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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 4, 2016 22:25:05 GMT -5
Ubaldo and Duensing warming. LOL.
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Post by nomar on Oct 4, 2016 22:27:38 GMT -5
Well this settles it. Showalter is a genuinely stupid. Managers are so behind the times it's insane.
Almost worse is that it's working. I want Baltimore to win but I can also picture Farrell watching, smiling, and nodding in agreement.
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Post by Coreno on Oct 4, 2016 22:34:07 GMT -5
Good outing, Ubaldo...
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Post by nomar on Oct 4, 2016 22:34:51 GMT -5
Well deserved loss.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 4, 2016 22:36:17 GMT -5
Waiting for the save situation that never came...
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 4, 2016 22:36:21 GMT -5
At least Britton should be pretty rested for their next game.
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Post by mredsox89 on Oct 4, 2016 22:41:55 GMT -5
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 4, 2016 22:50:06 GMT -5
Yeah, I thought that Britton could be hurt there as well.
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Post by telson13 on Oct 4, 2016 22:50:09 GMT -5
I was thinking Showalter completely Farrelled it there.
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Post by mredsox89 on Oct 4, 2016 22:52:28 GMT -5
Jeff Passan @jeffpassan Buck Showalter on Zack Britton: "He was fine."
Yea, Buck should be fired
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 4, 2016 22:53:53 GMT -5
Makes me wonder if Cameron would go such a distance to speculate Britton was injured if Yost or Farrell or someone like that was the manager.
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Post by huskies15 on Oct 4, 2016 22:54:05 GMT -5
I don't even think Farrell would have made that mistake. Buck just out thinking himself there. Wow.
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 4, 2016 22:55:43 GMT -5
Suspending judgment until we learn about Britton's health.
Not suspending judgment about the announcing crew he never mentioned that the O's had the best pitcher on the planet and were choosing not to use him to face the Blue Jays' best hitters with the season on the line.
Jimenez had 9 career relief appearances with a 7.56 ERA and 5.30 FIP. And he was the probable starter for ALDS game 1. The latter (also unmentioned by the announcers) suggests that Britton wasn't available.
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 4, 2016 22:58:03 GMT -5
Suspending judgment until we learn about Britton's health. Buck just said Britton was fine and available. Judge away!
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 4, 2016 23:02:26 GMT -5
Britton pitched 2 innings once this year, on 7/31, when he entered in the bottom of the 9th in a game tied 2-2 and pitched two scoreless innings. The O's won it 6-2 in 12.
That game was in Toronto. Britton faced Encarnacion in the 10th ... and struck him out.
Seriously.
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Post by p23w on Oct 4, 2016 23:08:49 GMT -5
I love it. Don't care for either team don't care for Gibbons, despise Showalter. Britton was the best reliever in baseball in 2016 and he never got into his teams extra inning elimination game. Can't wait to read the pundits explanations.
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 4, 2016 23:08:51 GMT -5
Suspending judgment until we learn about Britton's health. Buck just said Britton was fine and available. Judge away! I'm not just judging now, but pointing out further evidence of idiocy. There's an argument for saving your closer in a game like this until you're most likely to score next. Since a save is impossible, you want to put the guy in the best possible position to go two innings and save his own win. Hmm, who did the O's have coming up? Machado, Trumbo, Wieters, Davis.
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Post by mredsox89 on Oct 4, 2016 23:10:54 GMT -5
Now we'll see Cleveland's "closer" pitch in the 6th/7th inning, because Francona/his staff knows what they're doing
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Post by pedroelgrande on Oct 4, 2016 23:14:12 GMT -5
The last image I saw of our proven closer I kind of hope we don't have to see him.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 4, 2016 23:26:43 GMT -5
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Post by nomar on Oct 4, 2016 23:36:32 GMT -5
100% serious here, I would genuinely like to hear Farrell's take on the situation tonight. Did he agree, disagree, or maybe change the way he percieves things a bit from this? I have to say, I don't think he would bring in someone like Ubaldo in the 10th of a game 7 before Kimbrel. Really staggered by that.
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Post by radiohix on Oct 4, 2016 23:52:35 GMT -5
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 5, 2016 0:04:59 GMT -5
What's so baffling is that Showalter gambled a bit, holding off using Britton and turning instead to very, very good relievers in Brach and O'Day. And it succeeded brilliantly. Now he's set up Britton perfectly: if he goes 2 innings he will face 9-1, then Donaldson, Encarnacion, Bautista, Martin, and sandwiched in between he has his best hitters coming up (Machado though Davis).
If you don't win the game with Britton on the mound, the other guys in the pen were Bundy and Tommy Hunter. Bundy hadn't pitched since 9/25, and had a 3.08 ERA and 3.41 FIP in 22 relief appearances this year (far more than Jimenez had in his career, and immensely better) ... so even with the insanely awful choice to bring in one of his starters at this point, he made an awful decision.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 5, 2016 0:10:39 GMT -5
I'm always the one arguing about using your closer as a fireman too early when you assume it's the key inning but discount the possibility of the 9th inning being even more crucial.
Yet there I was surprised Showalter didn't use Britton in the 9th inning in a tie game, and I was even more shocked when he refused to use Britton when it was obvious to anybody and everybody that there was no way Ubaldo Jimenez was getting anybody out, especially the meat of their order.
Yeah, maybe they could have used Britton in the 14th inning to preserve a lead, but it was pretty obvious the game was going to be over in the 11th inning if he didn't use the best reliever in the league, yet he stupidly and stubbornly persisted with Jimenez.
This was an elimination game. There's no way you don't use Britton. You use him to face the meat of the order, figure he's your best chance for holding them and then you hope to score the next inning and you use your closer for two innings - three even if you have to - just like the Yankees did with Rivera in Game 7 of 2003. There's no tomorrow.
I think that was awful managing by Showalter who I would think is a much better manager than what he showed tonight, but at this point all I can do is shake my head - I mean that was downright moronic.
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Post by bluechip on Oct 5, 2016 1:03:09 GMT -5
I don't even think Farrell would have made that mistake. Buck just out thinking himself there. Wow. well by the book, on the road, you could save your closer until you get a lead. So Farrell might have made the same mistake as Buck.
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