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Post by telson13 on Oct 27, 2016 23:21:50 GMT -5
Moncada is out for a couple days with a thumb injury. He's expected to be back on Friday. Jamie Callahan hasn't yet allowed a run in five outings, striking out five and walking one. I wouldn't think much of that, but he was better than I realized in the second half for Salem, too. He didn't give up any runs in 13 of his final 15 appearances, striking out 25 against only 9 walks in 23 2/3. He had a 9.7% walk rate during that stretch, down from 14.9% beforehand. And he only allowed one homer all season, though we saw how tough Salem played this year. Even though he's been around seemingly forever, he just turned 22 in August. I called Callahan as a pitching sleeper in a preseason poll (2015), and I'd been pretty bummed since. But yeah, he was consistently a lot better in the second half, and he's still got very good stuff. He was young (17) at signing, and I thought his curve would be a real good pitch. I've long ago accepted he'll never be the 2/3 I hoped when drafted, but I still watch him in the box scores. Gotta be encouraged with the AFL performance so far. He's probably an 8th inning arm at best, but his chances of becoming one are at least intact. I'm really rooting for him.
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Post by telson13 on Oct 27, 2016 23:22:58 GMT -5
Moncada is out for a couple days with a thumb injury. He's expected to be back on Friday. Jamie Callahan hasn't yet allowed a run in five outings, striking out five and walking one. I wouldn't think much of that, but he was better than I realized in the second half for Salem, too. He didn't give up any runs in 13 of his final 15 appearances, striking out 25 against only 9 walks in 23 2/3. He had a 9.7% walk rate during that stretch, down from 14.9% beforehand. And he only allowed one homer all season, though we saw how tough Salem played this year. Even though he's been around seemingly forever, he just turned 22 in August. Nice to hear Callahan is finally showing improvement. I was very high on him when we drafted him. Hah! You beat me to it. But yeah, me too.
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Post by jimoh on Oct 28, 2016 9:04:08 GMT -5
Having Cleveland in the WS prompts some reading on the eponymous Indian, Louis Sockalexis, who excelled for two years at Holy Cross and joined the Indians later and started well, but had a short career doomed by alcohoi. One thing that struck me was the description ins this story of Sockalexis as a burly muscular specimen who could also outrun anyone on the team--like Moncada! He also excelled at handball and could do gymnastic tricks. "The 25-year-old Sockalexis (who told the club that he was only 23) arrived at practice in top condition. Despite his muscular build, he easily defeated all his new teammates in footraces. Tebeau organized handball contests to keep his players active, and Sockalexis had no trouble winning all his matches. He also displayed his talent at gymnastics. "Sockalexis, who is quite a gymnast, occasionally breaks out with some caper that would tear the ordinary man in two," reported the Plain Dealer on March 26." sabr.org/bioproj/person/2b1aea0a
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Post by borisman on Oct 28, 2016 9:57:33 GMT -5
Happy Michael Kopech day aside, why doesn't deepjohn have an avatar chosen by one of the staff members. I am deeply (no pun intended) concerned with the integrity of this website. It's like the NFL headquarters.
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Post by jmei on Oct 28, 2016 11:27:20 GMT -5
True story: I've won something like a half-dozen of the avatar bets over the years (and have never lost), but have yet to collect on one. It just brings me no joy to actually enforce the thing.
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 28, 2016 11:30:22 GMT -5
True story: I've won something like a half-dozen of the avatar bets over the years (and have never lost), but have yet to collect on one. It just brings me no joy to actually enforce the thing. Understandable. But, counterargument:
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Post by borisman on Oct 28, 2016 12:55:42 GMT -5
True story: I've won something like a half-dozen of the avatar bets over the years (and have never lost), but have yet to collect on one. It just brings me no joy to actually enforce the thing. At least make him pick one out himself or let the board decide by starting a poll. You know it's going to be a dead period soon so some excitement could be used around here.
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Post by deepjohn on Oct 28, 2016 22:33:22 GMT -5
True story: I've won something like a half-dozen of the avatar bets over the years (and have never lost), but have yet to collect on one. It just brings me no joy to actually enforce the thing. This one was a push because he had the dead-arm injury in September, and the condition of the bet was that, barring an injury, he would be called up. So to decide this, I bet that (again, barring injury) he makes the team early next year, which has the same effect as a Sept. callup (which is that he starts the option clock next year).
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Post by deepjohn on Oct 28, 2016 22:36:47 GMT -5
True story: I've won something like a half-dozen of the avatar bets over the years (and have never lost), but have yet to collect on one. It just brings me no joy to actually enforce the thing. Understandable. But, counterargument: Love it. karma is a b|T(6. Other ideas anyone?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 29, 2016 1:29:11 GMT -5
True story: I've won something like a half-dozen of the avatar bets over the years (and have never lost), but have yet to collect on one. It just brings me no joy to actually enforce the thing. This one was a push because he had the dead-arm injury in September, and the condition of the bet was that, barring an injury, he would be called up. So to decide this, I bet that (again, barring injury) he makes the team early next year, which has the same effect as a Sept. callup (which is that he starts the option clock next year). How many pitchers have been called up without pitching in AA? I'm a huge Kopech guy, look at my avatar, but there was just no chance he was going to be in bigs last year. The chances he is in majors early next year are slim, very slim. I could see second half of the year, maybe as a bullpen guy to limit innings.
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Post by m1keyboots on Oct 29, 2016 10:37:05 GMT -5
True story: I've won something like a half-dozen of the avatar bets over the years (and have never lost), but have yet to collect on one. It just brings me no joy to actually enforce the thing. That is what makes you a G. Wish you worked in Charlestown, at the races.
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Post by deepjohn on Oct 29, 2016 13:04:41 GMT -5
This one was a push because he had the dead-arm injury in September, and the condition of the bet was that, barring an injury, he would be called up. So to decide this, I bet that (again, barring injury) he makes the team early next year, which has the same effect as a Sept. callup (which is that he starts the option clock next year). How many pitchers have been called up without pitching in AA? I'm a huge Kopech guy, look at my avatar, but there was just no chance he was going to be in bigs last year. The chances he is in majors early next year are slim, very slim. I could see second half of the year, maybe as a bullpen guy to limit innings. Dombrowski in an interview said they did talk about bringing Kopech up. But they already had Kelly throwing 100. In hindsight, the playoffs are being dominated by teams with the best pitching. The Red Sox got out-pitched and given perfect hindsight now, I think they wish they could have tried him. But the dead-arm injury ruled that out. Now I'm betting that he will prove to be their best pitcher early next year. The pessimists griped about his lack of control or command. Apart from the dead-arm injury, that proved to be unwarranted. In the AFL, he's already had 12 Ks and only one BB and 10 hits, against some very high quality hitters. In his first AFL start, he was actually perfect. In his second AFL start he had several seeing eye ground ball singles. He did give up a fly ball homer in the third start to a very good hitter (Gettys). This evaluator saw him twice in the AFL and now gives him the highest rating, and expects him to be an All-Star: www.todaysknuckleball.com/al/boston-red-sox/pleskoff-scouting-report-michael-kopech/Keith Law saw Kopech's first AFL start and also projected him to be a TOR starter (ESPN Insider), with a plus slider. I think it's fairly well accepted that there is a reliable statistical translation from A to MLB. No need to waste pitches in MiLB, when the translation shows he could be learning while getting MLB outs. Love your avatar. You get it.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 29, 2016 14:49:55 GMT -5
I just think a GM thinking about it and him in anyway being close to doing something is not the same. The dead-arm was to be expected, he has yet to build up his arm to be able to pitch a ton of innings. That's why we all said he wouldn't be called up, that along with not having pitched in AA. Kopech had one of the best stretches of any pitching prospect every. So of course DD thought about, but if you asked him if he was ever real close to doing it, he would say nope.
The reason he needs let's say a half season at AA is that more advanced hitters will show you how good or bad his command/control is. Look at Moncada, he dominated the lower levels, but at AA and majors the strikeouts became a big issue. Same thing with Owens, dominated the lower minors, but his flaws showed up against more advanced hitters. When teams started having detailed scouting reports and game plans.
I think the bet should be you need to have a Bobby Valentine avatar for the full 2017 season if your wrong. I can't think of anything worse than you having to see that face when you post a comment.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 29, 2016 21:43:04 GMT -5
How many pitchers have been called up without pitching in AA? I'm a huge Kopech guy, look at my avatar, but there was just no chance he was going to be in bigs last year. The chances he is in majors early next year are slim, very slim. I could see second half of the year, maybe as a bullpen guy to limit innings. Dombrowski in an interview said they did talk about bringing Kopech up. But they already had Kelly throwing 100. In hindsight, the playoffs are being dominated by teams with the best pitching. The Red Sox got out-pitched and given perfect hindsight now, I think they wish they could have tried him. But the dead-arm injury ruled that out. Now I'm betting that he will prove to be their best pitcher early next year. The pessimists griped about his lack of control or command. Apart from the dead-arm injury, that proved to be unwarranted. In the AFL, he's already had 12 Ks and only one BB and 10 hits, against some very high quality hitters. In his first AFL start, he was actually perfect. In his second AFL start he had several seeing eye ground ball singles. He did give up a fly ball homer in the third start to a very good hitter (Gettys). This evaluator saw him twice in the AFL and now gives him the highest rating, and expects him to be an All-Star: www.todaysknuckleball.com/al/boston-red-sox/pleskoff-scouting-report-michael-kopech/Keith Law saw Kopech's first AFL start and also projected him to be a TOR starter (ESPN Insider), with a plus slider. I think it's fairly well accepted that there is a reliable statistical translation from A to MLB. No need to waste pitches in MiLB, when the translation shows he could be learning while getting MLB outs. Love your avatar. You get it. There is no dead arm injury. Alex Speier speculated that maybe he was going through some sort of dead arm period when he completely lost his command for two weeks at the end of the season. That's not the same as him being hurt. Do you seriously think if he was hurt they would have let him pitch? He tweaked his calf in warmups and they held him out for two weeks after the promotion to Salem. He wasn't hurt. No shame in it, but you lost the bet. Man up and wear it. Also, I'd like to make a late suggestion:
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Post by deepjohn on Oct 30, 2016 2:20:49 GMT -5
Dombrowski in an interview said they did talk about bringing Kopech up. But they already had Kelly throwing 100. In hindsight, the playoffs are being dominated by teams with the best pitching. The Red Sox got out-pitched and given perfect hindsight now, I think they wish they could have tried him. But the dead-arm injury ruled that out. Now I'm betting that he will prove to be their best pitcher early next year. The pessimists griped about his lack of control or command. Apart from the dead-arm injury, that proved to be unwarranted. In the AFL, he's already had 12 Ks and only one BB and 10 hits, against some very high quality hitters. In his first AFL start, he was actually perfect. In his second AFL start he had several seeing eye ground ball singles. He did give up a fly ball homer in the third start to a very good hitter (Gettys). This evaluator saw him twice in the AFL and now gives him the highest rating, and expects him to be an All-Star: www.todaysknuckleball.com/al/boston-red-sox/pleskoff-scouting-report-michael-kopech/Keith Law saw Kopech's first AFL start and also projected him to be a TOR starter (ESPN Insider), with a plus slider. I think it's fairly well accepted that there is a reliable statistical translation from A to MLB. No need to waste pitches in MiLB, when the translation shows he could be learning while getting MLB outs. Love your avatar. You get it. There is no dead arm injury. Alex Speier speculated that maybe he was going through some sort of dead arm period when he completely lost his command for two weeks at the end of the season. That's not the same as him being hurt. Do you seriously think if he was hurt they would have let him pitch? He tweaked his calf in warmups and they held him out for two weeks after the promotion to Salem. He wasn't hurt. I posted some research on dead-arm injuries at the time it happened here. TL/DR: Dead-arm is a real injury but it's difficult to diagnose because the pitcher often does not feel pain. As the orthopedic surgeon quoted there explains, "The brain is trying to protect your body, and it basically lowers your fastball in order to prevent you from damaging your arm." He got a rest, and now fortunately, his control and command in the AFL, 12 Ks/1 BB, are right back to where he was before the injury. Aside: The pic looks like it came from gossip website about a personal snapchat. I think I like JD's happy Margot a little better.
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Post by ramireja on Oct 30, 2016 9:24:53 GMT -5
Dude you're proving yourself to be as delusional and stubborn in your claim of a voided bet as were you about Kopech's rise to stardom. Stop it already.
PS. Law only recognized the upside of a TOS starter, he did not project it. Thats essentially the consensus of everyone on this board not named deepjohn.
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Post by costpet on Oct 30, 2016 10:40:37 GMT -5
Anybody notice that Dubon is quietly having a very nice AFL stint? .293 ave .846 OPS 2 Hr's while playing center field. Could be a sleeper in promotions.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 30, 2016 11:12:01 GMT -5
He did all of that research on dead arm injuries otherwise known as worn down just to continue his fantasy and avoid admitting he was 100% wrong.
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Post by iakovos11 on Oct 30, 2016 13:12:24 GMT -5
Jesus, can we NOT derail this thread with Kopech delusions?
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Post by deepjohn on Oct 30, 2016 14:04:31 GMT -5
... Law only recognized the upside of a TOS starter, he did not project it. Thats essentially the consensus of everyone on this board not named deepjohn. Good for everyone, I was just going on the former consensus that is still posted ... www.soxprospects.com/players/kopech-michael.htmAnd you're right, I shouldn't put words in Law's mouth, who said...
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Post by deepjohn on Oct 30, 2016 16:22:10 GMT -5
He did all of that research on dead arm injuries otherwise known as worn down just to continue his fantasy and avoid admitting he was 100% wrong. Well, for a long time concussions were otherwise known as dizzy. Dead-arm injuries actually do show up as a pathology on an MRI (see above), and they are serious injuries. An outward manifestation is a sudden unexplained loss of control or feel, and the control returns when the pitcher rests. That's consistent with what happened here for two games, after Kopech hit his 60 innings mark. Fortunately, he got rest at the end of the season, and got better, instead of trying to play through it, which is what happens too often with undiagnosed sports injuries.
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Post by ramireja on Oct 30, 2016 18:09:54 GMT -5
He did all of that research on dead arm injuries otherwise known as worn down just to continue his fantasy and avoid admitting he was 100% wrong. Well, for a long time concussions were otherwise known as dizzy. Dead-arm injuries actually do show up as a pathology on an MRI (see above), and they are serious injuries. An outward manifestation is a sudden unexplained loss of control or feel, and the control returns when the pitcher rests. That's consistent with what happened here for two games, after Kopech hit his 60 innings mark. Fortunately, he got rest at the end of the season, and got better, instead of trying to play through it, which is what happens too often with undiagnosed sports injuries. Cool. You actually do realize that it was never officially reported that Kopech had a "dead-arm injury." Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is only speculation.....and since it fits your narrative, you're run with it, which is pretty much your MO. For example: Kopech has an excellent outing = future ace that could succeed in majors right now. Kopech struggles = Kopech has dead arm, or hitters so baffled by god-like Kopech that they don't swing and since Kopech is specifically trying to pitch off plate there is an illusion of a control problem. Google "Kopech dead arm" and the first thing that comes up is your babbling. When a guy doesn't go on the DL but struggles, you can't just speculate its because of a ghost injury and then call the bet off. Theres no honor in that kind of move.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 30, 2016 19:09:15 GMT -5
He did all of that research on dead arm injuries otherwise known as worn down just to continue his fantasy and avoid admitting he was 100% wrong. Well, for a long time concussions were otherwise known as dizzy. Dead-arm injuries actually do show up as a pathology on an MRI (see above), and they are serious injuries. An outward manifestation is a sudden unexplained loss of control or feel, and the control returns when the pitcher rests. That's consistent with what happened here for two games, after Kopech hit his 60 innings mark. Fortunately, he got rest at the end of the season, and got better, instead of trying to play through it, which is what happens too often with undiagnosed sports injuries. So what was the result of Kopech's MRI?
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Post by deepjohn on Oct 30, 2016 20:18:15 GMT -5
Well, for a long time concussions were otherwise known as dizzy. Dead-arm injuries actually do show up as a pathology on an MRI (see above), and they are serious injuries. An outward manifestation is a sudden unexplained loss of control or feel, and the control returns when the pitcher rests. That's consistent with what happened here for two games, after Kopech hit his 60 innings mark. Fortunately, he got rest at the end of the season, and got better, instead of trying to play through it, which is what happens too often with undiagnosed sports injuries. Cool. You actually do realize that it was never officially reported that Kopech had a "dead-arm injury." Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is only speculation.....and since it fits your narrative, you're run with it, which is pretty much your MO. For example: Kopech has an excellent outing = future ace that could succeed in majors right now. Kopech struggles = Kopech has dead arm, or hitters so baffled by god-like Kopech that they don't swing and since Kopech is specifically trying to pitch off plate there is an illusion of a control problem. Google "Kopech dead arm" and the first thing that comes up is your babbling. When a guy doesn't go on the DL but struggles, you can't just speculate its because of a ghost injury and then call the bet off. Theres no honor in that kind of move. My interest in dead-arm has little to do with a bet. I am really interested in our greatest pitching prospect in a generation, in my eyes, and trying to understand his sudden emergence, which is happening before all of our eyes. Dead-arm injuries are typically diagnosed backwards, by looking at the performance of the pitcher. The pitcher himself is often "asymptomatic". Pitchers don't need an MRI right away. They might skip a start, and often don't need a trip to the DL They hopefully just rest (or worse, pitch through it). If dead-arm doesn't improve with rest, then an MRI or DL is called for. Speier pointed this out at the time. Here, the season ended, and Kopech got rest. Now, he is pitching in the AFL with very good control again (12 Ks/ 1 BB over 3 games, ten innings). That is a good thing.
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Post by thebogeyman on Oct 31, 2016 14:59:25 GMT -5
Michael Kopech and *cough* Trey Ball *cough* named to the AFL West Fall Stars team: mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/afl/club.jsp?team_id=1311. I obviously haven't seen any games, but his stats do not exactly look all-star worthy. I guess maybe it's a meaningless designation? EDIT: I just noticed his game log, and it looks like he was okay other than one awful game, but that game was truly awful.
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