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Post by larrycook on Sept 25, 2016 21:46:17 GMT -5
We won two one run games in Tampa.
I am not sure we could have done that in any month this season prior to September.
This team is coming together nicely, but we really need more production from the bottom half of the roster if we are going to make a run in the platoffs.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Sept 25, 2016 21:50:43 GMT -5
You must have me on "ignore" ... 'cause I've been showering Joe with love since his first appearance after being called up from Pawtucket. The guy is clearly among the top 3 relievers on the team, and may even - given his ability to power through two+ innings - be the best. He's been dominant. What's going to be really interesting is what teams offer them for him next trade deadline, if he keeps this up. Or do they trade Kimbrel and use Kelly to close? Or keep them both? And here plenty of people wanted to give him away for a bag of balls three months ago... No reason to do anything with Kelly. He's not even eligible for free agency until after 2018.
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Post by telson13 on Sept 25, 2016 21:55:43 GMT -5
What's going to be really interesting is what teams offer them for him next trade deadline, if he keeps this up. Or do they trade Kimbrel and use Kelly to close? Or keep them both? And here plenty of people wanted to give him away for a bag of balls three months ago... No reason to do anything with Kelly. He's not even eligible for free agency until after 2018. Oh, I'm not saying that they "should," just curious to see what they might be offered. Personally, I think they're best off keeping them both, re-signing Koji and Tazawa (especially if he commands a little less after his rough second half), continuing to develop Barnes, and then seeing how it all shakes out with Smith coming back. If Kelly pitches well they can extend him and let Kimbrel go or trade him. But it's looking more and more like their 'pen could be stacked for two years. Still, if you could get for Kelly what the Phils got for Giles or the Padres got for Kimbrel, would you do it?
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 25, 2016 22:09:41 GMT -5
Quite a feat - Boston is the only team in baseball right now with identical home and road records - 46-32. Their improvement as a road team is really impressive.
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Post by soxjim on Sept 25, 2016 22:45:57 GMT -5
We won two one run games in Tampa. I am not sure we could have done that in any month this season prior to September. This team is coming together nicely, but we really need more production from the bottom half of the roster if we are going to make a run in the platoffs. Beni nd Bradley and Young have been doing well overall.
The holes right now are 3b and catcher.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Sept 26, 2016 7:10:19 GMT -5
It's possible that the Sox could clinch the division *and* eliminate the Yankees from the playoffs at the same time on Tuesday at Yankee Stadium ... combine happiness with a splash of schadenfreude as I watch the Sox celebrate on the field in NY.
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Post by sierram363 on Sept 26, 2016 7:50:08 GMT -5
It's possible that the Sox could clinch the division *and* eliminate the Yankees from the playoffs at the same time on Tuesday at Yankee Stadium ... combine happiness with a splash of schadenfreude as I watch the Sox celebrate on the field in NY. I actually wouldn't mind facing the Yankees in the playoffs right now with all their problems.
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Post by tjb21 on Sept 26, 2016 8:06:21 GMT -5
What a run they've been on.
This is so fun.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 26, 2016 8:10:05 GMT -5
Well, if 12 strikeouts in his last 54 PA's is correct, that isn't all that horrendous. The rest of it, though ..... I'm presuming then that his BABIP is terrible as well. That is supposed to eventually autocorrect to some extent. Perhaps Farrell's remarks about the Panda are not so far fetched after all. I find it impossible to believe that Pablo would be better than Shaw in any way right now even with Shaw being really bad. Players do not just start hitting major league pitching in October without any kind of rehab.
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Post by sibbysisti on Sept 26, 2016 8:34:00 GMT -5
Perhaps Farrell's remarks about the Panda are not so far fetched after all. I find it impossible to believe that Pablo would be better than Shaw in any way right now even with Shaw being really bad. Players do not just start hitting major league pitching in October without any kind of rehab. . He's been rehabbing in Ft. Myers and, as I understand it, has played in two games, though I'm not certain. Play him in every game this week and see how far along he is. Then, assuming the week goes well, call him up and let him play in the Toronto series providing they have clinched the division. If he's successful both offensively and defensively in that series, put him on the roster with Hill or Shaw or Holt, whoever' son the roster, to back him up. Unfortunately Pablo won'T face AAA pitching at the Fort, but DD has nothing to lose by giving it a try. If he shows that he's woefully out of shape, tell him to keep with the program, play Winter ball in Venezuela, and we'll see, hopefully, "less" of him in the Spring. We could certainly use his 2014 bat.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 26, 2016 8:45:06 GMT -5
I find it impossible to believe that Pablo would be better than Shaw in any way right now even with Shaw being really bad. Players do not just start hitting major league pitching in October without any kind of rehab. . He's been rehabbing in Ft. Myers and, as I understand it, has played in two games, though I'm not certain. Play him in every game this week and see how far along he is. Then, assuming the week goes well, call him up and let him play in the Toronto series providing they have clinched the division. If he's successful both offensively and defensively in that series, put him on the roster with Hill or Shaw or Holt, whoever' son the roster, to back him up. Unfortunately Pablo won'T face AAA pitching at the Fort, but DD has nothing to lose by giving it a try. If he shows that he's woefully out of shape, tell him to keep with the program, play Winter ball in Venezuela, and we'll see, hopefully, "less" of him in the Spring. We could certainly use his 2014 bat. Rehabbing in Ft. Myers is not anywhere close to major league pitching. There's a reason why spring training is more than a month long. The best we could get is his 2014 bat in spring training. Plus, his defense and baserunning was atrocious last year. Why is it better now? He was a well below replacement level player last year and I'd expect him to be far worse at this point in time if they just put him into games.
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Post by sibbysisti on Sept 26, 2016 8:51:35 GMT -5
It's possible that the Sox could clinch the division *and* eliminate the Yankees from the playoffs at the same time on Tuesday at Yankee Stadium ... combine happiness with a splash of schadenfreude as I watch the Sox celebrate on the field in NY. I actually wouldn't mind facing the Yankees in the playoffs right now with all their problems. That's next to impossible. Yanks are 5.5 GB for the wild card with five teams above them. They face 20 game winner, J. A. Happ tonight in the finale of the Toronto series. But it would be sweet to eliminate them AND clinch the Division in the same game on hallowed Yankee turf.
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Post by sibbysisti on Sept 26, 2016 8:54:51 GMT -5
. He's been rehabbing in Ft. Myers and, as I understand it, has played in two games, though I'm not certain. Play him in every game this week and see how far along he is. Then, assuming the week goes well, call him up and let him play in the Toronto series providing they have clinched the division. If he's successful both offensively and defensively in that series, put him on the roster with Hill or Shaw or Holt, whoever' son the roster, to back him up. Unfortunately Pablo won'T face AAA pitching at the Fort, but DD has nothing to lose by giving it a try. If he shows that he's woefully out of shape, tell him to keep with the program, play Winter ball in Venezuela, and we'll see, hopefully, "less" of him in the Spring. We could certainly use his 2014 bat. Rehabbing in Ft. Myers is not anywhere close to major league pitching. There's a reason why spring training is more than a month long. The best we could get is his 2014 bat in spring training. Plus, his defense and baserunning was atrocious last year. Why is it better now? He was a well below replacement level player last year and I'd expect him to be far worse at this point in time if they just put him into games. Still, they have nothing to lose by giving it a try. I'm assuming, of course, the Sox have clinched the Division and home field and are just playing out the string in the last series.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Sept 26, 2016 9:11:38 GMT -5
Is Price pitching tomorrow or Buchholz? Don't they want Price available for the final game?
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Post by sibbysisti on Sept 26, 2016 10:27:38 GMT -5
Is Price pitching tomorrow or Buchholz? Don't they want Price available for the final game? Price, with Buchholz to follow.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Sept 26, 2016 10:32:09 GMT -5
Rehabbing in Ft. Myers is not anywhere close to major league pitching. There's a reason why spring training is more than a month long. The best we could get is his 2014 bat in spring training. Plus, his defense and baserunning was atrocious last year. Why is it better now? He was a well below replacement level player last year and I'd expect him to be far worse at this point in time if they just put him into games. Still, they have nothing to lose by giving it a try. I'm assuming, of course, the Sox have clinched the Division and home field and are just playing out the string in the last series. I can't imagine home field will be clinched for anyone until the last few games of the year.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Sept 26, 2016 10:34:02 GMT -5
I'd actually prefer the 2 seed to the 1 seed. Much rather play the injured Indians than the Jays or even the O's.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 10:57:25 GMT -5
I'd actually prefer the 2 seed to the 1 seed. Much rather play the injured Indians than the Jays or even the O's. If the Jays/Orioles really are that good, the Sox would have to play them eventually in the postseason anyway. I'd rather see the Sox get the top seed in the AL.
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Post by art on Sept 26, 2016 12:10:46 GMT -5
I think Christian Vazquez yesterday may have broken the ML record for putouts by a catcher in a game. According to Baseball Almanac the record was 20. I was at the game but can't remember if any of the strikeouts by TB batters required a throw to first base. But he must have had at least 21 putouts.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 26, 2016 12:39:21 GMT -5
I think Christian Vazquez yesterday may have broken the ML record for putouts by a catcher in a game. According to Baseball Almanac the record was 20. I was at the game but can't remember if any of the strikeouts by TB batters required a throw to first base. But he must have had at least 21 putouts. No throws to first. But that 20 may be the record for a 9-inning game. Yup. Brad Ausmus had 23 putouts when the Astros fanned 23 in 15.1 IP in '03. Damian Miller of the Cubs had 24 in 17 innings the same year. And the next year Jose Molina had 26 in a 17-inning game for the Angels.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 26, 2016 12:42:28 GMT -5
One desired outcome from the Tampa game is if we can say bye bye aBAD as for possible inclusion for the post season roster. No thanks!
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Post by art on Sept 26, 2016 14:44:42 GMT -5
I think Christian Vazquez yesterday may have broken the ML record for putouts by a catcher in a game. According to Baseball Almanac the record was 20. I was at the game but can't remember if any of the strikeouts by TB batters required a throw to first base. But he must have had at least 21 putouts. No throws to first. But that 20 may be the record for a 9-inning game. Yup. Brad Ausmus had 23 putouts when the Astros fanned 23 in 15.1 IP in '03. Damian Miller of the Cubs had 24 in 17 innings the same year. And the next year Jose Molina had 26 in a 17-inning game for the Angels. Since he had 21 through 9 I wonder whether they would count that as the 9-inning game record. It ought to get at least a footnote. Baseball Almanac also states that the record for consecutive putouts by a catcher in a game is/was 10. There's no doubt that Vazquez had 11. I wonder whether that record requires the putouts to have been made on consecutive batters or just on consecutive outs. If the latter, Vazquez didn't just break the record, he obliterated it. www.baseball-almanac.com/rb_capu.shtml
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Sept 27, 2016 12:08:12 GMT -5
I'd actually prefer the 2 seed to the 1 seed. Much rather play the injured Indians than the Jays or even the O's. If the Jays/Orioles really are that good, the Sox would have to play them eventually in the postseason anyway. I'd rather see the Sox get the top seed in the AL. Indians are more vulnerable in a short series due to their injuries IMO.
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