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9/23-9/25 Red Sox @ Rays Series Thread
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Post by Canseco on Sept 24, 2016 21:38:39 GMT -5
It's a disgrace that Copperfield's is now some chain joint. Is there ANY heart left in this world this side of Dusty Pedroia?!?
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Sept 24, 2016 21:58:48 GMT -5
we need a thread for tiebreakers.
BOS clinch over CLE (tiebreaker) TEX almost clinch over BOS TEX clinch over CLE
3-way tie looks like TEX one seed, BOS 2 seed, CLE 3 seed.
Dodgers have tiebreaker over WASH, clinched it.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 24, 2016 22:37:56 GMT -5
Thoughts on what's going on with Xander?- the stats bear out what we've been seeing - August .219 -3-10. September so far .222-3-11 (not counting tonight's o'fer). Seems like a deeper issue that just tired. Tough to have that in the 2 hole.
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Post by patford on Sept 24, 2016 22:44:06 GMT -5
Thoughts on what's going on with Xander?- the stats bear out what we've been seeing - August .219 -3-10. September so far .222-3-11 (not counting tonight's o'fer). Seems like a deeper issue that just tired. Tough to have that in the 2 hole. He's aware of how easily he can jack a ball out of the park and has changed his approach. All will be fine. He will emerge as a 40 HR a year guy.
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Post by pedey on Sept 24, 2016 23:01:40 GMT -5
I am SO ready for my favorite kind of baseball... October baseball, and the Sox will be participating.
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Post by larrycook on Sept 25, 2016 0:18:43 GMT -5
Thoughts on what's going on with Xander?- the stats bear out what we've been seeing - August .219 -3-10. September so far .222-3-11 (not counting tonight's o'fer). Seems like a deeper issue that just tired. Tough to have that in the 2 hole. mechanically he looks fine. Still occasionally swinging at sliders down and away though, Best I can tell, the problem seems to be not trusting/identifying what pitches he is seeing.
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Post by geostorm on Sept 25, 2016 6:16:08 GMT -5
After seeing the recent update on Pablo...revisiting his career & Sox regular season stats...that his post-season stats, comparatively, seeming to confirm he is anything but uncomfortable on the big stage...and the other 3B options...
...I've a feeling that somehow, some way, he might find his way onto a post-season roster, and that an early Red Sox clinch, will find him taking a bit of a regular reason test drive in the TOR series, to see where he is at, and to consider if, due to circumstances, he'd be a viable option in the post season, if things break a certain way.
Crazy talk?
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Sept 25, 2016 8:05:14 GMT -5
After seeing the recent update on Pablo...revisiting his career & Sox regular season stats...that his post-season stats, comparatively, seeming to confirm he is anything but uncomfortable on the big stage...and the other 3B options... ...I've a feeling that somehow, some way, he might find his way onto a post-season roster, and that an early Red Sox clinch, will find him taking a bit of a regular reason test drive in the TOR series, to see where he is at, and to consider if, due to circumstances, he'd be a viable option in the post season, if things break a certain way. Crazy talk? Crazy talk. Not as in "you're crazy." As in "the team is crazy" if they try to take Pablo cold and shove him into the playoffs -- I don't care what his past playoff reputation is. And while I'm at it, I think this talk of Panda at 1B next year or whenever is equally crazy. I don't want a short, stout 1B who probably can't jump very well and struggles to bend over being depended upon to receive throws. That's asking for trouble.
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Post by ryan24 on Sept 25, 2016 8:19:47 GMT -5
After seeing the recent update on Pablo...revisiting his career & Sox regular season stats...that his post-season stats, comparatively, seeming to confirm he is anything but uncomfortable on the big stage...and the other 3B options... ...I've a feeling that somehow, some way, he might find his way onto a post-season roster, and that an early Red Sox clinch, will find him taking a bit of a regular reason test drive in the TOR series, to see where he is at, and to consider if, due to circumstances, he'd be a viable option in the post season, if things break a certain way. Crazy talk? Crazy talk. Not as in "you're crazy." As in "the team is crazy" if they try to take Pablo cold and shove him into the playoffs -- I don't care what his past playoff reputation is. And while I'm at it, I think this talk of Panda at 1B next year or whenever is equally crazy. I don't want a short, stout 1B who probably can't jump very well and struggles to bend over being depended upon to receive throws. That's asking for trouble. I think Farrell might be messing with us a little. I think he is giving out a aheads up that we will probably see Pablo working out before games. Maybe taking some grounders and taking some batting practice with the team. I think at this stage of the season and what is at stake the sox are not going to take a chance on a player who has not seen live pitching and game action since april. The sox are not that desperate at 3rd. They have shaw, holt, hill and Hernandez. Certainly not Mike Schmidt type options, but adequate.
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Post by gerry on Sept 25, 2016 10:26:57 GMT -5
Crazy talk. Not as in "you're crazy." As in "the team is crazy" if they try to take Pablo cold and shove him into the playoffs -- I don't care what his past playoff reputation is. And while I'm at it, I think this talk of Panda at 1B next year or whenever is equally crazy. I don't want a short, stout 1B who probably can't jump very well and struggles to bend over being depended upon to receive throws. That's asking for trouble. I think Farrell might be messing with us a little. I think he is giving out a aheads up that we will probably see Pablo working out before games. Maybe taking some grounders and taking some batting practice with the team. I think at this stage of the season and what is at stake the sox are not going to take a chance on a player who has not seen live pitching and game action since april. The sox are not that desperate at 3rd. They have shaw, holt, hill and Hernandez. Certainly not Mike Schmidt type options, but adequate. The good news about Shaw, Hill at 3B is that even if not hitting they can pick it and are heads up players. The good news about Holt, Hernandez is that they can hit a bit, are not black holes, and offer versatility. A team with strong offense and defense at C, 1B, 2B, SS, LF, CF, RF, DH truly doesn't, need an ice cold Panda replacing the actual and potential strengths of Shaw, Hill, Holt, Hernandez.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 25, 2016 10:56:26 GMT -5
The Sox have clinched a playoff spot. They have now won 91 games. The only other teams that could win 91, besides Cleveland and Texas, are Detroit, Baltimore and Toronto. But both Toronto and Baltimore can't win 91 because they play each other. Detroit and Baltimore both have to win out to reach 91, which could happen. But if Baltimore wins out, Toronto loses at least 3 (to Baltimore) and Toronto can win 90 at most. So if Baltimore wins out, the Sox are guaranteed to have one of the 5 best records in the league and thus a wild card spot. But if Toronto beats Baltimore at least once, the Sox are also guaranteed to have one of the 5 best records in the league and a wild card spot. I'm kicking myself for missing that (and I checked it, but somehow got the math wrong). Kudos. Apparently no one on the Sox knew it, either. They were told by a reporter.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 25, 2016 11:29:27 GMT -5
After seeing the recent update on Pablo...revisiting his career & Sox regular season stats...that his post-season stats, comparatively, seeming to confirm he is anything but uncomfortable on the big stage...and the other 3B options... ...I've a feeling that somehow, some way, he might find his way onto a post-season roster, and that an early Red Sox clinch, will find him taking a bit of a regular reason test drive in the TOR series, to see where he is at, and to consider if, due to circumstances, he'd be a viable option in the post season, if things break a certain way. Crazy talk? What are his stats after missing 6 months of baseball and not getting a month's worth of live major league pitching prior to playing?
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 25, 2016 11:33:11 GMT -5
The Sox have clinched a playoff spot. They have now won 91 games. The only other teams that could win 91, besides Cleveland and Texas, are Detroit, Baltimore and Toronto. But both Toronto and Baltimore can't win 91 because they play each other. Detroit and Baltimore both have to win out to reach 91, which could happen. But if Baltimore wins out, Toronto loses at least 3 (to Baltimore) and Toronto can win 90 at most. So if Baltimore wins out, the Sox are guaranteed to have one of the 5 best records in the league and thus a wild card spot. But if Toronto beats Baltimore at least once, the Sox are also guaranteed to have one of the 5 best records in the league and a wild card spot. I'm kicking myself for missing that (and I checked it, but somehow got the math wrong). Kudos. Apparently no one on the Sox knew it, either. They were told by a reporter. That site I listed above considers the schedules in determining the magic #s.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 25, 2016 11:36:14 GMT -5
I was listening to Danny Picard after last night's game. He has interesting takes on things (I don't always agree, but food for thought). Some may think that statistics - the right ones, enough of them - will always untangle a complicated story. Danny's view is that the manager takes too much heat when things go bad, and get too many plaudits when things go well. Fair enough - but when I think about the reign of Bobby Valentine, it seems to me that there are intangibles at play that are hard to measure by stats.
Anyway - that was a bit rambling and ethereal - but the point that I wanted to make is that Pablo's possible reinsertion is more than results. My feeling is that a ball club, over a long season, develops a culture. This particular team seems to have gelled its culture over the past month - maybe more - but they are winning with the players they have - and of course, those players have good and bad stretches (with a few remarkable exceptions this season - Papi, Mookie, Pedey, Porcello have been so consistent).
So my feeling is that without even considering if/how Pablo could perform at an appropriate level - the damage it could do to a clubhouse and team that is pretty well formed right now....this is NOT the time to perturb things, in my view.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 25, 2016 12:17:47 GMT -5
This game feels wrong. I'm not even sure what I mean.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 25, 2016 12:32:15 GMT -5
This game feels wrong. I'm not even sure what I mean. I think I know what you mean - and I agree.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 25, 2016 12:38:11 GMT -5
This game feels wrong. I'm not even sure what I mean. Been so happy lately with the streak, just feel so bad. It's a strange feeling, life can have some cruel fates.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 25, 2016 12:51:00 GMT -5
It took Odorizzi 59 pitches to go through the lineup once. He doesn't seem to have a putaway pitch.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Sept 25, 2016 13:08:53 GMT -5
It took Odorizzi 59 pitches to go through the lineup once. He doesn't seem to have a putaway pitch. And one way or another ERod won't be much better. Command and control not there for him today. Five days ago we thought he made a case for himself to pitch in the playoffs. Case definitely not closed. What do we think he's going to do under the increased scrutiny of the playoffs?
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 25, 2016 13:17:14 GMT -5
The home plate umpire clearly is ready for this game to be quick - his strike zone is huge and unpredictable so far.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 25, 2016 13:18:18 GMT -5
It took Odorizzi 59 pitches to go through the lineup once. He doesn't seem to have a putaway pitch. And one way or another ERod won't be much better. Command and control not there for him today. Five days ago we thought he made a case for himself to pitch in the playoffs. Case definitely not closed. What do we think he's going to do under the increased scrutiny of the playoffs? ERod's numbers against Tampa are not good at all - let's see how he comes out in the third. Stuff seems fine, but not locating well - yet.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 25, 2016 13:21:35 GMT -5
This has all the makings of a 4 hour game. Even with Hanley's trying to speed up the game.
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Post by cutz on Sept 25, 2016 13:22:47 GMT -5
The home plate umpire clearly is ready for this game to be quick - his strike zone is huge and unpredictable so far. You sure got that right. No one on that field right now knows what is,or whats not a strike. He's inconsistenly bad for both teams.
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Post by bosox on Sept 25, 2016 13:22:57 GMT -5
The ump took the bat out of Hanley's hands in that at bat. The first two strike calls were awful.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 25, 2016 13:26:27 GMT -5
This has all the makings of a 4 hour game. Even with Hanley's trying to speed up the game. Yup - only three runs scored, only 7 total hits - but both pitchers are averaging over 25 pitches per inning. It was bound to be an odd game with the tragedy that is hanging heavy over all of baseball.
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