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Post by patford on Sept 3, 2016 12:34:45 GMT -5
I'd like to see Sandoval at 1B next year. Mainly because if that is the case it means he will have come back in the best shape of his career and playing at a high level. It would not take a week for the fans to forgive him. Just showing up for Spring training 30 pounds lighter would get him 50% .
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Post by azblue on Sept 3, 2016 14:29:56 GMT -5
How about Sandoval playing for another team with the Sox paying up to 1/2 of his salary? That would be my preference.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 3, 2016 16:18:21 GMT -5
There are very few players that have played for the Red Sox that I liked less than Sandoval. Nothing personal. I just absolutely hate watching players swing at every single pitch. He's just a super expensive version of AJP to me.
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Post by sibbysisti on Sept 3, 2016 16:25:14 GMT -5
How about Sandoval playing for another team with the Sox paying up to 1/2 of his salary? That would be my preference. I prefer this option as well. Besides, is there any evidence that the Panda can play first base? Hanley struggled with the transition and he's a far better athlete than Pablo. If Moncada wins the 3B job, I wouldn't feel confident with Panda handling his throws.
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Post by mattpicard on Sept 3, 2016 16:48:24 GMT -5
How about Sandoval playing for another team with the Sox paying up to 1/2 of his salary? That would be my preference. I prefer this option as well. Besides, is there any evidence that the Panda can play first base? Hanley struggled with the transition and he's a far better athlete than Pablo. If Moncada wins the 3B job, I wouldn't feel confident with Panda handling his throws. Sandoval has played nearly 500 MLB innings @ 1B, spanning five seasons, the most recent being 2012. 156 games and 1,305 innings in the minors. So not at all like Hanley's situation. Pablo has pretty good hands -- it's his range that's the main concern, and also, at first base, his sub-6' height isn't ideal.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Sept 3, 2016 18:42:01 GMT -5
Not your prototypical first baseman.
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Post by grandsalami on Sept 3, 2016 20:36:10 GMT -5
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Post by ryantoworkman on Sept 3, 2016 22:50:01 GMT -5
His innocence is endearing because he is a respectful young man. Respectful of the Hastings; respectful of the process; respectful of the Red Sox; and most important for his long term success, respectful for the game. This is in stark contrast to another hugely talented kid from Cuba who didn't seem to get the respect thing in his first go round with the Dodgers. Let's hope, as fans of the game, he learned his lesson with the recent demotion. I don't know where on the diamond he will eventually land, but his skill set is hugely exciting.
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Post by DesignatedKyle on Sept 3, 2016 22:58:02 GMT -5
I love this guy more and more and more every day.
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Post by patford on Sept 3, 2016 23:22:21 GMT -5
People recently were totally down on John Lester and totally down on Ramirez. All I am saying is it takes about a week for fans to completely change their minds. I believe in Sandoval and think he will have his best year ever next year.
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Post by soxjim on Sept 4, 2016 0:24:28 GMT -5
People recently were totally down on John Lester and totally down on Ramirez. All I am saying is it takes about a week for fans to completely change their minds. I believe in Sandoval and think he will have his best year ever next year. I wasn't on either of your examples and I think you're way wrong on Pablo. Glad that Moncada is called up and hopeful that shortly into next year we could put an end to Pablo playing 3rd ever again in a sox uniform.
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Post by burythehammer on Sept 4, 2016 4:29:01 GMT -5
I still feel like there's more to his story than has been reported. I'm not sure I totally buy that him having a child with this Banks woman was the sole reason the Cuban government allowed him to leave the country. I have no conspiracy theories, it just seems like it would take more unique circumstances than that.
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Post by tonyc on Sept 5, 2016 11:37:40 GMT -5
I think there were some big payoffs involved to get him out of the country
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Post by Guidas on Sept 5, 2016 15:55:29 GMT -5
I think there were some big payoffs involved to get him out of the country I also seem to recall the Cuban govt taking a big chunk (like half) of his bonus and salary. Could be wrong on that one but I thought I read that in the reporting.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Sept 5, 2016 16:20:09 GMT -5
I love this guy more and more and more every day. Yeah, you may love him now, but if he keeps eating 225 twinkles in a week and starts making Panda look like a marathon runner, then we'll see what you say.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 5, 2016 16:37:23 GMT -5
Given how hungry I get on days I have a "hard" workout* for my standards, I can only imagine the amount of fuel that it takes to keep that body running. * = I am sure that my max lifts are barely Moncada's warm-up reps.
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Post by Guidas on Sept 5, 2016 16:41:09 GMT -5
Sounds like he's a Basset Hound with better hands and more speed.
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Post by soxjim on Sept 6, 2016 0:34:02 GMT -5
He looks a bit overmatched so far at the plate, or am I wrong about this? I thought Beni looked great but right now Moncada looks like he needs more time in minor league ball.
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Post by scarr0214 on Sept 6, 2016 2:35:02 GMT -5
He looks a bit overmatched so far at the plate, or am I wrong about this? I thought Beni looked great but right now Moncada looks like he needs more time in minor league ball. Way way way too early to even mention this kind of stuff. He hasn't even been here a week.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 6, 2016 4:53:55 GMT -5
He looks a bit overmatched so far at the plate, or am I wrong about this? I thought Beni looked great but right now Moncada looks like he needs more time in minor league ball. Way way way too early to even mention this kind of stuff. He hasn't even been here a week. I agree about it being way to early to draw any conclusions...but his K rate in the minor leagues this year gives me real concern about whether he should be getting at bats right now. I am really not sure why he was called up at all, but I am willing to give the FO and development guys the benefit of the doubt here.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 6, 2016 8:04:58 GMT -5
Almost every player who strikes out 3 times in a row in a game looks over matched even a 7 year veteran.
That being said, we knew he struck out a lot and that's likely to continue in the majors especially this season.
He didn't look so over-matched when he was 4 for his first 10 with a walk and a strikeout.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 6, 2016 8:13:37 GMT -5
So they'll probably make a move or two in the offseason, but there is a very, very real chance of a 2017 lineup of: Pedroia 2B Moncada 3B Bogaerts SS Betts RF Ramirez DH Bradley CF Benintendi LF Shaw 1B Swihart/Vazquez C Based on the little that we've seen this year, I think a more likely scenario had Benintendi higher in the order and Moncada lower. Leon should definitely be the starting catcher as well. Pedroia 2B Benintendi LF Bogaerts SS Betts RF Ramirez DH Moncada 3B Shaw 1B Leon C Bradley CF The middle of their lineup is very RHH so it would be ideal if by mid season you could swap Benintendi and Xander. Could also see Shaw 9 and Bradley in the 6 or 7 spot - with Moncada in the other. Swithart and Vasquez will be interesting watches.... Leon had just been so good and it's not like he's old so I'm not sure why we would be so quick to try to force one of the other guys in there. They've both shown to not be major league starting caliber catchers yet.
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Post by deepjohn on Sept 6, 2016 13:11:52 GMT -5
I continue to worry that Moncada can't hit MLB pitching quite good enough yet, once opponents get enough data to exploit his weaknesses. I think his hitting may take another year or two to develop before he can reach his potential, similar to Espinoza.
If true (and the experiment is ongoing), this means they could trade Moncada in the off-season to a team that can assume the risk (or afford to wait), as they did Espinoza.
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Post by ryan24 on Sept 6, 2016 15:17:17 GMT -5
I continue to worry that Moncada can't hit MLB pitching quite good enough yet, once opponents get enough data to exploit his weaknesses. I think his hitting may take another year or two to develop before he can reach his potential, similar to Espinoza. If true (and the experiment is ongoing), this means they could trade Moncada in the off-season to a team that can assume the risk (or afford to wait), as they did Espinoza. WOW If you trade moncada what do you get for him? First guy I have heard interested in a trade or suggesting a trade is possible. When I mentioned it I got stomped on pretty good. Freeman or sales maybe. But moncada would only be part of the trade, probably have to throw something else in on both sides. But I totally agree that moncada is probably 1 to 2 years away from seeing his true potential on the hitting end and making contact.
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Post by ryan24 on Sept 6, 2016 15:23:56 GMT -5
I think we have plenty of time, 1-2 yrs, to wait on moncada. But maybe, example would be if the angels called and said they would give us trout for moncada, how can you say no. Is that likely to happen? I do not think so!!!Your options at 3rd until moncada gets his feet under him, holt and shaw,are not terrible. Pablo I think is gone even if he comes to camp in great shape. I think we eat salary and ask low level prospects and go from there.
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