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Post by ericmvan on Sept 1, 2016 11:08:07 GMT -5
Do they lose a year of service for doing this now? No, it changes nothing except starting the options clock since he'll be added to the 40 man. Baring a major injury, that shouldn't be a concern. The main question is not whether he's here now, the main question is if he's on the 25 man when the Sox break camp next spring. The only way it burns an extra option is if they hadn't done it, and next year he was selected and never sent down, or spent the whole time in the minors and was never selected. So it's pretty much moot. If he turns out to need an option next year, i.e., he needs to go back down after his first 2017 MLB exposure, that's the option he's already now needing at the start of the season. And he will have four potential options (2017 to 2020), not three, since players who burn all their options in five pro years get an extra one. If he stays in MLB once he comes up, we're not worrying about it any time soon. It matters only if: 1) He regresses terribly next year, which seems very unlikely. 2) He never goes back down after coming up next year, but pulls a WMB starting in his second or third year and needs to be an up-and-down guy as he figures things it. That's still quite unlikely (although less so). If his troubles start in 2018, he'd have through 2019 to figure it out instead of 2020 had they left him alone this year.
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Post by ematz1423 on Sept 1, 2016 11:14:30 GMT -5
My apologies if this has already been gone over but would he be available to play in the playoffs if he ends up giving them more down the stretch than Shaw/Hill?
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Post by Canseco on Sept 1, 2016 11:33:05 GMT -5
My apologies if this has already been gone over but would he be available to play in the playoffs if he ends up giving them more down the stretch than Shaw/Hill? Yep. I had the same question, and it seems Moncada would be good to go in the event that the Sox make it to the postseason.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Sept 1, 2016 12:01:29 GMT -5
If Moncada hits/sticks at 3B, what would be your ideal lineup?
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 1, 2016 12:12:11 GMT -5
If Moncada hits/sticks at 3B, what would be your ideal lineup? For the time being he's got to hit 9th. Pedroia Bogaerts Ortiz Betts Bradley Ramirez Benintendi [/Young] Leon / Vazquez Moncada / Hill JF may do just that except for Hanley 5 and JBJ 6 (which is what you'd want to do vs. LHP).
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Post by Canseco on Sept 1, 2016 12:14:15 GMT -5
If Moncada hits/sticks at 3B, what would be your ideal lineup? Assuming Benintendi can come back... Pedroia 2B Bogaerts SS Ortiz DH Betts RF Ramirez 1B Bradley CF Benintendi/Young LF Léon C Moncada 3B
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 1, 2016 12:24:07 GMT -5
So they'll probably make a move or two in the offseason, but there is a very, very real chance of a 2017 lineup of:
Pedroia 2B Moncada 3B Bogaerts SS Betts RF Ramirez DH Bradley CF Benintendi LF Shaw 1B Swihart/Vazquez C
You know how the Red Sox post their lineups in those oversized novelty baseball cards at the big gift shop across the street? They'd just need a screenshot of the SoxProspects.com banner.
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Post by telson13 on Sept 1, 2016 12:24:08 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 1, 2016 12:45:43 GMT -5
I have to imagine the smart thing to do next year is keep him in AAA for 30 days to get an extra year of control, but that may change in the CBA. There are plenty of things for him to work on.
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Post by Guidas on Sept 1, 2016 12:59:29 GMT -5
Am I the only one here who thinks that Moncada struck out too much and didn't make enough contact in AA to merit an MLB call-up (unless it's just to pinch run, and even then I am not sure what his base stealing vs. raw speed abilities are)? If you're striking out 44% of the time vs. LHP and 27% of the time vs. RHP in AA, I am trying to figure out how that improves - or is even acceptable - vs. MLB pitching.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Sept 1, 2016 13:23:58 GMT -5
I'm not sure he "pushed" his way onto the big club, as much as Shaw/Hill allowed for it.
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Post by cto94 on Sept 1, 2016 13:29:50 GMT -5
Am I the only one here who thinks that Moncada stuck out too much and didn't make enough contact in AA to merit an MLB call-up (unless it's just to pinch run, and even then I am not sure what his base stealing vs. raw speed abilities are)? If you're striking out 44% of the time vs. LHP and 27% of the time vs. RHP in AA, I am trying to figure out how that improves - or is even acceptable - vs. MLB pitching. It's a roll of the dice, but he's not going to see many lefties, and even with all the k's i think he's very likely capable of holding his own against major league righties given his AA stat line. Plus it always seems to me that when you have a guy with all the tools/athleticism that Moncada has displayed, they usually perform better than you would expect off the bat even if there are struggles down the road. There are obviously some very pronounced differences, but the best comparison in that way to me is Mookie- elitish speed, bat speed, and advanced approaches, although Mookie obviously struck out a lot less
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Post by scarr0214 on Sept 1, 2016 13:49:55 GMT -5
I feel like whether or not Moncada is ready is irrelevant at this point. The minor league season is ending, maybe he'll be able to help. If he comes out and looks excellent great, if not it isn't even close to a big deal. The exposure to a big league ball club in a playoff race is valuable enough for him to be here, whatever role he ends up being in.
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Post by radiohix on Sept 1, 2016 14:23:57 GMT -5
LinkThen why not let him learn more by getting reps in the AFL, instruct, Spring Training and AAA ball to start next year? He's too good to mess up his development and the investment too big, I hope they know what they're doing by calling him this early.
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Post by jmei on Sept 1, 2016 14:37:03 GMT -5
I wouldn't jump to any conclusions. It's no guarantee (a) that Moncada gets a significant amount of playing time at 3B, (b) that he makes the playoff roster (should the Red Sox qualify), (c) that he skips the AFL or (d) that he starts the season in MLB next year. I imagine those decisions will be played by ear and aren't set in stone yet. The Red Sox and other teams routinely call up prospects on 9/1 just to expose them to the big league atmosphere, since the minor league season only has a few games left anyways. This may not be all that different from the typical case.
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Post by GyIantosca on Sept 1, 2016 14:48:26 GMT -5
I think JBJ is perfect for the ninth spot. I wanted him to move up in order and it didn't work and when he goes back to nine he looks better. I think Benny is made for top of order. Next year. There is no Ortiz.
I cant wait till we Factor in Devers in that lineup.
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Post by sibbysisti on Sept 1, 2016 14:49:36 GMT -5
So they'll probably make a move or two in the offseason, but there is a very, very real chance of a 2017 lineup of: Pedroia 2B Moncada 3B Bogaerts SS Betts RF Ramirez DH Bradley CF Benintendi LF Shaw 1B Swihart/Vazquez C You know how the Red Sox post their lineups in those oversized novelty baseball cards at the big gift shop across the street? They'd just need a screenshot of the SoxProspects.com banner. After the season he's had, I'm sure they' l find a way to get Sandy Leon into the lineup.
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Post by cba82 on Sept 1, 2016 14:59:53 GMT -5
I've seen nothing about a corresponding roster move for Portland. Any chance Devers gets promoted (and in time for the weekend series in New Hampshire)?
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Post by Costigan on Sept 1, 2016 15:13:33 GMT -5
I've seen nothing about a corresponding roster move for Portland. Any chance Devers gets promoted (and in time for the weekend series in New Hampshire)? Devers should be playing into the playoffs in Salem.
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Post by sibbysisti on Sept 1, 2016 15:35:24 GMT -5
Outside of the Moncada promotion there have not yet been any further roster additions announced. Seems they'd already be on the West Coast charter. Perhaps later today we'll get an announcement.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Sept 1, 2016 20:23:04 GMT -5
I feel like whether or not Moncada is ready is irrelevant at this point. The minor league season is ending, maybe he'll be able to help. If he comes out and looks excellent great, if not it isn't even close to a big deal. The exposure to a big league ball club in a playoff race is valuable enough for him to be here, whatever role he ends up being in. He's also a guy who's going to be in the big leagues next year unless something goes really wrong. Now is the time for him to learn the business of being a big leaguer.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 2, 2016 15:42:41 GMT -5
I've seen nothing about a corresponding roster move for Portland. Any chance Devers gets promoted (and in time for the weekend series in New Hampshire)? Your wish has been answered. Salem is indeed sending up an infielder to finish the season with Portland. Reed Gragnani
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Post by Guidas on Sept 2, 2016 19:05:03 GMT -5
I wouldn't jump to any conclusions. It's no guarantee (a) that Moncada gets a significant amount of playing time at 3B, (b) that he makes the playoff roster (should the Red Sox qualify), (c) that he skips the AFL or (d) that he starts the season in MLB next year. I imagine those decisions will be played by ear and aren't set in stone yet. The Red Sox and other teams routinely call up prospects on 9/1 just to expose them to the big league atmosphere, since the minor league season only has a few games left anyways. This may not be all that different from the typical case. Welp: @brianmacp: Farrell: Hill will play third against lefties and Moncada will "get more of the at-bats" against righties. Shaw "is not a forgotten guy."
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Post by azblue on Sept 3, 2016 11:52:04 GMT -5
Moncada left no doubt that he has a plus arm last night. He sent a heat seeking missile across the diamond in his first fielding chance.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Sept 3, 2016 12:25:18 GMT -5
So they'll probably make a move or two in the offseason, but there is a very, very real chance of a 2017 lineup of: Pedroia 2B Moncada 3B Bogaerts SS Betts RF Ramirez DH Bradley CF Benintendi LF Shaw 1B Swihart/Vazquez C You know how the Red Sox post their lineups in those oversized novelty baseball cards at the big gift shop across the street? They'd just need a screenshot of the SoxProspects.com banner. Call me old fashioned, but I'd rather split the LHH and RHH: Pedroia 2B Moncada 3B/Benintendi LF Bogaerts SS Betts RF Bradley CF Ramirez DH Shaw 1B Leon/Swihart/Vazquez C Benintendi LF/Moncada 3B This would look even better with Encarnacion or Braun in place of Shaw (But I agree that the home grown talent is nice, which I assume was your point. Now for the pitching...)
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