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2016-2017 Red Sox Offseason (Non-Manager) Discussion
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Post by wrangler713 on Oct 17, 2016 22:50:56 GMT -5
Honestly, I wouldn't do too much to this team. Move Hanley to DH. Shaw stays at 3B. Sam Travis at 1B. I'd make two moves; Sign Jensen to close. I wouldn't sell low on Kimbrel. I'd also trade what it would take to get Sale, I'm going to assume JBJ, Erod, Moncada, and Devers. DH: Hanley 1B: Travis 2B: Dustin 3B: Shaw SS: Xander LF: Young CF: Beni RF: Mookie C: Vazquez/Leon Bench: Holt, Marrero, ST battle
Rotation: Sale, Price, Porcello, Wright, Buchholz
Pomeranz is kept for when someone goes down with a ST injury.
Jensen, Kimbrel, Ziegler(resigned), Ross, Kelly, and Hembree
I'm not counting on Panda for anything. Swihart goes down to triple-A to get more reps. Maybe gain value and ship off mid season for an upgrade somewhere.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 17, 2016 22:59:18 GMT -5
Honestly, I wouldn't do too much to this team. Move Hanley to DH. Shaw stays at 3B. Sam Travis at 1B. I'd make two moves; Sign Jensen to close. I wouldn't sell low on Kimbrel. I'd also trade what it would take to get Sale, I'm going to assume JBJ, Erod, Moncada, and Devers. DH: Hanley 1B: Travis 2B: Dustin 3B: Shaw SS: Xander LF: Young CF: Beni RF: Mookie C: Vazquez/Leon Bench: Holt, Marrero, ST battle Rotation: Sale, Price, Porcello, Wright, Buchholz Pomeranz is kept for when someone goes down with a ST injury. Jensen, Kimbrel, Ziegler(resigned), Ross, Kelly, and Hembree I'm not counting on Panda for anything. Swihart goes down to triple-A to get more reps. Maybe gain value and ship off mid season for an upgrade somewhere. Moncada, Devers, JBJ, and Eduardo Rodriguez for Sale....yuck. No thanks.
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Post by iakovos11 on Oct 18, 2016 7:36:17 GMT -5
You call that "not doing much?"
Also, penciling in Sam Travis for 1B would not be wise.
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Post by tookme55 on Oct 18, 2016 10:10:57 GMT -5
Moncada, Devers, JBJ and E Rod? Are you kidding me? That's 3 above average position players and future #2 starting pitcher. No way I'm giving up on E Rod. He's still only 23. His injury this spring really set him back this year.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Oct 18, 2016 10:40:47 GMT -5
Honestly, I wouldn't do too much to this team. Move Hanley to DH. Shaw stays at 3B. Sam Travis at 1B. I'd make two moves; Sign Jensen to close. I wouldn't sell low on Kimbrel. I'd also trade what it would take to get Sale, I'm going to assume JBJ, Erod, Moncada, and Devers. DH: Hanley 1B: Travis 2B: Dustin 3B: Shaw SS: Xander LF: Young CF: Beni RF: Mookie C: Vazquez/Leon Bench: Holt, Marrero, ST battle Rotation: Sale, Price, Porcello, Wright, Buchholz Pomeranz is kept for when someone goes down with a ST injury. Jensen, Kimbrel, Ziegler(resigned), Ross, Kelly, and Hembree I'm not counting on Panda for anything. Swihart goes down to triple-A to get more reps. Maybe gain value and ship off mid season for an upgrade somewhere. Along with what was previously mentioned, this leaves the Red Sox extremely thin with position players. If there is an injury to any non-catcher it would require Holt to play full-time (which would wear him down) and force Young to play against RHP. If there are two injuries, there are no options. That one man bench (Marrero isn't a major league player) isn't cutting it.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 18, 2016 10:54:23 GMT -5
Would anyone be super surprised if Erod was better than Sale within 2 seasons? I wouldn't trade him unless you're getting a Shelby Miller haul for him.
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Post by nomar on Oct 18, 2016 11:09:49 GMT -5
Would anyone be super surprised if Erod was better than Sale within 2 seasons? I wouldn't trade him unless you're getting a Shelby Miller haul for him. With his injuries and inconsistencies with mechanics, I would be pretty damn surprised unless Sale really takes a tumble.
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Post by Coreno on Oct 18, 2016 11:48:25 GMT -5
I dont know about better, but I'm not even sure the difference between them next season would be worth JBJ, nevermind two top prospects in addition.
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Post by klostrophobic on Oct 18, 2016 12:00:53 GMT -5
Would anyone be super surprised if Erod was better than Sale within 2 seasons? I wouldn't trade him unless you're getting a Shelby Miller haul for him. Rodriguez has such a wide range of where he'll be in two years that it wouldn't be a huge surprise. Could get over the nagging injuries and tipping pitches nonsense and be the best pitcher in the AL or just keep getting injured and never develop control and be Felix Doubront. Plus lol at trading Moncada for Sale. I wouldn't do that straight up. At least we know Frank Wren posts here, although wish he didn't call himself wrangler, it gives it away a little bit.
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Post by telson13 on Oct 18, 2016 12:03:36 GMT -5
Honestly, I wouldn't do too much to this team. Move Hanley to DH. Shaw stays at 3B. Sam Travis at 1B. I'd make two moves; Sign Jensen to close. I wouldn't sell low on Kimbrel. I'd also trade what it would take to get Sale, I'm going to assume JBJ, Erod, Moncada, and Devers. DH: Hanley 1B: Travis 2B: Dustin 3B: Shaw SS: Xander LF: Young CF: Beni RF: Mookie C: Vazquez/Leon Bench: Holt, Marrero, ST battle Rotation: Sale, Price, Porcello, Wright, Buchholz Pomeranz is kept for when someone goes down with a ST injury. Jensen, Kimbrel, Ziegler(resigned), Ross, Kelly, and Hembree I'm not counting on Panda for anything. Swihart goes down to triple-A to get more reps. Maybe gain value and ship off mid season for an upgrade somewhere. Moncada, Devers, JBJ, and Eduardo Rodriguez for Sale....yuck. No thanks. Funny, "Yuck" was exactly the reaction I had.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Oct 18, 2016 13:07:18 GMT -5
You know, it's a shame we couldn't build an uber bullpen. Signing Jansen or Chapman to be our closer would mean Kimbrel would be your 8th inning guy & I'm not sure he would/could do that (like Miller has). Again, Cleveland is showing a good/deep bullpen can do wonders in the playoffs.
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 18, 2016 16:07:49 GMT -5
Would anyone be super surprised if Erod was better than Sale within 2 seasons? I wouldn't trade him unless you're getting a Shelby Miller haul for him. With his injuries and inconsistencies with mechanics, I would be pretty damn surprised unless Sale really takes a tumble. I would be completely unsurprised if ERod were better. I'm been essentially saying that for a year. Fun fact: there were 151 starters who threw 33 or more innings in the second half of the season. Just three of them were in the top 25 in both K% and low Hard%. Corey Kluber (11th and 19th), Jon Lester (22 / 4), and Eduardo Rodriguez (24/3). Noah Syndergaard (9 / 29), Kyle Hendricks (27 / 22) and Julio Urias (28 / 1) were in the top 30 in both. This is pretty good company.
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Post by nomar on Oct 18, 2016 17:03:24 GMT -5
With his injuries and inconsistencies with mechanics, I would be pretty damn surprised unless Sale really takes a tumble. I would be completely unsurprised if ERod were better. I'm been essentially saying that for a year. Fun fact: there were 151 starters who threw 33 or more innings in the second half of the season. Just three of them were in the top 25 in both K% and low Hard%. Corey Kluber (11th and 19th), Jon Lester (22 / 4), and Eduardo Rodriguez (24/3). Noah Syndergaard (9 / 29), Kyle Hendricks (27 / 22) and Julio Urias (28 / 1) were in the top 30 in both. This is pretty good company. I'll wait for him to do it for 180+ innings before I anoint him a top 10 pitcher in baseball, but I hope to be surprised. I think he'll settle in as more of a #3 or back half 2.
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Post by p23w on Oct 18, 2016 17:24:17 GMT -5
You know, it's a shame we couldn't build an uber bullpen. Signing Jansen or Chapman to be our closer would mean Kimbrel would be your 8th inning guy & I'm not sure he would/could do that (like Miller has). Again, Cleveland is showing a good/deep bullpen can do wonders in the playoffs. If by "we" you refer to Dave Dombrowski, then don't hold your breath. We could have outbid the NYYankees for Miller when we had the chance.
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Post by p23w on Oct 18, 2016 17:25:55 GMT -5
Would anyone be super surprised if Erod was better than Sale within 2 seasons? I wouldn't trade him unless you're getting a Shelby Miller haul for him. I would be super surprised. Erod is nice, but Sale he ain't.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2016 17:57:28 GMT -5
You know, it's a shame we couldn't build an uber bullpen. Signing Jansen or Chapman to be our closer would mean Kimbrel would be your 8th inning guy & I'm not sure he would/could do that (like Miller has). Again, Cleveland is showing a good/deep bullpen can do wonders in the playoffs. To be fair, Cleveland's rotation has been pretty lights out as well, and they are getting timely hits. Bullpen has been great, no question, but there's more going on with that team right now.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 18, 2016 18:59:39 GMT -5
Would anyone be super surprised if Erod was better than Sale within 2 seasons? I wouldn't trade him unless you're getting a Shelby Miller haul for him. I would be super surprised. Erod is nice, but Sale he ain't. That and the fact that no one should ever expect a Shelby Miller type of deal for a mid rotation type ever again. No one will admit it in the Arizona organization, but people lost jobs because of that trade.
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Post by larrycook on Oct 18, 2016 22:38:52 GMT -5
Offseason wish list.
1.) pickup Buchholz option.
2.) we trade Pomeranz, wright, bradley, Johnson, Devers and dubon to the white sox for sale and Quintana.
3.) sign two good free agent relievers.
2017 rotation becomes sale, porcello, price, Quintana and Rodriquez.
Buchholz becomes the sixth starter out of the bullpen. Rest of bullpen is Kimbrel, Kelly, Barnes, Ross, scott, 2 free agents. Catchers - Leon, Vazquez Infield - shaw, pedroia, bogey, sandavol, holt, and Hanley. Outfield - betts, benintendi, swihart and young.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 18, 2016 23:02:14 GMT -5
Offseason wish list. 1.) pickup Buchholz option. 2.) we trade Pomeranz, wright, bradley, Johnson, Devers and dubon to the white sox for sale and Quintana. 3.) sign two good free agent relievers. 2017 rotation becomes sale, porcello, price, Quintana and Rodriquez. Buchholz becomes the sixth starter out of the bullpen. Rest of bullpen is Kimbrel, Kelly, Barnes, Ross, scott, 2 free agents. Catchers - Leon, Vazquez Infield - shaw, pedroia, bogey, sandavol, holt, and Hanley. Outfield - betts, benintendi, swihart and young. Sale and Quintana for Devers, a 32 year old knuckle ball pitcher, a pitcher with reported forearm soreness at the end of this season in Pomeranz, a pitcher with anxiety issues and didn't throw a single pitch in the major leagues this year in Brian Johnson, JBJ, and a top 10 prospect in Dubon. C'mon people. Stop it with these ridiculous ideas. On what planet or video game is this kind of trade possible?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 18, 2016 23:47:12 GMT -5
Would anyone be super surprised if Erod was better than Sale within 2 seasons? I wouldn't trade him unless you're getting a Shelby Miller haul for him. Nope. I just can't think of a reason why you would trade him, even for a huge return. He is our future when it comes to the rotation. He is our next Jon Lester!
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Post by p23w on Oct 18, 2016 23:52:34 GMT -5
This whole postseason is like watching the Red Sox Graduates. on a related note, why didn't we go after Rich Hill a little bit harder last year? "We" tried. Dombrowski wanted shiny new toys,
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Post by soxjim on Oct 19, 2016 0:11:38 GMT -5
You know, it's a shame we couldn't build an uber bullpen. Signing Jansen or Chapman to be our closer would mean Kimbrel would be your 8th inning guy & I'm not sure he would/could do that (like Miller has). Again, Cleveland is showing a good/deep bullpen can do wonders in the playoffs. If by "we" you refer to Dave Dombrowski, then don't hold your breath. We could have outbid the NYYankees for Miller when we had the chance. I'm not going to hold my breath, but DD wasn't the Sox GM when we lost Miller.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Oct 19, 2016 7:43:59 GMT -5
I'd really like a new bullpen arm or two.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 19, 2016 8:38:49 GMT -5
Would anyone be super surprised if Erod was better than Sale within 2 seasons? I wouldn't trade him unless you're getting a Shelby Miller haul for him. I would be super surprised. Erod is nice, but Sale he ain't. Right, not now. But you don't know what Sale is like in 2 years either.
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Post by p23w on Oct 19, 2016 10:38:16 GMT -5
If by "we" you refer to Dave Dombrowski, then don't hold your breath. We could have outbid the NYYankees for Miller when we had the chance. I'm not going to hold my breath, but DD wasn't the Sox GM when we lost Miller. We "lost" Miller in a trade for Erod. The NYYankees signed him as a FA from Bal. Miller was inclined to come back to the Red Sox, as they had the patience and coaching which allowed him to find himself. I am aware that Dombrowski was not the Sox GM at the time of the decision not to match the NYYankee bid for Miller. IF we had would Dombrowski have still made the deal for Kimbrell or Smith? I don't know, but I strongly suspect that one of those deals would not have been made. That said, Dombrowski has a poor track record for building bullpens. I have hope that Kelly has found himself and that Kimbrell's bad year was an anomaly. Too bad we didn't pull the trigger on Miller when we had the chance. Even Dombrowski couldn't f*** up that bullpen.
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