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Wright getting second opinion on shoulder
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Post by soxjim on Sept 4, 2016 14:38:55 GMT -5
I've not made any claims about the magnitude of the mistake or that it was an mistake because Wright got hurt. I agree that it's not a significant mistake-- certainly far from a fireable offense. But it was a mistake, and I find it crazy that there are so many folks here who steadfastly defend it.
Like the rest of us you have no idea why the choice was made. Wright was once an every day player, no idea of Drew's past. Not sure why you are so strong that it was the wrong move. You said the results didn't influence you. What do you know, that the rest of us don't? He understands logic that Pomz has already been running this past year while your mention of Wright from a long time ago is irrelevant. He's not making believe that there is such a bad injury to Pomz that he couldn't run for Red Sox but was fine with Padres. As far as Wright and his days as an every day player, why not mention Wright's high school days too?
Many of us have an idea the manager is incompetent. So why is it such a hard time for some of you to believe he botched this too? Why all of s sudden is it okay for him to break away from how he normally manages and how he looks at risk? That's what some of us don't understand from posters such as yourself. |
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Post by wcsoxfan on Sept 4, 2016 14:48:52 GMT -5
My general belief is that it's OK to pinch-run a starting pitcher for an NL team, in my opinion, because NL starting pitchers have the potential of reaching base and having to run, therefore should have occasional practice running bases which would prepare the to pinch run. AL pitchers, on the other hand, will only run the basis if they are pinch running or they are playing in an NL park and reach base.
So the 2 questions i have are:
1. Do AL pitchers have enough practice running the basis in order to not get injured running the bases
2. Should an AL pitcher EVER be used as a pinch runner in a situation aside from 'if we scores here we win the WS' scenario.
I think jmei's general argument is less 'pomeranz vs wright' and more 'the manager wasn't prepared to make a decision in that situation and he simply picked the first name that came to mind'. I don't think this is a fire-able offense, but as Farrel has been consistently unprepared he should be fired (but not for this occasion in and of itself)
My 2 cents: if the WS is on the line and they need a pinch runner, i would encourage putting Buch in there (as he claims to have beaten Jacoby in a foot race) - everything else is a grey area.
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 4, 2016 14:59:55 GMT -5
I've not made any claims about the magnitude of the mistake or that it was an mistake because Wright got hurt. I agree that it's not a significant mistake-- certainly far from a fireable offense. But it was a mistake, and I find it crazy that there are so many folks here who steadfastly defend it. What is your point exactly? That Drew was less likely to get hurt? He has a bigger injury history than Wright. That Drew is somehow less important to the team so losing him wouldn't be too big of a blow? He's been arguably a better pitcher this year than Wright, but even if you don't think so, it's clearly close enough that they're pretty much the same, losing either would have been a blow. That Drew was more athletic and would have netted better results? That's a negligible difference, it's not like he is Usain Bolt or something. The point is that Drew could have been hurt there, maybe not 100% as likely but it's certainly close enough that's a judgment call, and that losing him would have been just as big. The reason I feel strongly about this is because it is just about the clearest example of a bad decision (process-wise, not results-wise) that I can remember in recent history. Yet the pro-Farrell folks here still steadfastly defend it. It's emblematic of how political the whole Farrell argument has become. Folks on both sides aren't willing to give an inch. I can't speak for our awesome group because we haven't had our monthly meeting yet (although we will have barbecue and beers and the topic for discussion will be "Why Joe Maddon sucks"... Again), but IMO it was not a bad decision for the reasons you're pointing. Like I said previously, if you think that no pitcher should be used there, that's fine. I even agree that's a bit risky. But if you think that the decision was bad because the wrong pitcher was used, well that's not fine. |
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Post by ray88h66 on Sept 4, 2016 15:03:05 GMT -5
Like the rest of us you have no idea why the choice was made. Wright was once an every day player, no idea of Drew's past. Not sure why you are so strong that it was the wrong move. You said the results didn't influence you. What do you know, that the rest of us don't? He understands logic that Pomz has already been running this past year while your mention of Wright from a long time ago is irrelevant. He's not making believe that there is such a bad injury to Pomz that he couldn't run for Red Sox but was fine with Padres. As far as Wright and his days as an every day player, why not mention Wright's high school days too?
Many of us have an idea the manager is incompetent. So why is it such a hard time for some of you to believe he botched this too? Why all of s sudden is it okay for him to break away from how he normally manages and how he looks at risk? That's what some of us don't understand from posters such as yourself. Fair question, I don't think he's incompetent. My judgement may well be clouded. I'm tired of reading what a idiot he is. I think he's average at best, Win or lose I want a new manager next year, just to read some new posts. |
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Post by soxjim on Sept 4, 2016 15:06:32 GMT -5
I don't believe a word you are saying here and imo you are being deliberately argumentative. On a prior post on this thread you said the following:
Wright was chosen because he was the starting pitcher in the previous night's game, which is absolutely common practice.
Your post here clearly implies that you do know what Farrell's thinking was. Now you are trying a different tact.
And for you to say on a later post you think he should be fired too - I find it beyond belief that you could question other posters for believing this incompetent manager just made another awful move rather than your made-up suggestion that it could be due to the pre-condition San Diego injury. For those of us that believe he is incompetent with all the other moves Farrell made, and see that Pomeranz was running well enough in San Diego, along with Farrell completely breaking away from his managerial style by risking an experience and slow top tier starter, then there should be absolutely no sane reason for you to believe many of us right with the continued incompetence of Farrell regarding this move, rather than you throwing a dart with a potential Pomz injury. After you were initially arguing not an injury but every other manger would have ran him too. You're throwing darts hoping one sticks.
I think it so bizarre that for someone who says they think JF should be fired and you see that this move went against his entire managerial philosophy that you could then try to make up that it might have been because of an injury rather than incompetence. If you truly lost confidence in him as you suggest as a manager (which is why he should be fired), then how can you doubt that he probably just broke away from how he normally manages and just made another idiotic move?
I guess I don't see how he went against his "entire managerial philosophy." What exactly is his philosophy and how did he entirely go against it? To your broader point I will only say that just because I don't think JF should still manage this team doesn't mean I think that every move he makes - no matter what - is the wrong move. It's interesting that you think differently. But you still never really answered my earlier question. Pomeranz had an injury in San Diego that wasn't bad enough to do anything more than inform MLB. I'm saying that I don't know if it was the cause for keeping him out, and you are. What was the injury and exactly how bad was it? I would like as much detail as possible so I can be as well informed as you are. In regards to his "entire managerial philosophy" - what is his view with catchers? Haven't we had situations where we could pinch hit for our catcher very late and Farrell has said "he doesn't want to risk subbing the starting catcher with another hitter because what if his 2nd catcher gets hurt once he goes out there?" Wasn't there for example a game about 3 weeks back he could have brought in Leon late as a pinch hitter for our crummy hitting catcher?
So what was his response with Wright? Didn't he say "How was I supposed to know he'd get hurt?" So the issue is if he is going to be so cautious with the catcher's then why wouldn't be he be the same cautious with a 31 yo, not really a runner and very inexperienced runner, in which he has seen guys like Buchholz get hurt too, and the guy is a prime top-tier all-star pitcher-- why would he risk that? Yet he doesn't risk the final catcher going out for probably an inning or two who is much more experienced? he realizes the consequences of the catcher but not an older pitcher with such little experience?
As far as your question- I felt it completely an unreasonable question because that can be said for nearly every single managerial move. Whether it be personal or a guy having an injury. How do we know a player isn't suffering in some manner? For example, how do we know there isn't some personal issue with a bullpen pitcher which is why Farrell has used Taz so much? Thus I feel your question is more adversarial rather than anything else.
I'm just wondering have you ever had people that work for you? Wasn't there ever a time you lost confidence in that person and know that you were justified in that loss of confidence? And then they do other dumb/terrible things and they give you an excuse (they had a family emergency). What are you going to do? Look the other way without proof of this emergency? Farrell is a bad manager, right? I'd like proof because I no longer believe in him. But there is no proof in what you're saying. I don't see why that is so hard to grasp. Further, you gave one reason why Farrell made the decision and the way I see it- it wasn't going well so you changed tact.
Confidence has been lost with this manager for a long time. If he doesn't give a plausible reason and based on how he manages the catcher's, why should anyone that thinks he is incompetent believe that in this case "he might be right" without proof? Your dart throwing isn't proof.
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Post by jmei on Sept 4, 2016 15:07:39 GMT -5
What is your point exactly? That Drew was less likely to get hurt? He has a bigger injury history than Wright. That Drew is somehow less important to the team so losing him wouldn't be too big of a blow? He's been arguably a better pitcher this year than Wright, but even if you don't think so, it's clearly close enough that they're pretty much the same, losing either would have been a blow. That Drew was more athletic and would have netted better results? That's a negligible difference, it's not like he is Usain Bolt or something. The point is that Drew could have been hurt there, maybe not 100% as likely but it's certainly close enough that's a judgment call, and that losing him would have been just as big. Pomeranz's injury history is shoulder and elbow-- in other words, pitching-related. He has significantly more and more recent baserunning history and is younger and more athletic than Wright. There was materially less injury risk with Pomeranz than Wright. |
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Post by bigpupp on Sept 4, 2016 15:15:59 GMT -5
I guess I don't see how he went against his "entire managerial philosophy." What exactly is his philosophy and how did he entirely go against it? To your broader point I will only say that just because I don't think JF should still manage this team doesn't mean I think that every move he makes - no matter what - is the wrong move. It's interesting that you think differently. But you still never really answered my earlier question. Pomeranz had an injury in San Diego that wasn't bad enough to do anything more than inform MLB. I'm saying that I don't know if it was the cause for keeping him out, and you are. What was the injury and exactly how bad was it? I would like as much detail as possible so I can be as well informed as you are. In regards to his "entire managerial philosophy" - what is his view with catchers? Haven't we had situations where we could pinch hit for our catcher very late and Farrell has said "he doesn't want to risk subbing the starting catcher with another hitter because what if his 2nd catcher gets hurt once he goes out there?" Wasn't there for example a game about 3 weeks back he could have brought in Leon late as a pinch hitter for our crummy hitting catcher?
So what was his response with Wright? Didn't he say "How was I supposed to know he'd get hurt?" So the issue is if he is going to be so cautious with the catcher's then why wouldn't be he be the same cautious with a 31 yo, not really a runner and very inexperienced runner, in which he has seen guys like Buchholz get hurt too, and the guy is a prime top-tier all-star pitcher-- why would he risk that? Yet he doesn't risk the final catcher going out for probably an inning or two who is much more experienced? he realizes the consequences of the catcher but not an older pitcher with such little experience?
As far as your question- I felt it completely an unreasonable question because that can be said for nearly every single managerial move. Whether it be personal or a guy having an injury. How do we know a player isn't suffering in some manner? For example, how do we know there isn't some personal issue with a bullpen pitcher which is why Farrell has used Taz so much? Thus I feel your question is more adversarial rather than anything else.
I'm just wondering have you ever had people that work for you? Wasn't there ever a time you lost confidence in that person and know that you were justified in that loss of confidence? And then they do other dumb/terrible things and they give you an excuse (they had a family emergency). What are you going to do? Look the other way without proof of this emergency? Farrell is a bad manager, right? I'd like proof because I no longer believe in him. But there is no proof in what you're saying. I don't see why that is so hard to grasp. Further, you gave one reason why Farrell made the decision and the way I see it- it wasn't going well so you changed tact.
Confidence has been lost with this manager for a long time. If he doesn't give a plausible reason and based on how he manages the catcher's, why should anyone that thinks he is incompetent believe that in this case "he might be right" without proof? Your dart throwing isn't proof.
So you think his managerial philosophy is to never use a backup in case that one gets hurt? You don't see the difference in not using your backup catcher for fear that if he gets hurt you have to put Pedroia or someone similar behind the plate vs not pinch running for someone that you plan on pulling the next inning anyway? There is a vast difference between the two and he, in no way whatsoever, went against his managerial philosophy with that play. As to your other point, I'll only again say that I find it interesting that you think that if a person makes a mistake one time (or is considered by many to be a bad manager) that he is incapable of ever being correct again. |
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Post by soxjim on Sept 4, 2016 15:34:31 GMT -5
In regards to his "entire managerial philosophy" - what is his view with catchers? Haven't we had situations where we could pinch hit for our catcher very late and Farrell has said "he doesn't want to risk subbing the starting catcher with another hitter because what if his 2nd catcher gets hurt once he goes out there?" Wasn't there for example a game about 3 weeks back he could have brought in Leon late as a pinch hitter for our crummy hitting catcher?
So what was his response with Wright? Didn't he say "How was I supposed to know he'd get hurt?" So the issue is if he is going to be so cautious with the catcher's then why wouldn't be he be the same cautious with a 31 yo, not really a runner and very inexperienced runner, in which he has seen guys like Buchholz get hurt too, and the guy is a prime top-tier all-star pitcher-- why would he risk that? Yet he doesn't risk the final catcher going out for probably an inning or two who is much more experienced? he realizes the consequences of the catcher but not an older pitcher with such little experience?
As far as your question- I felt it completely an unreasonable question because that can be said for nearly every single managerial move. Whether it be personal or a guy having an injury. How do we know a player isn't suffering in some manner? For example, how do we know there isn't some personal issue with a bullpen pitcher which is why Farrell has used Taz so much? Thus I feel your question is more adversarial rather than anything else.
I'm just wondering have you ever had people that work for you? Wasn't there ever a time you lost confidence in that person and know that you were justified in that loss of confidence? And then they do other dumb/terrible things and they give you an excuse (they had a family emergency). What are you going to do? Look the other way without proof of this emergency? Farrell is a bad manager, right? I'd like proof because I no longer believe in him. But there is no proof in what you're saying. I don't see why that is so hard to grasp. Further, you gave one reason why Farrell made the decision and the way I see it- it wasn't going well so you changed tact.
Confidence has been lost with this manager for a long time. If he doesn't give a plausible reason and based on how he manages the catcher's, why should anyone that thinks he is incompetent believe that in this case "he might be right" without proof? Your dart throwing isn't proof.
So you think his managerial philosophy is to never use a backup in case that one gets hurt? You don't see the difference in not using your backup catcher for fear that if he gets hurt you have to put Pedroia or someone similar behind the plate vs not pinch running for someone that you plan on pulling the next inning anyway? There is a vast difference between the two and he, in no way whatsoever, went against his managerial philosophy with that play. As to your other point, I'll only again say that I find it interesting that you think that if a person makes a mistake one time (or is considered by many to be a bad manager) that he is incapable of ever being correct again. Yes I do see a difference. The catcher is experienced. More than likely he can finish an inning even if badly hurt but he is experienced at the position. While the pitcher pinch running, I see he has no experience. So yes I see- and I see the manger got it wrong yet again. Now we have an all-star caliber pitcher possibly done this year, maybe even next if it requires surgery, and maybe for a career. All because a manager looks at a moment rather than the big picture without talking age/experience into account.
And are you saying JF has only made one mistake? You can't be serious with that comment. You think that I believe this is only his one bad move? If you think that- no never mind. For you to even say this- we're done. I can't even believe you even could think that after all that we've posted and the threads about "fire farrell yes or no."
Then you over-exaggerate that I don't think he could make a good move. On another thread before you posted this to me, I just complimented him on saying Pomz should be a starter if we make the playoffs and don't put him in the pen. OFC you would take my argument with you to this extreme of accusing me that I am incapable of believing Farrell to ever being correct again. Your twist of my comments is pretty darn weak just as your darts on this subject. We're done. I've posted too much on this subject anyways. Time to enjoy more of the day.
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Post by bigpupp on Sept 4, 2016 15:59:45 GMT -5
So you think his managerial philosophy is to never use a backup in case that one gets hurt? You don't see the difference in not using your backup catcher for fear that if he gets hurt you have to put Pedroia or someone similar behind the plate vs not pinch running for someone that you plan on pulling the next inning anyway? There is a vast difference between the two and he, in no way whatsoever, went against his managerial philosophy with that play. As to your other point, I'll only again say that I find it interesting that you think that if a person makes a mistake one time (or is considered by many to be a bad manager) that he is incapable of ever being correct again. Yes I do see a difference. The catcher is experienced. More than likely he can finish an inning even if badly hurt but he is experienced at the position. While the pitcher pinch running, I see he has no experience. So yes I see- and I see the manger got it wrong yet again. Now we have an all-star caliber pitcher possibly done this year, maybe even next if it requires surgery, and maybe for a career. All because a manager looks at a moment rather than the big picture without talking age/experience into account.
And are you saying JF has only made one mistake? You can't be serious with that comment. You think that I believe this is only his one bad move? If you think that- no never mind. For you to even say this- we're done. I can't even believe you even could think that after all that we've posted and the threads about "fire farrell yes or no."
Then you over-exaggerate that I don't think he could make a good move. On another thread before you posted this to me, I just complimented him on saying Pomz should be a starter if we make the playoffs and don't put him in the pen. OFC you would take my argument with you to this extreme of accusing me that I am incapable of believing Farrell to ever being correct again. Your twist of my comments is pretty darn weak just as your darts on this subject. We're done. I've posted too much on this subject anyways. Time to enjoy more of the day.
If you're taking this personally then I do recommend being done. I'm not at all - just trying to understand where you're coming from. A catcher can finish an inning if he's hurt? Even if that were true, what does that have to do with JF managerial philosophy that you've been harping on in this thread? You think my comment about one mistake meant JF has only made one mistake? Even though I've explicitly said I think he should be fired? You don't see how me being sympathetic to this one decision directly conflicts that? And in all the time you don't see the problem with complaining that I'm throwing "darts," yet yourself ignored that those scenarios altogether because they don't fit the narrative you have chosen? So maybe I just need to be more clear. I don't know if the Pomeranz injury was a problem (but I know he has SOME issue that I won't pretend to know about). Nor do I know if Pomeranz was available to throw an inning on his off day (but that is something Farrell has done in the past). But I will not sit here and go with the crowd to blame Farrel for every single one of our woes just because I think he should be fired. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 4, 2016 16:36:31 GMT -5
Pomeranz's injury history is shoulder and elbow-- in other words, pitching-related. He has significantly more and more recent baserunning history and is younger and more athletic than Wright. There was materially less injury risk with Pomeranz than Wright. I'll give you that there was a slightly lesser chance of an injury given that Drew had more baserunning experience, but come one, it's not like Wright never ran a base in his life. I don't think the injury risk was that smaller, it was present as well and the injury was so random that whatever difference between them in said risk gets thrown out of the window when chaos theory kicks in. If you were upset about ever using a pitcher there, I'd be more inclined to agree. The downsides of that strategy far outweigh any reasonable positive outcome. |
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Post by Coreno on Sept 4, 2016 16:45:36 GMT -5
Yes, Wright has likely run the bases before. Like in HS and possibly in College? How many times do you honestly think he has run the bases in game action in the last decade? That's not really an experience level I'm comfortable with.
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 4, 2016 16:54:45 GMT -5
Yes, Wright has likely run the bases before. Like in HS and possibly in College? How many times do you honestly think he has run the bases in game action in the last decade? That's not really an experience level I'm comfortable with. Are you comfortable with Drew's experience in preventing crapshoot injuries? |
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Post by sibbysisti on Sept 4, 2016 16:59:56 GMT -5
He understands logic that Pomz has already been running this past year while your mention of Wright from a long time ago is irrelevant. He's not making believe that there is such a bad injury to Pomz that he couldn't run for Red Sox but was fine with Padres. As far as Wright and his days as an every day player, why not mention Wright's high school days too?
Many of us have an idea the manager is incompetent. So why is it such a hard time for some of you to believe he botched this too? Why all of s sudden is it okay for him to break away from how he normally mkanages and how he looks at risk? That's what some of us don't understand from posters such as yourself. Fair question, I don't think he's incompetent. My judgement may well be clouded. I'm tired of reading what a idiot he is. I think he's average at best, Win or lose I want a new manager next year, just to read some new posts. OH, it won't end with the selection of a new manger. He or she may have a brief honeymoon, but the criticism, nitpicking, second guessing will be there with a new skipper. I remember Terry being referred to as "Francoma", prior to 2004. |
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Post by Coreno on Sept 4, 2016 17:05:43 GMT -5
Yes, Wright has likely run the bases before. Like in HS and possibly in College? How many times do you honestly think he has run the bases in game action in the last decade? That's not really an experience level I'm comfortable with. Are you comfortable with Drew's experience in preventing crapshoot injuries? There is risk in doing anything. The point is that Pomeranz has much more experience in that situation, as a guy who has spent part of his career in the NL, as recently as the first half of this season. Choosing to use Wright in a situation where he has no experience when you have another, better option, with no explainable rationale is indefensible. Yet, there are people trying to defend it. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 4, 2016 17:19:23 GMT -5
There is risk in doing anything. The point is that Pomeranz has much more experience in that situation, as a guy who has spent part of his career in the NL, as recently as the first half of this season. Choosing to use Wright in a situation where he has no experience when you have another, better option, with no explainable rationale is indefensible. Yet, there are people trying to defend it. I love indirect speech. People are "defending" the move because there's not a substantial difference in risk between Pomeranz and Wright. Like, there is a difference, but it's not big enough to matter? There's not a metric to gauge how less likely Pomeranz was to get injured there despite any attempts to hammer that point in. You might disagree and that's fine, but it's not like people are "defending" the move for no reason. |
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Post by Coreno on Sept 4, 2016 17:33:30 GMT -5
Except there is no reason to defend a move when there is not a world that exists out there where Pomeranz is not the obvious better choice.
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Post by soxjim on Sept 5, 2016 0:29:25 GMT -5
Pomeranz's injury history is shoulder and elbow-- in other words, pitching-related. He has significantly more and more recent baserunning history and is younger and more athletic than Wright. There was materially less injury risk with Pomeranz than Wright. I'll give you that there was a slightly lesser chance of an injury given that Drew had more baserunning experience, but come one, it's not like Wright never ran a base in his life. I don't think the injury risk was that smaller, it was present as well and the injury was so random that whatever difference between them in said risk gets thrown out of the window when chaos theory kicks in. If you were upset about ever using a pitcher there, I'd be more inclined to agree. The downsides of that strategy far outweigh any reasonable positive outcome. Yes - you are. You guys are making stuff up along with burying your head in the sand. There is no evidence that Drew would get hurt - if he didn't get hurt with SDP. You're also burying your head in the sand that Wright wasn't an inexperienced base runner yet while you saw with your own eyes he panicked and hurt himself on a simple play.
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Post by bigpupp on Sept 5, 2016 8:23:00 GMT -5
For all the talk about how Farrell "should have known" that Wright would get hurt and how "obvious" it was, and how "I'm not using hindsight when I say this"..... Steven Wright is on as a pinch runner. NL baseball is SO much more interesting. The DH needs to be abolished (exactly 38 seconds after Papi's last MLB at-bat). Reading the board today, you'd think this game was over. Lighten up, fellas. yeah, that is pretty radical of Farrell to send Wright in to pinch run. He must have been anxious about doing it, though. These were the only two posts in the entire Dodgers gamethread about Wright pinch running. And it's not as if there wasn't Farrell complaining taking place at the time. It was rampant in that game thread. So despite there being 87 more posts in the thread after Wright was used as a runner, these were the only comments that even brought it up. Yeah, it must have been really obvious that Wight was going to get hurt. |
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Post by soxjim on Sept 5, 2016 11:28:49 GMT -5
Except there is no reason to defend a move when there is not a world that exists out there where Pomeranz is not the obvious better choice. There is a reason for them. It's called changing the narrative to justify their position. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 5, 2016 11:45:43 GMT -5
Nobody is changing the narrative. Me, bigpupp and the others who are not so outraged by the move have made our points pretty clear. If you're choosing to ignore that and say we are MAKING STUFF UP, well that's on you.
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Post by carmenfanzone on Sept 5, 2016 12:38:58 GMT -5
For all the complaining about the manager using him as a pinch runner, i am more upset about the fact that they brought him back to the majors to make 2 starts with out first proving he was healthy with a start with Pawtucket. Clay B. had been doing a decent job replacing him and easily could have made another start or two while they found out if Wright was OK in the minors. But they didn't and his starting put them in big early holes in 2 games. Why did our GM let this happen?
If we were up like the Cubs are that would be one thing but we are not and could easily miss the playoffs by a game or two. If we do the decision to pitch Wright in those two games without first having him pitch in the minors to make sure he was OK is going to look even worse.
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Post by bigpupp on Sept 5, 2016 12:44:11 GMT -5
Nobody is changing the narrative. Me, bigpupp and the others who are not so outraged by the move have made our points pretty clear. If you're choosing to ignore that and say we are MAKING STUFF UP, well that's on you. I'm assuming he is talking about me misremembering the details of the game and incorrectly stating that Wright was the last starting pitcher used (as opposed to the last starting pitcher used who had two working legs). I owned that mistake, but just like Farrell the only option is either termination or death. Next time I'll just incorrectly state Farrell's "entire managerial philosophy" to prove my point, so I don't get accused of being a liar. |
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Post by bigpupp on Sept 5, 2016 12:47:34 GMT -5
For all the complaining about the manager using him as a pinch runner, i am more upset about the fact that they brought him back to the majors to make 2 starts with out first proving he was healthy with a start with Pawtucket. Clay B. had been doing a decent job replacing him and easily could have made another start or two while they found out if Wright was OK in the minors. But they didn't and his starting put them in big early holes in 2 games. Why did our GM let this happen? If we were up like the Cubs are that would be one thing but we are not and could easily miss the playoffs by a game or two. If we do the decision to pitch Wright in those two games without first having him pitch in the minors to make sure he was OK is going to look even worse. Now this I can get behind. Wright was already on the DL and could have easily been sent for a rehab assignment to make sure the shoulder felt fine. |
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 5, 2016 14:52:35 GMT -5
I want Farrell fired more than anyone and won't fault him much for pinch running Wright. You can argue the logic until the end of time, but we're probably talking about the difference between 3% chance of getting hurt and a 3.5% chance of getting hurt between Pomeranz and Wright getting hurt. Not that you could ever quantify it. They just should have emphasized that he should have stood next to the base and not take any chances to make it next to impossible to get hurt. That's still some buzzard's luck, which is kind of like the story of the entire season.
I definitely agree that they should have left Buchholz in the rotation longer though.
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Post by terriblehondo on Sept 5, 2016 16:43:42 GMT -5
After watching Drew's cat like reflexes on the 2 bunts today. I agree he is so athletically gifted there should be no way that any manager would pick Wright over Drew to run the bases.
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