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Freeman
Sept 16, 2016 11:24:40 GMT -5
Post by brendan98 on Sept 16, 2016 11:24:40 GMT -5
The one gaping hole the Red Sox will have to fill next year is Big Papi’s production. It is not very realistic to expect 1 player to be able to do that, but with increased production at a few positions (3B & LF + a full year of Leon at C) combined with a solid addition to replace Papi, the offense can still be top tier.
A lot of names have been tossed around, I hate the idea of relying on a bounce back from The Big Fat Panda, Bautista and Encarnacion are both really good options in FA, but I feel like whoever signs them is going to have to significantly overpay in terms of dollars and years, and I think Napoli would be a solid option. The guy that intrigues me however, would have to be acquired via trade, he is young (will be 27 most of next season), hits LH, hits for power and has a high OBP, and is coming off his best season as he enters into what should be his prime. Freddie Freeman has 5 years left on his deal with the Braves at a cost of $106.5 M, they don’t have a lot of financial commitment on their current roster so they can afford him, but $20m + per year for the rest of his deal could be a little bit of an incentive for them to deal him. The Braves are loaded up with pitching prospects and would likely be looking for position player prospects if they were to deal Freeman, the cost would likely be high, but the Sox do have the prospects to make a strong offer if they wanted to.
If you decide that the current Red Sox roster would not be available in a trade (that includes Benintendi & Moncada), what would the Sox need to offer if they wanted Freeman, and would it be worth what it would cost?
The names that I think have to be thrown around are: Devers, Travis, Dubon, Chavis, Basabe, Ockimey, Longhi, Dalbec, and I’d also put Shaw, Vazquez and Swihart as potentially in the mix. Out of those players, I’d prefer not to deal Devers or Swihart, and would only want to include Dalbec as a major piece (not as a throw in). Another thought might be Steven Wright or Buchholz, I think if you put Wright in a deal for Freeman, he would be a big piece and I think the Braves would have to strongly consider it, and 1 year of Buchholz might also be intriguing for Atlanta, as an experienced veteran in the front half of their rotation (of course the Sox would then have to add rotation depth if they traded Wright or Buchholz). Is there a deal there to be made without Swihart, Devers or Dalbec, would a deal like this make sense for the Sox? Would Freeman’s contract make it harder to get Mookie & Xander locked up long term?
Thoughts?
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Freeman
Sept 17, 2016 19:38:02 GMT -5
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Post by rookie13 on Sept 17, 2016 19:38:02 GMT -5
I've been a long time fan of Freeman, but I don't see a way the Sox acquire him without the offer starting with at least Devers. He has the 4th highest wrc+ in the NL this year while also providing good defense at first. I think if the Braves were willing to trade him, and I'm sure teams have tried to get him already, it would need to be an overwhelming offer.
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Freeman
Sept 17, 2016 21:50:16 GMT -5
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Post by telson13 on Sept 17, 2016 21:50:16 GMT -5
I've been a long time fan of Freeman, but I don't see a way the Sox acquire him without the offer starting with at least Devers. He has the 4th highest wrc+ in the NL this year while also providing good defense at first. I think if the Braves were willing to trade him, and I'm sure teams have tried to get him already, it would need to be an overwhelming offer. Agreed. He's essentially an in-prime player at a marginally under-market deal (and for which he's providing 1-2 WAR excess value yearly). It's really not that different from talking about acquiring Goldschmidt, which would start with Moncada/Benintendi and include Devers, and go from there (or something along those lines). I really don't see much of a need for the Sox to make that sort of move. It's reasonable to think that they'll get much better production next year from their 4/5 starters, and probably Price, and they'll have Benintendi for a full year. They may score fewer runs, but they'll probably give up proportionally even fewer. There's really not that much urgency to make a big move like that, especially with Hanley hitting as he is, and the emergence of JBJ and Betts (and Benintendi's clear display of MLB-readiness). I don't see the Braves trading a quarter for even four dimes (say, Devers, Buchholz, Swihart, Dalbec). They'll want a quarter and a dime plus a nickel or two back. It just doesn't make sense from the Sox's standpoint, as nice as having Freeman would be. They're better off standing pat and dropping that $100m plus into extending their own players.
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Freeman
Sept 17, 2016 22:45:20 GMT -5
Post by soxjim on Sept 17, 2016 22:45:20 GMT -5
The one gaping hole the Red Sox will have to fill next year is Big Papi’s production. It is not very realistic to expect 1 player to be able to do that, but with increased production at a few positions (3B & LF + a full year of Leon at C) combined with a solid addition to replace Papi, the offense can still be top tier. A lot of names have been tossed around, I hate the idea of relying on a bounce back from The Big Fat Panda, Bautista and Encarnacion are both really good options in FA, but I feel like whoever signs them is going to have to significantly overpay in terms of dollars and years, and I think Napoli would be a solid option. The guy that intrigues me however, would have to be acquired via trade, he is young (will be 27 most of next season), hits LH, hits for power and has a high OBP, and is coming off his best season as he enters into what should be his prime. Freddie Freeman has 5 years left on his deal with the Braves at a cost of $106.5 M, they don’t have a lot of financial commitment on their current roster so they can afford him, but $20m + per year for the rest of his deal could be a little bit of an incentive for them to deal him. The Braves are loaded up with pitching prospects and would likely be looking for position player prospects if they were to deal Freeman, the cost would likely be high, but the Sox do have the prospects to make a strong offer if they wanted to. If you decide that the current Red Sox roster would not be available in a trade (that includes Benintendi & Moncada), what would the Sox need to offer if they wanted Freeman, and would it be worth what it would cost? The names that I think have to be thrown around are: Devers, Travis, Dubon, Chavis, Basabe, Ockimey, Longhi, Dalbec, and I’d also put Shaw, Vazquez and Swihart as potentially in the mix. Out of those players, I’d prefer not to deal Devers or Swihart, and would only want to include Dalbec as a major piece (not as a throw in). Another thought might be Steven Wright or Buchholz, I think if you put Wright in a deal for Freeman, he would be a big piece and I think the Braves would have to strongly consider it, and 1 year of Buchholz might also be intriguing for Atlanta, as an experienced veteran in the front half of their rotation (of course the Sox would then have to add rotation depth if they traded Wright or Buchholz). Is there a deal there to be made without Swihart, Devers or Dalbec, would a deal like this make sense for the Sox? Would Freeman’s contract make it harder to get Mookie & Xander locked up long term? Thoughts? If the Braves are loaded with pitching prospects, why would Wright work or more importantly ClayB? There is absolutely no reason for them to trade Freeman and get Clay unless they know they can dump him right after for other good prospects they covet while getting other good prospects from the Sox along with Clay.
I think Freeman should be attempted as a top target but I believe the Braves will be completely unreasonable because Freeman is so good. The Braves won't be good anyways regardless who they get for Freeman so why bother unless they get blown away?
I think long-term depends on new CBA affecting which trades Sox can make.
If I were to make a move for Freeman which I think Sox need- a lot would depend on CBA and how healthy/confident Sox are with Wright. I don't think they can be too confident with Wright though. So I think we'd need to offer a big piece-- JBJ. And because we are so suspect at several positions but overall I like how we have many players-- I don't think a discussion of a trade like this has a prayer anyways.
The Sox would then need to be confident in the combo of Young and Beni being healthy while Holt reverts back to what he was in 2014 and 2015 in which he is healthy and can hit both rh and lh pitchers.. Confident that Swihart and Sam Travis and Panda (or at least 2 of the 3) can give us something. Confident we have good enough offensive quality at catcher. Early in the year the sox can't trust Moncada, Sam Travis or Blake Swihart and we have to have some trepidation with Leon.
Paying $20m for Freeman while adding another hole may not be worth it because the following year there are a lot of top tier players which means one or two might be available at all-star break. By All-star break Sox should have a better handle as to what they have.
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Post by ryantoworkman on Sept 17, 2016 23:04:24 GMT -5
Freeman will represent a Papi like figure in the Braves clubhouse. There is no one else with that stature on that team, and for this reason I see no way the Braves deal him this year.
I waffle back and forth as to whether they spend for a hitter this year. On one side, I see the big contracts that are soon forthcoming for the Killer B's, and I pause at spending big money. On the other side, this team is not where they are without Papi's production. I guess the renegotiated CBA will help clarify how far they go in trying to replace Papi.
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Freeman
Sept 18, 2016 1:26:49 GMT -5
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Post by scarr0214 on Sept 18, 2016 1:26:49 GMT -5
No thanks. I like Freeman as a player but with the amount of time he has left on his deal it would take a huge offer to pry him away. Hanley's production is fine with me for the DH spot next year. Then give me some combination of Shaw, Travis, Moncada, and Sandoval on the corner infield spots until Devers and Moncada are ready. I'm not about to lose 3-4 assets for a guy I don't even think we need. If it came down to Sale, Fernandez, or Freeman who would you trade for? It's between two guys for me and neither is Freddie Freeman.
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Freeman
Sept 20, 2016 15:41:55 GMT -5
Post by wcsoxfan on Sept 20, 2016 15:41:55 GMT -5
No thanks. I like Freeman as a player but with the amount of time he has left on his deal it would take a huge offer to pry him away. Hanley's production is fine with me for the DH spot next year. Then give me some combination of Shaw, Travis, Moncada, and Sandoval on the corner infield spots until Devers and Moncada are ready. I'm not about to lose 3-4 assets for a guy I don't even think we need. If it came down to Sale, Fernandez, or Freeman who would you trade for? It's between two guys for me and neither is Freddie Freeman. I'm a huge Fernandez fan, but I wouldn't put him in the same trade value category as Sale or Freeman. Jose only has 2 years left of arbitration, and year 3 is going to be pricey. (not to mention his injury history) I'd certainly give Shaw/Devers/Swihart+ for Freeman. But as the Braves have no need to trade him, they would likely holdout for Moncada+. I'm not sure about that...
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Freeman
Nov 10, 2016 21:23:22 GMT -5
Post by rookie13 on Nov 10, 2016 21:23:22 GMT -5
I was the first person to shoot this idea down, but since a few people are still trying to discuss Votto, I thought Freeman would be a good name to bring up again. While he's obviously not as good a hitter as Votto, he's still elite and is an excellent defender as well. He's 6 years younger, has 2 years and 76 Mil less on his contract, and doesn't have a no trade clause. I still think the cost of acquisition would probably be too high, but if we're going to discuss trading for an elite LHH 1B, this should be the guy we're talking about.
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Freeman
Nov 21, 2016 15:52:00 GMT -5
Post by brendan98 on Nov 21, 2016 15:52:00 GMT -5
Bradley for Freeman straight up .... who says no?
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Freeman
Nov 21, 2016 17:13:57 GMT -5
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Post by rookie13 on Nov 21, 2016 17:13:57 GMT -5
Bradley for Freeman straight up .... who says no? Braves. I'm not good at gauging value and trying to come up with a fair trade package, but I'd guess it would have to be Bradley, Kopech/Devers, and one or two other guys. That's precisely why I don't see a deal happening. He'd be too expensive (in terms of prospects, his contract is more than reasonable.) and the Braves don't *need* to trade him. He's got 5 years left and just turned 27 in September, so the Braves would have to be blown away to go through with a trade.
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Freeman
Nov 21, 2016 20:35:59 GMT -5
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Post by larrycook on Nov 21, 2016 20:35:59 GMT -5
Bradley for Freeman straight up .... who says no? Braves. I'm not good at gauging value and trying to come up with a fair trade package, but I'd guess it would have to be Bradley, Kopech/Devers, and one or two other guys. That's precisely why I don't see a deal happening. He'd be too expensive (in terms of prospects, his contract is more than reasonable.) and the Braves don't *need* to trade him. He's got 5 years left and just turned 27 in September, so the Braves would have to be blown away to go through with a trade. I am ok with sending Bradley, swihart and Johnson to Atlanta for freeman.
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