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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 29, 2017 10:02:31 GMT -5
I'm not sure why we're focusing on "best fit" with regard to a potential top 2 pick. For me it's because after Fultz there doesn't seem to be a clear #2. Some people have Ball, some have Jackson. If you think they are about equal, then fit should be the tie breaker. Obviously you take best player no matter what.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 29, 2017 14:37:07 GMT -5
Is it fair to say that the Celtics not only have to beat the Cavs next week it's actually a disappointment if they don't?
The game is in Boston. The Cavs will be on the second night of a back to back and on their 3rd game in 4 nights.
Meanwhile the Celtics are at home tonight and Friday then in NY on Sunday then have 2 days off before playing the Cavs. NY really isn't Travel so they are basically well rested, on a long home stand and playing a tired beaten up team.
If they don't win, it will be a major disappointment.
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 29, 2017 14:56:43 GMT -5
Is it fair to say that the Celtics not only have to beat the Cavs next week it's actually a disappointment if they don't? The game is in Boston. The Cavs will be on the second night of a back to back and on their 3rd game in 4 nights. Meanwhile the Celtics are at home tonight and Friday then in NY on Sunday then have 2 days off before playing the Cavs. NY really isn't Travel so they are basically well rested, on a long home stand and playing a tired beaten up team. If they don't win, it will be a major disappointment. Although that makes all the sense in the world I can tell you from my gambling days that your thoughts on the game could be in for a surprise. Those circumstances would be exactly what I would be researching before placing a bet thinking that I was smarter than the average bear. I don't gamble anymore because the bottom line is they have to play the game and often times all that stuff doesn't matter. All in all though I do agree with you and will have to use my will power to not lay something down on it. I will say my favorite bet is the over and under on season wins for the Pats, that has been a winner an awful lot over the past 15 years.
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Post by digit on Mar 29, 2017 14:56:45 GMT -5
I just want them to have the number 1 seed. It's no guarantee of success, but it at least gives them a bit more better chance. At the least, it's hopefully at least one -less- 'home cooking' game for Lebron.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 29, 2017 15:36:38 GMT -5
I stopped gambling when a bookie cut me off bc I never lost more than $100 a week and "no one bets on baseball and wins".
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Post by wcp3 on Mar 29, 2017 19:27:56 GMT -5
Marcus Smart gets whacked in the face and gets called for a foul, gets up bleeding, and then the dirtbag official Ts him up.
It's time for the Celtics to publicly call out for the officials for the horrible treatment they've gotten this season.
Edit: quite possibly the least competent crew of officiating in the NBA, and we're seeing them at their best (worst) tonight.
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Post by wcp3 on Mar 29, 2017 20:27:28 GMT -5
Terrible lineup experiments and waiting two possessions too long to call a timeout=the Stevens Special
Not sure it's possible to have a worse coaching performance than Stevens tonight. The horrendous lineups, the poor use of timeouts, not extending the game at the end - just horrendous.
It was also comical seeing Monroe get away with dragging his pivot foot 9 feet at the end there, but the next call the Celtics get in crunch time will be the first one.
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Post by telluricrook on Mar 30, 2017 0:26:35 GMT -5
Terrible lineup experiments and waiting two possessions too long to call a timeout=the Stevens Special Not sure it's possible to have a worse coaching performance than Stevens tonight. The horrendous lineups, the poor use of timeouts, not extending the game at the end - just horrendous. It was also comical seeing Monroe get away with dragging his pivot foot 9 feet at the end there, but the next call the Celtics get in crunch time will be the first one. I have questioned his rotations all season long! Its pretty sad that Danny Ainge and the front office dont want to try to make a run or go deep with this team! There clearly were plenty of options available at the trade deadline or even before that to put this team in position to get to the finals. Our bigs might have size but they dont play big. Im sick and tired of watching Horford, Johnson, Olynyk get plowed under the basket by everyone all night.
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Post by telluricrook on Mar 30, 2017 0:28:58 GMT -5
Horford had a terrible giveaway with 2 minutes left in the 4th that lead to a bucket!
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 30, 2017 8:11:21 GMT -5
Terrible lineup experiments and waiting two possessions too long to call a timeout=the Stevens Special Not sure it's possible to have a worse coaching performance than Stevens tonight. The horrendous lineups, the poor use of timeouts, not extending the game at the end - just horrendous. It was also comical seeing Monroe get away with dragging his pivot foot 9 feet at the end there, but the next call the Celtics get in crunch time will be the first one. I have questioned his rotations all season long! Its pretty sad that Danny Ainge and the front office dont want to try to make a run or go deep with this team! There clearly were plenty of options available at the trade deadline or even before that to put this team in position to get to the finals. Our bigs might have size but they dont play big. Im sick and tired of watching Horford, Johnson, Olynyk get plowed under the basket by everyone all night. This post confused me from the start. Are Stevens lineups bad or does he not have the right players to rotate? Also, this team was just in first in the East and you're complaining they don't want to go deep in the playoffs... what players were clearly available to us and for what cost? You don't know who they could have gotten... other teams are involved and may be better fits or have players the other team wanted more. Not to mention when adding a guy late in the season it's not easy to work him into your squad. The NBA basically has very little practice time during the season and even less later in the year. On a team like the Celtics where everyone working as one unit is so vitally important adding a guy is even harder. For a team like Cleveland that has a simple system and 3 stud scorers it's a lot easier. Point being, whatever small upgrade player A brings in has to be weighed against the disruption of adding said player. Also, in the playoffs when we go to say an 8 man rotation with the starting 5 and Smart-Brown and KO coming in off the bench mostly then who's minutes does the acquisition take? Would you rather Brown lose playoff developmental minutes so we might be able to win a couple extra games? I'd rather see if Brown can step up in the playoffs. Or is KO not that good? We have a team that's not far removed from stripping itself down and starting its rebuild and they are in contention for the 1 seed in the East. They also have good young players and 2 more high lottery picks coming this year and next. Plus some cap space this year to work with. Don't get so pissed off that they didn't add some bench rotation piece to a team we aren't even sure would benefit much from it.
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Post by digit on Mar 30, 2017 8:15:53 GMT -5
Last night's loss annoyed me - they should have won that one.
Also, I believe they were trying for Butler and George, but they were asking a ridiculously -high- price for them.
Cousins... he was available cheaply, it seemed, but apparently the Celtics didn't want him because they felt he was a bad fit personalitywise for them, enough that they decided it was too risky to integrate him into the team. And I believe Ainge wasn't interested in giving away assets for what amounted to 'rentals'.
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Post by wcp3 on Mar 30, 2017 9:45:55 GMT -5
Cousins is on technical suspension watch basically every time he steps on the court. Considering the Celtics are already unfairly targeted by the league and officials, in fine with them not compounding that issue.
Stevens just needs to stop messing with the rotations for no apparent reason. Randomly playing Young in the 1st half, then playing Rozier for the first time all night late in the 3rd quarter - those are the types of moves you make in December but not with the playoffs a couple weeks away. And it seems like Olynyk is the only guy who gets benched for poor play, while Marcus (who I'm a HUGE fan of) gets to continue bricking bad shots without repercussion.
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Post by Coreno on Mar 30, 2017 12:06:39 GMT -5
Another thing about Cousins is that he wasn't really available for cheap. Sacramento loves Buddy Hield. In other words, the value they feel they got in that deal is much greater than the value most people would put on that package. We don't know if the Celtics have anyone that SAC covets as much as Hield.
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Post by digit on Mar 30, 2017 12:09:11 GMT -5
True enough, I'd forgotten Buddy Hield was held in much higher regard by Sac. than by the league. Although part of it was that they were in a rush to get him traded before the owner changed his mind again, if I recall.
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Post by telluricrook on Mar 30, 2017 13:22:51 GMT -5
I have questioned his rotations all season long! Its pretty sad that Danny Ainge and the front office dont want to try to make a run or go deep with this team! There clearly were plenty of options available at the trade deadline or even before that to put this team in position to get to the finals. Our bigs might have size but they dont play big. Im sick and tired of watching Horford, Johnson, Olynyk get plowed under the basket by everyone all night. This post confused me from the start. Are Stevens lineups bad or does he not have the right players to rotate? Also, this team was just in first in the East and you're complaining they don't want to go deep in the playoffs... what players were clearly available to us and for what cost? You don't know who they could have gotten... other teams are involved and may be better fits or have players the other team wanted more. Not to mention when adding a guy late in the season it's not easy to work him into your squad. The NBA basically has very little practice time during the season and even less later in the year. On a team like the Celtics where everyone working as one unit is so vitally important adding a guy is even harder. For a team like Cleveland that has a simple system and 3 stud scorers it's a lot easier. Point being, whatever small upgrade player A brings in has to be weighed against the disruption of adding said player. Also, in the playoffs when we go to say an 8 man rotation with the starting 5 and Smart-Brown and KO coming in off the bench mostly then who's minutes does the acquisition take? Would you rather Brown lose playoff developmental minutes so we might be able to win a couple extra games? I'd rather see if Brown can step up in the playoffs. Or is KO not that good? We have a team that's not far removed from stripping itself down and starting its rebuild and they are in contention for the 1 seed in the East. They also have good young players and 2 more high lottery picks coming this year and next. Plus some cap space this year to work with. Don't get so pissed off that they didn't add some bench rotation piece to a team we aren't even sure would benefit much from it. Nurkic is a guy that should be getting most of Amir Johnsons and all of Jerebkos and Zellers minutes. I dont care about those misleading net rating stats that Amir has. He just plays in the starting lineup for a shorter amount of time and still enough to qualify.
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Post by telluricrook on Mar 30, 2017 13:30:41 GMT -5
This post confused me from the start. Are Stevens lineups bad or does he not have the right players to rotate? Also, this team was just in first in the East and you're complaining they don't want to go deep in the playoffs... what players were clearly available to us and for what cost? You don't know who they could have gotten... other teams are involved and may be better fits or have players the other team wanted more. Not to mention when adding a guy late in the season it's not easy to work him into your squad. The NBA basically has very little practice time during the season and even less later in the year. On a team like the Celtics where everyone working as one unit is so vitally important adding a guy is even harder. For a team like Cleveland that has a simple system and 3 stud scorers it's a lot easier. Point being, whatever small upgrade player A brings in has to be weighed against the disruption of adding said player. Also, in the playoffs when we go to say an 8 man rotation with the starting 5 and Smart-Brown and KO coming in off the bench mostly then who's minutes does the acquisition take? Would you rather Brown lose playoff developmental minutes so we might be able to win a couple extra games? I'd rather see if Brown can step up in the playoffs. Or is KO not that good? We have a team that's not far removed from stripping itself down and starting its rebuild and they are in contention for the 1 seed in the East. They also have good young players and 2 more high lottery picks coming this year and next. Plus some cap space this year to work with. Don't get so pissed off that they didn't add some bench rotation piece to a team we aren't even sure would benefit much from it. Nurkic is a guy that should be getting most of Amir Johnsons and all of Jerebkos and Zellers minutes. I dont care about those misleading net rating stats that Amir has. He just plays in the starting lineup for a shorter amount of time and still enough to qualify. I dont care what they would have given up! They should have traded for him. He is a beast, The Nuggets just chose Jokic over him and he was pissed and now we all know why, already making a huge difference in Portland he won player of the week and more to come.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 30, 2017 13:35:26 GMT -5
You can debate what cheap means. I'm willing to bet that Brown and Nets pick this year gets you Cousins. It might have cost slightly less. The technical issue is huge and Cousins can't keep his cool. It's just to bad because he fit this teams needs like a glove.
I also think some people need to stop drinking the Tommy kool-aid when it comes to refs are out to get this team. That's exactly why he drives me nuts. Smart has a bad rep because of all his flopping. Just look at the Butler call at end of game. You hate to lose a game like that, but Smart did hit him slightly on elbow. If that was Thomas we would want the same call if there was slight contact. Smart needs to stop flopping and maybe he will get the benefit of the doubt every now and then.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 30, 2017 13:40:15 GMT -5
The amazing thing about the Nurkic trade is that got him and what is now a lottery pick for Plumlee. Just amazing! It looked like a horrible short sighted move to begin with, it looks worse now. The Nuggets made that trade to nail down the 8th seed and it now looks like they cost themselves the 8th seed by making that trade.
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Post by wcp3 on Mar 30, 2017 13:48:34 GMT -5
You need to stop constantly putting words in people's mouth - I basically tune Tommy out every night because his constant complaining. I don't think there's an anti-Boston agenda or anything, but the lack of star power makes the Celtics more susceptible to bad calls down the stretch. (That flagrant on Smart doesn't get called against a team with LeBron or Durant on it.) Meanwhile, there was a play a few weeks back when Dwight wrapped Isaiah around the neck that was deemed a regular foul. The technicals and flagrants are a league-wide issue, but it feels like the Celtics are consistently on the wrong side of the questionable calls.
And that call against Butler was inexcusably bad for two reasons:
1. The official waited to see if the shot went in before making the call, which is maybe my biggest officiating pet peeve. You can follow his eyes the whole time on some of the slow-mo closeups. The whistle doesn't take place till after the ball clanked away.
2. Butler doesn't even react slightly looking for a foul ... which is extremely telling considering how often players (especially stars) whine after every "foul." Those taps on the elbows hardly ever get called, nevermind in the closing seconds. We wouldn't have been talking about it if it happened to Isaiah because, well, no one would've noticed such a tiny tap.
It was also comical when the league said the refs got every call and nocall right in their Two Minute Report following the Bulls game. It was pure propaganda on their part at the expense of the Celtics. Contrast that with the report after the Warriors-Cavs game on Christmas, well the league basically apologized to Kevin Durant and GS for some of the blown calls.
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Post by telluricrook on Mar 30, 2017 13:59:08 GMT -5
You need to stop constantly putting words in people's mouth - I basically tune Tommy out every night because his constant complaining. I don't think there's an anti-Boston agenda or anything, but the lack of star power makes the Celtics more susceptible to bad calls down the stretch. (That flagrant on Smart doesn't get called against a team with LeBron or Durant on it.) Meanwhile, there was a play a few weeks back when Dwight wrapped Isaiah around the neck that was deemed a regular foul. The technicals and flagrants are a league-wide issue, but it feels like the Celtics are consistently on the wrong side of the questionable calls. And that call against Butler was inexcusably bad for two reasons: 1. The official waited to see if the shot went in before making the call, which is maybe my biggest officiating pet peeve. You can follow his eyes the whole time on some of the slow-mo closeups. The whistle doesn't take place till after the ball clanked away. 2. Butler doesn't even react slightly looking for a foul ... which is extremely telling considering how often players (especially stars) whine after every "foul." Those taps on the elbows hardly ever get called, nevermind in the closing seconds. We wouldn't have been talking about it if it happened to Isaiah because, well, no one would've noticed such a tiny tap. It was also comical when the league said the refs got every call and nocall right in their Two Minute Report following the Bulls game. It was pure propaganda on their part at the expense of the Celtics. Contrast that with the report after the Warriors-Cavs game on Christmas, well the league basically apologized to Kevin Durant and GS for some of the blown calls. Dont forget that game had the most money played on in the NBA this season. Bulls were a +1 and a pickem around game time!
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 30, 2017 14:04:06 GMT -5
What words did I put into people's mouth??? I didn't even mention a single person, so I would love to know how I did that.
You can dislike what the ref did on waiting to call the foul, but they do that all the time. Thomas has got his fair share of so so calls all season long. Has he not?
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Post by wcp3 on Mar 30, 2017 14:04:12 GMT -5
I mean, it's fun to read into the conspiracy narratives, but I think it's a lot simpler than that - Butler got a call that only a handful of players in the league would get.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 30, 2017 14:32:02 GMT -5
Hey I'm the one that suggested Bradley for a Nurkic deal in the offseason so I like the guys talent BUT we don't know what it would have taken PLUS, I don't ever excuse a guy for not working hard and quitting on his team. I'm sorry it's complete utter bull**** and not professional. I am fine with the Celtics taking a hard pass on a prima-donna who hadn't earned anything yet.
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Post by jmei on Mar 30, 2017 14:34:57 GMT -5
Reminder: please steer clear of the use of profanity. Thanks.
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Post by digit on Mar 30, 2017 14:41:06 GMT -5
I'm unclear who you were talking about, rjp313jr. Acquiring Nurkic, or acquiring Cousins?
From what I recall, post-Cousins trade, Ainge didn't even seem interested in trading a Nets pick for him.
I have no idea about Nurkic, though - that's one that seems like we didn't have the mid-range options available to acquire him, and I was wondering if they were trying to hold out enough cap space for the off-season for a max free agent. That seems to be a major part of the calculations involved for Ainge at the trading deadline, meaning either get a max, or get a minimum. No middle ground, it felt like.
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