, Devers, Travis -- to integrate into the roster. They should be able to score plenty of runs even after Ortiz retires. I would prefer to see them use the DH spot to get additional at bats for their young players, and use their financial resources on next year's bullpen, which will require a rebuild. I'm all for giving guys days off & integrating them to the DH spot. Those 5 you mentioned, you could only pencil in AB to be ready by opening day. Swihart may need some time in AAA. Moncada will only have had a handful of games @ 3B under his belt & has to iron out his K issues. Travis may need until the AS break. Devers is a year or 2 away. Shaw is plummeting. Sandoval, well, you know...If EE is too expensive, maybe Mitch Moreland or Brandon Moss?
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Post by ryan24 on Aug 31, 2016 10:57:57 GMT -5
The Red Sox have the top offence in the AL by a significant margin. They also have potentially five solid or better bats -- Swihart, Benintendi, Moncada, Devers, Travis -- to integrate into the roster. They should be able to score plenty of runs even after Ortiz retires. I would prefer to see them use the DH spot to get additional at bats for their young players, and use their financial resources on next year's bullpen, which will require a rebuild. I like the idea. This will be an area this winter that will be interesting to see what DDo will do. At this year's trade deadline he seemed reluctant to trade a lot for one player. sales. Will he add a big salary for an old player with the young guys coming in a few years looking for big bucks.
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Post by slam761 on Sept 1, 2016 22:48:21 GMT -5
Not sue if he's been mentioned, but what about Justin Turner? He could play 3B until Moncada seems ready and then maybe shift to 1B with Hanley becoming the DH. I know that would be wasting some of Turner's value because he's a pretty good defensive 3B, but I'd rather have him than the other 3 and I don't trust Shaw as an everyday guy right now.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 2, 2016 3:06:20 GMT -5
Of course if Shohei Otani is posted, I'd take him over anybody in the off-season. I wouldn't care if they made another move after getting Otani.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Sept 2, 2016 8:49:52 GMT -5
Of course if Shohei Otani is posted, I'd take him over anybody in the off-season. I wouldn't care if they made another move after getting Otani. Nice read on Otani www.fangraphs.com/blogs/how-good-is-shohei-otani/ ....2 way player. Lead Nippon League in OPS. High 90's FB. Has yet to be posted from what I understand.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 2, 2016 9:15:18 GMT -5
Of course if Shohei Otani is posted, I'd take him over anybody in the off-season. I wouldn't care if they made another move after getting Otani. Nice read on Otani www.fangraphs.com/blogs/how-good-is-shohei-otani/ ....2 way player. Lead Nippon League in OPS. High 90's FB. Has yet to be posted from what I understand. You would hear about it if he were posted. A lot.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 9, 2016 4:19:42 GMT -5
FanGraphs has introduced a fabulous Splits Tool, where you can combine multiple splits together.
First thing I checked was this:
At home, Travis Shaw in his career has a 117 wRC+ versus RHP and a 139 vs LHP. He was 132 / 184 last year, 105 / 96 this year.
On the road, he's 97 vs RHP and 78 vs. LHP. He was 47, 138 last year and 112, 25 this year.
The sample sizes are still quite small but the combined splits confirm the guess you'd make from the individual ones: he's really only been an offensive drag vs. LHP on the road.
Chris Young is 75 vs RHP and 77 vs. LHP in Fenway, and 123 and 340 (in 24 PA) on the road. Pretty much opposite what we expected, home / road.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 9, 2016 11:46:26 GMT -5
FanGraphs has introduced a fabulous Splits Tool, where you can combine multiple splits together. First thing I checked was this: At home, Travis Shaw in his career has a 117 wRC+ versus RHP and a 139 vs LHP. He was 132 / 184 last year, 105 / 96 this year. On the road, he's 97 vs RHP and 78 vs. LHP. He was 47, 138 last year and 112, 25 this year. The sample sizes are still quite small but the combined splits confirm the guess you'd make from the individual ones: he's really only been an offensive drag vs. LHP on the road. Chris Young is 75 vs RHP and 77 vs. LHP in Fenway, and 123 and 340 (in 24 PA) on the road. Pretty much opposite what we expected, home / road. Here's the thing though - his ops vs LHP comes almost entirely from slugging, at least this season. His OBP still isn't great at right about .310. This year, he's slugging .519 at home with a .273 OBP vs LHP (and these actually improve if you remove April, which is really counterintuitive). Even more counterintuitive is that his power looks like it's all to the pull side, so I'm lost on why this is.
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Post by lennsakata on Sept 9, 2016 13:49:22 GMT -5
This I could see. He's mashing LHP, and would allow us to sit Shaw vs any LHP (you could play he or Hanley at 1B). And since he was traded he can't be offered a QO. I like the no-QO thing, plus the fact that he's moderately passable in the OF, a switch-hitter, and probably amenable to a one-year deal. Not to mention the INSANE postseason numbers. ftw.usatoday.com/2015/12/new-york-yankees-carlos-beltran-retirement-hall-of-fame-case-mlbHe mentioned before the season he'd retire or maybe play one more...so I think he's good with a one year deal.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 9, 2016 17:30:38 GMT -5
FanGraphs has introduced a fabulous Splits Tool, where you can combine multiple splits together. First thing I checked was this: At home, Travis Shaw in his career has a 117 wRC+ versus RHP and a 139 vs LHP. He was 132 / 184 last year, 105 / 96 this year. On the road, he's 97 vs RHP and 78 vs. LHP. He was 47, 138 last year and 112, 25 this year. The sample sizes are still quite small but the combined splits confirm the guess you'd make from the individual ones: he's really only been an offensive drag vs. LHP on the road. Chris Young is 75 vs RHP and 77 vs. LHP in Fenway, and 123 and 340 (in 24 PA) on the road. Pretty much opposite what we expected, home / road. Here's the thing though - his ops vs LHP comes almost entirely from slugging, at least this season. His OBP still isn't great at right about .310. This year, he's slugging .519 at home with a .273 OBP vs LHP (and these actually improve if you remove April, which is really counterintuitive). Even more counterintuitive is that his power looks like it's all to the pull side, so I'm lost on why this is. The likeliest explanation for Shaw's crazy splits is that he's super-streaky, and the splits are not evenly distributed over the streaks. For instance, last year on the road he saw all his LHP when he was hot (hence the 138 wRC+), and this year, he was always cold (hence 25). He has a reverse split at home because he happened to see most of the LHP when he was going good. If I had the time I would add hot / cold to the 4 splits for each year, but that would mean a lot of work. Don't let me do it. Please.
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Post by brendan98 on Sept 20, 2016 20:52:58 GMT -5
I didn't read this whole thread, so I apologize if this has been brought up already, but I think Josh Reddick would be a great platoon partner with Young to effectively fill the DH spot. We would have 5 outfielders who would all be considered strong defensively., which would allow the Sox to use the DH to keep all of the outfielders fresh.
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