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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 27, 2017 21:36:47 GMT -5
Did she really make a offensive foul call on that???!!! My God, go to the WNBA already.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 27, 2017 21:38:48 GMT -5
Can't wait to see Jaylen next year after a summer working out
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 27, 2017 21:40:58 GMT -5
This team goes as Isaah goes cold. They don't have another playmaker like him if he's doing nothing. This game is over.
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Post by wcp3 on Feb 27, 2017 21:45:15 GMT -5
This team goes as Isaah goes cold. They don't have another playmaker like him if he's doing nothing. This game is over. This game is the culmination of him playing careless basketball for about a month now. Maybe after tonight, he'll decide to start showing up focused again, because he got absolutely punked by Schroder. All in all, it's a little disconcerting how easily the Celtics fold against teams like Atlanta, Washington, and Toronto. As soon as those teams throw a punch, the Celts duck and hide in their corner.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 27, 2017 21:47:32 GMT -5
I don't think they duck and hide I just think it shows their lack of skill. You can get away with that against mediocre teams or when teams aren't bringing intensity or when you happen to be hot, but they have no one to go to when things get tough and it shows big time...
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 27, 2017 21:48:28 GMT -5
This team goes as Isaah goes cold. They don't have another playmaker like him if he's doing nothing. This game is over. This game is the culmination of him playing careless basketball for about a month now. Maybe after tonight, he'll decide to start showing up focused again, because he got absolutely punked by Schroder. All in all, it's a little disconcerting how easily the Celtics fold against teams like Atlanta, Washington, and Toronto. As soon as those teams throw a punch, the Celts duck and hide in their corner. I can't say I disagree at all. It was just a collection of awful tonight. Maybe I haven't been paying attention to know that it's been going on for this long. Hopefully it's just a bad streak that'll pass.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 27, 2017 21:50:24 GMT -5
I just hope I never see this NBA lady referee ever again. She has no idea how the NBA is supposed to be played.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 27, 2017 22:04:24 GMT -5
I hope Danny Ainge gets a little more motivated to do something big this summer instead of watching practices and "feeling good" and doing nothing at trade deadlines.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 27, 2017 22:07:16 GMT -5
Danny knows exactly what this team is and it's why he's not making the moves available
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 27, 2017 22:08:47 GMT -5
The trick is going to be to convince Isaiah he's a 6th man type on a championship type team.
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Post by wcp3 on Feb 27, 2017 22:08:58 GMT -5
I hope Danny Ainge gets a little more motivated to do something big this summer instead of watching practices and "feeling good" and doing nothing at trade deadlines. Eh, come on. Let's not overreact to a bad stretch, which happens over the course of an NBA season (even the Cavs are going through one right now). The Celts are in position to improve their win total for the fourth straight year, while getting younger and more talented. And they have a chance to continue that trend. Now if the asking price on George comes way down in the offseason (kinda like it did with Chris Sale), sure, make something happen. But I'd rather they not trade Espinoza for Drew Pomeranz.
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Post by wcp3 on Feb 27, 2017 22:09:59 GMT -5
The trick is going to be to convince Isaiah he's a 6th man type on a championship type team. He's a legit starter and go-to scorer on a title team. He just shouldn't be your best player.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 27, 2017 22:11:47 GMT -5
The trick is going to be to convince Isaiah he's a 6th man type on a championship type team. He's a legit starter and go-to scorer on a title team. He just shouldn't be your best player. I think he's better served as a McHale type 6th man... starters minutes but comes off the bench
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 27, 2017 22:17:09 GMT -5
I overreact constantly but this team has been down since the trade deadline. I think they got a little down on ownership after they basically just told the team-
"We don't believe in you a little to even make a small move this year."
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 27, 2017 22:58:39 GMT -5
You never over react! 😛
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 27, 2017 23:29:52 GMT -5
My overreacting is a borderline problem. Haha and it's ten times worse with the Sox. I'm just a casual Celtics fan, I admit.
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 28, 2017 7:09:21 GMT -5
The trick is going to be to convince Isaiah he's a 6th man type on a championship type team. I have been saying this for a while. Then with his continued success I started to think I was wrong, maybe I wasn't all along or the C's just need to find another go to guy when teams focus on just stopping IT. Was hoping Brown would become that guy.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 28, 2017 7:15:33 GMT -5
It's too early for Brown to be a go to guy. He's a 19 year old rookie afterall, if even just using last nights game, he was the most under control player for them in the 4th quarter. Had a smooth pull up jumper with a guy on him and knocked it down, took it to the hole and had an and one and grabbed an offensive board and finished in traffic.... he also had a nice drive and dump to Zeller that Zeller sucks so he couldn't do anything.... his and one was the result of him jumping a passing lane and taking it the length of the court...
As time goes on those stretches will get more consistent and longer. I really hope he keeps getting 20-30 a night when Bradley is back playing regularly. Him getting those minutes is more important than a win or two the rest of the way.
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 28, 2017 7:26:23 GMT -5
It wasn't just last night, Brown has been doing it for a little while. The game has slowed down for him a lot since the beginning of the yr. I don't get why the C's have such a problem in this area when there are a few guys having very good years when you look at the shooting %. They are just failing to get good ball movement when the other team turns up the intensity and IT starts looking for shots rather than looking for a teammate with the best shot.
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Post by mobaz on Feb 28, 2017 13:19:14 GMT -5
Not treading new ground here but really the Celts could use an upgrade at every position (or more accurately, any position). There's a lot of good and very good players 1 through 9, but finding someone great ANYWHERE is a priority, and as much as I hope for trade deadline fireworks the team showed it needs as many cracks at great as possible.
I think trying to get a better PG and better SF would go a long way, as much as I love Crowder and IT. An ideal path would be stumbling into Fultz (IT as bench microwave) and then having Jaylen make the leap or get Bulter on a discount (with remaining Crowder or Brown as 7th man). Not sure what to do about center, other than hope for a stash miracle.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 28, 2017 13:37:34 GMT -5
With Thomas playing at this level him starting isn't the problem. It's actually why we win. If you take away Thomas from this team they would struggle to win 30 games! For a team that seems to be all about offense, they lack guys that can create there own shot, outside of Thomas. They have only one player in Thomas that can get to line. It's basically Thomas and a bunch of jump shooters. It works when Thomas is playing lights out and others are making shots. When Thomas has an off night and others don't hit shots, last night happens.
This is exactly why I wanted another big, to get back to what we did last year. Play D and grind games out. Also someone like Jones gives you an athletic low post scorer we don't have. You could have traded a few 2nd rounders and Zeller and Mickey/Jerebko and got Jones and Bogut. Rebounding would have went from a major weakness to a strength. It would have also cost you almost nothing.
This team is trying to just outscore people, but the team isn't built to do that. It's full of 3 and D guys like Bradley and Crowder, defensive specialist like Johnson and a bulldog in Smart. Adding another defensive specialist in Bogut and more of a two way player in Jones fits this team like a glove. That team might have best depth in league and has the players to match up against any team in league. If it doesn't work out, it cost you a few second round picks.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 28, 2017 13:41:54 GMT -5
Not treading new ground here but really the Celts could use an upgrade at every position (or more accurately, any position). There's a lot of good and very good players 1 through 9, but finding someone great ANYWHERE is a priority, and as much as I hope for trade deadline fireworks the team showed it needs as many cracks at great as possible. I think trying to get a better PG and better SF would go a long way, as much as I love Crowder and IT. An ideal path would be stumbling into Fultz (IT as bench microwave) and then having Jaylen make the leap or get Bulter on a discount (with remaining Crowder or Brown as 7th man). Not sure what to do about center, other than hope for a stash miracle. How about a top 5 player at center for 20 cents on dollar? Oh wait, Pelicans got him.
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Post by jmei on Feb 28, 2017 14:08:07 GMT -5
Part of the reason this team has been successful offensively (sixth in the league in pts/100 poss) is their ability to space the floor with guys like Horford, Olynyk, Crowder and Jerebko. They're pretty much always playing at least one "big" who can shoot the three at any given time, and for something like 20+ minutes a game, they're playing two bigs who can shoot the three. That's a huge part of why they've been successful offensively despite not having much in the way of shot creation. Swapping out one of those guys for an offensively-limited player like Bogut or Jones will help their defense and rebounding, but it will significantly hurt their offense. It's unclear whether on a net basis that makes the team better.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 28, 2017 14:30:39 GMT -5
Really? I think it's quite clear this type of play won't work in Playoffs. Just look at our record against the better teams in the East. We beat up the lower teams and struggle against the good teams. The main issue is D and rebounding.
A number 6 offensive rating is great, but not when it takes a top 5 defensive team and makes them like #20.
I would much rather have a more balanced team, like top 12 offense and defense.
Players like Jerebko help spacing sure, but his net effect is negative, by almost 1.5 points. Jones won't give you the spacing Jerebko does, but he can score in post. Jerebko can't do that. Nevermind the upgrade in rebounding and D. In Playoffs when the game slows down, it would be nice to have a low post scorer.
In the Playoffs defense matters, very few teams can just out score the other team if you can't stop them. We certainly aren't the Warriors! If we get a bad matchup in playoffs we might not get out of first round again. What a shame.
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Post by jmei on Feb 28, 2017 14:45:55 GMT -5
The whole "you need X style to win in the playoffs" secret sauce stuff is mostly myth in basketball just as it is in baseball. You just need to be able to outscore the opponent. How you do it is not particularly relevant.
Terrence Jones has averaged 0.86 PPP in the post this year (37th percentile) and 0.78 PPP in the post last year (38th percentile). He's not really much of a post player these days.
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