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Post by grandsalami on Oct 17, 2016 14:49:26 GMT -5
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 17, 2016 15:00:43 GMT -5
It may actually happen this year
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 17, 2016 15:10:03 GMT -5
Hopefully it happens next year, so the Sox can spend and use their large market power one last time. They'll be allowed to spend as much as they want by July. Sure they may lose a first round pick in the international draft, but that would of been a low first round pick anyways.
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Post by nomar on Oct 17, 2016 15:39:25 GMT -5
Will be a little weird adjusting to the team with the worst record get the best player in the traditional draft and the international draft. It typically does not play out that way today.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 17, 2016 15:47:43 GMT -5
Interesting. I could see teams still scouting younger players, especially outside of the DR (e.g., the Sox current run in Venezuela), and promising them money to NOT go to the academies and perhaps keep them something of a secret. I also don't know how realistic that'd be though.
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Post by mattpicard on Oct 17, 2016 18:01:54 GMT -5
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Post by Guidas on Oct 17, 2016 20:48:23 GMT -5
Sure, let's take money that isn't ours from some of the poorest people on the planet and instead minimize their potential gain while tying their futures to indentured servitude in the minor leagues so billionaires and MLB can have a little more pocket change. Sounds fair.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Oct 17, 2016 22:36:44 GMT -5
Sure, let's take money that isn't ours from some of the poorest people on the planet and instead minimize their potential gain while tying their futures to indentured servitude in the minor leagues so billionaires and MLB can have a little more pocket change. Sounds fair. You forgot to mention putting the future health of the sport itself at risk. |
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Post by pedroelgrande on Oct 17, 2016 22:46:45 GMT -5
It's gonna be a clusterf---. I can guarantee it.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 18, 2016 9:55:44 GMT -5
I don't disagree with any of the above. That said, it is already something of a cluster- down there, so I get wanting to try and fix it (not that I'm implying this is the top motivating factor for MLB - it's obviously the money first and foremost).
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 18, 2016 10:21:44 GMT -5
The main takeaway for an international draft is that the Red Sox will suffer from it. They will lose much of their advantage in having such great international scouting.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 18, 2016 23:43:38 GMT -5
How will a draft take away our advantage of great scouting?? last time I checked scouting was still needed in a draft. I think it's about time for a draft!
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Oct 19, 2016 8:07:43 GMT -5
How will a draft take away our advantage of great scouting?? last time I checked scouting was still needed in a draft. I think it's about time for a draft! Being good at international scouting goes a lot deeper than just being able to put a future 55 on a guy's slider. There's a reason why some teams have this continuous pipeline of international talent while others go years between finding significant prospects outside the US. |
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 19, 2016 8:30:24 GMT -5
How will a draft take away our advantage of great scouting?? last time I checked scouting was still needed in a draft. I think it's about time for a draft! There likely won't be any Red Sox development camps anymore and there will be much fewer draftees, at age 18 instead of 16. The gap between great scouting teams and less successful ones will be smaller. You also have to wait in line to draft players instead of being able to develop relationships with the ones you want. Now that relationship aspect with the players and their families will be gone. This is what the Red Sox excelled at. I wouldn't be surprised if teams stopped carrying DSL teams as well. |
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Post by jmei on Oct 19, 2016 9:06:40 GMT -5
Hot take: the "developing relationships" part of scouting is a net negative for both the league and amateur players, and I'll be glad to see it become a less prominent part of the IFA market.
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 24, 2016 0:18:23 GMT -5
Unlike HS seniors, these kids have no other option. And American kids who opt for college have a second leverage year, when they're juniors.
If I were the Dominican government, I'd make a big stink. I'd look to see if there was some U.S. law that could be the basis for a lawsuit.
I like the idea of making the whole more process upfront, but you simply cannot leave the players in a position where they have zero leverage. That just replaces one form of systemic abuse with another.
There has to be some outside-the-box solution where the players have some kind of leverage. Why not let every player be drafted up to three times? Give every team the same set of flexible slots, 1 through 10, and make the slots tradeable (the only reason to have slots is to make the trades easier; since the slots are flexible, you're really just giving each team the same pool and 10 slots to divvy them up in as they see fit). The actual draft would go 20 rounds, and then would continue a week later with bonus rounds for the players drafted just once, until every such player had a second potential suitor (this would protect against teams giving total lowball offers to kids drafted just once).
What you'd get in this draft is just negotiation rights, the chance to use one of your 10 picks on that player, for whatever amount of money you can sign him for, in competition with one or two other teams. The draft order thus becomes much less important; all it gets you is first dibs on the better players, but in theory the teams at the bottom could make up for that by spreading out their pool more equally on a bunch of mid-tier prospects, who would furthermore be unlikely to be drafted three times, and probably not even twice in the main 20 rounds.
In this system, you don't have to worry about teams finding it difficult to spend all of their money. If they're in that situation, they trade some slots to teams who are competing for the top picks.
Yes, it would be insanely complicated. I think that's good: it gives the benefit to smartly-run organizations. There's no benefit for tanking, either.
That's just an idea off the top of my head. You'd probably want to do a mock draft of a prior year's class to see how it might work, and the CBA would have to be written to allow modifications and improvements (which is to say, the opposite of Obamacare).
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 24, 2016 0:44:58 GMT -5
If I were the Dominican government, I'd make a big stink. but you simply cannot leave the players in a position where they have zero leverage. I don't know how a foreign country can make a stink about a negotiated labor law agreement inside the United States. The supreme court would throw that appeal out in a minute. The league can do whatever they want if it's negotiated and under contract with the players association. Just like the NFL holds all the leverage against their players. The only people that can prevent this from happening is the major league players from foreign countries that are already in the big leagues. Of course I can see a lot of them not wanting to get involved, not supporting enough or caring enough go raise a stink when this is being negotiated. I doubt the players association cares enough, there's barely any support for minor league players already in teams farm systems, never mind a bunch of 16 year olds in foreign countries. To put it simply, the draft is coming whether we chose to accept it of not. The owners and the offices of MLB always hold all the cards, especially when it comes to throwing their weight around and trying to save money long-term. Heck, the players association will be lucky enough to get the qualifying offer eliminated, never mind imposing a international draft. |
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Post by burythehammer on Oct 24, 2016 5:51:09 GMT -5
The main takeaway for an international draft is that the Red Sox will suffer from it. They will lose much of their advantage in having such great international scouting. And I'm not sure we'll have the brain power in our front office to find loopholes like we've been able to do in the past. |
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Post by borisman on Oct 24, 2016 7:59:18 GMT -5
I know there's probably an answer to this already but why can't international prospects be added to the June amateur draft? I know the HS kids have the option of going to college so that's one big issue but bad teams shouldn't be able to have 2 top picks in 2 separate drafts. I don't see how that's fair.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 14, 2016 13:09:56 GMT -5
In protest of the proposed international draft, VZ and DR are postponing showcases. www.baseballamerica.com/international/showcases-hold-response-international-draft/#Ixvz0psFcFGbYYwT.97
Until there is a resolution regarding a proposed international draft, several trainers in the Dominican Republic and Venezuela have decided to suspend holding showcases for players.
According to multiple sources, players are still available for teams to evaluate them if scouts go to their fields, where the players train and sometimes participate in games against players from other programs. Teams can also bring players in to their academies, if the players are at least 16 and thus eligible to enter the academy.
However, in an effort to show their opposition to an international draft, several trainers decided they won’t bring their top players together to have any major showcases, for now. A showcase for Venezuelan players in Aruba that was scheduled for Nov. 12-13 was postponed, as have other showcases in the Dominican Republic. While the Venezuelan showcase was postponed, scouts were able to watch a smaller workout for around a dozen Aruban players instead. Read more at www.baseballamerica.com/international/showcases-hold-response-international-draft/#16hmUYwjxp8ygqTb.99 |
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