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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Oct 1, 2016 9:13:52 GMT -5
back to winning games.....love it. Let's finish with a sweep. That would mean that the guys would have swept every division rival in the last part of September. Not important....but would be very cool.
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Post by bigpupp on Oct 1, 2016 9:29:04 GMT -5
I mean, I can't stand Kimbrell but there's not much he can do when he throws strikes that are called balls. They were both on 3-1 counts anyways. I'm willing to bet even if called strikes, he would eventually have walked both. And you very well know that I'm not only talking about last night. He might have, but we'll never know because he wasn't given that chance. And I'm clueless with the "not only talking about last night" comment. I don't venture into the abortion that is the Kimbrell/Margot thread, so I don't know how often people have been making excuses for him all season.
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Post by bosox81 on Oct 1, 2016 9:42:53 GMT -5
You didn't have to venture there. They were all right here in game threads.
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Post by patford on Oct 1, 2016 9:57:21 GMT -5
His control does not exactly come and go. He basically depends on people swinging at balls. If every batter went up to the plate and did not swing at anything he would walk 50% of the batters he faces. This was not true in Atlanta. He's gone from throwing 49.6% pitches in the zone in 2012-2014 to 44.9%. The former rate would rank 113th among 379 MLB pitchers (40+ IP), while the latter would rank 307th. He's gone from throwing more pitches in the zone than about 70% of pitchers to throwing more than just 20%. That's massive. It's like the best in baseball becoming average -- which is more or less what's happened to him as a closer. I'm curious as to what "in the zone" means. Is is a measure of called strikes, swing and miss strikes, and struck balls? Or is there a stat which ignores all that and is based completely where a pitch shows up on a video monitor strike zone rectangle?
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 1, 2016 17:19:46 GMT -5
This was not true in Atlanta. He's gone from throwing 49.6% pitches in the zone in 2012-2014 to 44.9%. The former rate would rank 113th among 379 MLB pitchers (40+ IP), while the latter would rank 307th. He's gone from throwing more pitches in the zone than about 70% of pitchers to throwing more than just 20%. That's massive. It's like the best in baseball becoming average -- which is more or less what's happened to him as a closer. I'm curious as to what "in the zone" means. Is is a measure of called strikes, swing and miss strikes, and struck balls? Or is there a stat which ignores all that and is based completely where a pitch shows up on a video monitor strike zone rectangle? The latter. It's from the pitch/fx data which is used for the K zone graphic you see in every game (except the most important ones). All of their Plate Discipline metrics are based on it, and make them super useful. The metrics not labeled as such online are from human eyeballs working for Baseball Info Solutions; there's no need to cite them as an alternative for the years we have pitch/fx data (2007 on).
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 1, 2016 17:26:13 GMT -5
Not his sharpest outing, but hey, its progress compared to last time out, I'll take it. Not disagreeing because he really wasn't perfect, but the ump also screwed him on both walks, both fourth balls were damn inside the zone. That and the rain and coming out on top after that awful game he just had shows that Kimbrel is very resilient. The thing that makes the trade still potentially OK in terms of results, is that his decline is not a peak talent decline but a consistency decline. There are now far more nights when he has no FB command at all. In a post-season, if he happens to not have one of those nights and we win the WS because he is lights-out as a closer like Foulke, Papelbon, and Uehara before him, you'll have to say the trade had the desired end, although probably more from luck than design. So there is still hope. Of course, there is still the fear that he has one of his implosions and it costs you a series.
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Post by nomar on Oct 1, 2016 17:40:43 GMT -5
KC tied it up in the 7th vs Cleveland. I really want home field advantage against Cleveland. Kluber has gotten hit at Fenway.
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Post by nomar on Oct 1, 2016 18:15:27 GMT -5
That 2 seamer to Donaldson was just filthy. Since when did ERod have that?
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Oct 1, 2016 18:35:51 GMT -5
We got a damn good baseball team.
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Post by patford on Oct 1, 2016 18:43:05 GMT -5
I'm curious as to what "in the zone" means. Is is a measure of called strikes, swing and miss strikes, and struck balls? Or is there a stat which ignores all that and is based completely where a pitch shows up on a video monitor strike zone rectangle? The latter. It's from the pitch/fx data which is used for the K zone graphic you see in every game (except the most important ones). All of their Plate Discipline metrics are based on it, and make them super useful. The metrics not labeled as such online are from human eyeballs working for Baseball Info Solutions; there's no need to cite them as an alternative for the years we have pitch/fx data (2007 on). Thanks. So for what ever reason his control has gone seriously off.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Oct 1, 2016 18:44:10 GMT -5
I am not sold on Rodriguez as the 3rd starter in postseason. I would rather have....hate saying it....Buchholz as the 3rd starter. ERod just isn't consistant enough yet to be given that potentially pivotal game.
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Post by bosox on Oct 1, 2016 18:56:16 GMT -5
I am not sold on Rodriguez as the 3rd starter in postseason. I would rather have....hate saying it....Buchholz as the 3rd starter. ERod just isn't consistant enough yet to be given that potentially pivotal game. You may be right and they'll need to be on the ready for a long man out of the pen in either case (Pomeranz?).
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Oct 1, 2016 19:09:04 GMT -5
I am not sold on Rodriguez as the 3rd starter in postseason. I would rather have....hate saying it....Buchholz as the 3rd starter. ERod just isn't consistant enough yet to be given that potentially pivotal game. You may be right and they'll need to be on the ready for a long man out of the pen in either case (Pomeranz?). Steven Wright.
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Post by cutz on Oct 1, 2016 20:03:56 GMT -5
Nice to see E-Rod settle down.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Oct 1, 2016 20:04:56 GMT -5
Don't agree at all with taking out Ortiz there.
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Post by cutz on Oct 1, 2016 20:08:47 GMT -5
Don't agree at all with taking out Ortiz there. Just a guess: But, maybe Farrell is concerned about the conditions?
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Oct 1, 2016 20:10:18 GMT -5
Tie game with homefield on the line. The 8th would've been the inning to take him out.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Oct 1, 2016 20:54:56 GMT -5
Shaw strikes out of course. Nice one Farrell.
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Post by cutz on Oct 1, 2016 21:02:04 GMT -5
Tie game with homefield on the line. The 8th would've been the inning to take him out. Farrell more worried about potential injury, then home field? It would be nice if the Sox get Home field against Cleveland, but i think they beat them even if they don't.
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Post by DesignatedKyle on Oct 1, 2016 21:04:21 GMT -5
good stuff Joe!!
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Oct 1, 2016 21:14:10 GMT -5
Brock Holt pinch hitting for Young over Benintendi? Another head scratcher. What the hell was that?
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Post by templeusox on Oct 1, 2016 21:15:18 GMT -5
If you don't bunt there, why not use Benintendi? He's one of the best hitters in the sport.
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Post by Coreno on Oct 1, 2016 21:16:39 GMT -5
Quinn Wolcott is a rock star
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Post by Guidas on Oct 1, 2016 21:22:59 GMT -5
If I was a hitter against Kimbrel I wouldn't swing til the ump called a strike.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Oct 1, 2016 21:24:51 GMT -5
Regardless of how this game ends, Gibbons has out coached the hell out of Farrell.
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