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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 4, 2017 10:28:09 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 4, 2017 16:16:06 GMT -5
He's saying all the right things re: taking responsibility. That makes me forgive him and root for him.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 4, 2017 20:25:32 GMT -5
He's saying all the right things re: taking responsibility. That makes me forgive him and root for him. We agree on the first sentence and I'm optimistic. On the other hand, no matter what he does, what's done is done and I'm not likely to forgive his past digressions. What he's doing now only strengthens my thought that the past two years are all on him because the proof is right in front of us. If he's doing it now, he should have done it two years ago. My best case scenario is that he's traded when Devers is ready.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 5, 2017 8:56:43 GMT -5
He's saying all the right things re: taking responsibility. That makes me forgive him and root for him. We agree on the first sentence and I'm optimistic. On the other hand, no matter what he does, what's done is done and I'm not likely to forgive his past digressions. What he's doing now only strengthens my thought that the past two years are all on him because the proof is right in front of us. If he's doing it now, he should have done it two years ago. My best case scenario is that he's traded when Devers is ready. You can't change the past. I won't hold a grudge if someone really feels remorse and truly attempts to change. I rooted for Lackey a lot when he showed up in incredible shape after TJS also after I hated him for a few years.
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Post by brisox on Jan 5, 2017 10:30:27 GMT -5
He's saying all the right things re: taking responsibility. That makes me forgive him and root for him. We agree on the first sentence and I'm optimistic. On the other hand, no matter what he does, what's done is done and I'm not likely to forgive his past digressions. What he's doing now only strengthens my thought that the past two years are all on him because the proof is right in front of us. If he's doing it now, he should have done it two years ago. My best case scenario is that he's traded when Devers is ready. What is the point of holding onto stuff like that? Pablo is working hard he wants to succeed why not cheer for him? He has been working on his bat quickness and agility all winter,If we get a player anywhere near what he was in SF I believe we have a championship caliber club for many years . I don't get the sense that there is any Ill will in PS I just think things got away from him. I, for one, will be cheering heartily and I think he will add an enormous amount to clubhouse chemistry.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Jan 5, 2017 11:03:00 GMT -5
I believe I'll go the "forgive, but won't forget" route. The only thing I can say is that the 3B class that year was extremely thin. It's not like we had a choice between 5 or 6 talented 3B. It was Panda or Headley & that was about it.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 5, 2017 11:17:42 GMT -5
I'll be cheering for Pablo not because of past history, but because the Sox really need good production from him.
I'll turn on him just like everyone else here if he's 3 months into the season and not producing much of anything. Hopefully this doesn't happen and he's one of the best hitters in the Sox lineup this year.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 5, 2017 15:09:46 GMT -5
We agree on the first sentence and I'm optimistic. On the other hand, no matter what he does, what's done is done and I'm not likely to forgive his past digressions. What he's doing now only strengthens my thought that the past two years are all on him because the proof is right in front of us. If he's doing it now, he should have done it two years ago. My best case scenario is that he's traded when Devers is ready. What is the point of holding onto stuff like that? Pablo is working hard he wants to succeed why not cheer for him? He has been working on his bat quickness and agility all winter,If we get a player anywhere near what he was in SF I believe we have a championship caliber club for many years . I don't get the sense that there is any Ill will in PS I just think things got away from him. I, for one, will be cheering heartily and I think he will add an enormous amount to clubhouse chemistry. There's no point about it and it's not like as if it's excess baggage that weighs me down. When Pablo comes to bat I'll want him to do well just as much as when Mookie comes to bat. That's the Red Sox fan in me. Mookie has my respect, Pablo doesn't. That's the me part of me. For reference, there have been several successful Sox that I just never liked from the start. Lynn, Clemens, Nomar, Beckett for example. There are also some relatively obscure players that I liked a lot, Jensen, White, Piersall, Hobson, Barrett, for example. There's no need to idolize everyone just because they put on a Sox uni.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 5, 2017 15:41:22 GMT -5
How could you not like Nomar back in the day?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 5, 2017 20:02:07 GMT -5
How could you not like Nomar back in the day? That one's easy, he snubbed the fans and always did. The batting glove game delay thing also drove me crazy. If I was a pitcher I'd be trying to help him adjust his gloves.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 5, 2017 20:33:53 GMT -5
Nomar hosted a bowling tournament for charity every year for the past few years he was here and he was always gracious when talking to the media. I don't know where you get the concept of him snubbing fans.
From 1997-2003 there was nothing to hate about Nomar besides the injuries from time to time. He was one of the most valuable position players in baseball during this time.
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Post by James Dunne on Jan 5, 2017 20:36:48 GMT -5
he was always gracious when talking to the media. I don't ever type "lol" but I actually chortled audibly.
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Post by m1keyboots on Jan 5, 2017 20:38:14 GMT -5
How could you not like Nomar back in the day? That one's easy, he snubbed the fans and always did. The batting glove game delay thing also drove me crazy. If I was a pitcher I'd be trying to help him adjust his gloves. Well I can agree with what you said earlier liking players more than others. Nomar shook my hand as an 11 year old, and folded and creased my glove a bit as my dad watched on in absolute shock. Nomar folded and bent on my glove. So, he didn't snub me, or the 15 other kids he talked to/signed autographs for on thag day at Fenway. Also, and this is just observation, but the only other guys out there doing that (over those 2 games) were Troy O'Leary and Patt Rapp I believd As for the glove thing, now that roughly 1/3 of the league does that sort of thing are you holding it against them? I said it before In this thread and I'll say it again, it takes a man to take responsibility, and a professional to strive to correct mistakes for himself, organization or for us, the fans. It's not good to have hate (call it what you want, disdain or dislike) in your heart. It wasn't like he stole your money and it wasn't like Nolan arenado was the other guy on the market. Edited for some spelling errors. What's new.
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Post by m1keyboots on Jan 5, 2017 20:40:21 GMT -5
Wait a munite, didn't Nomar save some lives in the Harbor? But I don't like him because he has an atbat routine...smh
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Post by James Dunne on Jan 5, 2017 20:43:44 GMT -5
This thread strongly fits the narrative Nomar was really really good with kids and notoriously cold toward adult fans.
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Post by m1keyboots on Jan 5, 2017 20:47:34 GMT -5
This thread strongly fits the narrative Nomar was really really good with kids and notoriously cold toward adult fans. In all seriousness Mr Dunne....he was talking to my dad while he was molding the glove. Probably onLy 30 seconds. No Cameras around, no smart phones. Maybe this was just a freak occurance, and this isn't just for the sake of disagreeing with you. But my Dad and I surely will never forget it. Also shout out to Pat Rapp he was a nice guy. Played pick the hand with bubble gum.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 5, 2017 20:50:52 GMT -5
he was always gracious when talking to the media. I don't ever type "lol" but I actually chortled audibly. He might not of always wanted to talk but when he didn't he would tell you and at least give you that much. I shouldn't of used the word "always" I suppose.
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Post by m1keyboots on Jan 5, 2017 20:58:09 GMT -5
Why would anyone want to talk to guys like Shaughnessy or Mazz, or any other of the goon squad back in the day.
I think it's likelier that Boston has some cruel and malicious members of the media, rather than a Bosox stars being "cold" IE Ted, Manny, Rice, Nomar?, Beckett. Even Tek would just say the same 4 words over and over to avoid the vitriol spewed by Redsox Media sources.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 5, 2017 22:01:39 GMT -5
I think it's natural for any of us to like some players more than others based on our personal tastes and the impressions the players make on us via the media coverage however real that may or may not be.
Personal experiences are a different factor and not generic to the players as a whole. For me, in baseball, I had positive personal interaction with Johnny Logan, Jackie Jensen and Jimmie Piersall and a negative interaction with Bobby Gritch. For 70's Bruins, I can speak from lots of social interaction with virtually all of them.
ADD: Hate is way too strong a word to have been used here. That I reserve for Hanoi Hannah Fonda. Like or dislike is not my Panda emotion. He lost my respect, that's a totally different emotion.
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Post by telson13 on Jan 5, 2017 23:04:44 GMT -5
This thread strongly fits the narrative Nomar was really really good with kids and notoriously cold toward adult fans. It always seemed to me that he was uncomfortable with adults as a product of his obsessive-compulsive personality type. Maybe a little Asperger-ish. Couple that with autograph-selling and I think he kind of just didn't trust older fans' motives, as a general rule. It never bothered me, I just loved watching the guy hit.
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Post by telson13 on Jan 5, 2017 23:10:47 GMT -5
Why would anyone want to talk to guys like Shaughnessy or Mazz, or any other of the goon squad back in the day. I think it's likelier that Boston has some cruel and malicious members of the media, rather than a Bosox stars being "cold" IE Ted, Manny, Rice, Nomar?, Beckett. Even Tek would just say the same 4 words over and over to avoid the vitriol spewed by Redsox Media sources. That's a reasonable point. The Boston media long fed some really unctuous, cynical thinking to the fan base, which are it up. It's why Nick Cafardo still has a job, and Will McDonough (misery, personified) did for so long. As an aside, Sean McDonough will always be one of my favorite announcers, and for all the the whining by C.H.B., he's been terrific in the few times I've emailed him. So I think some of it is a persona he's encouraged to sell by the Globe. Cafardo, OTOH, is just as mindless and condescending in correspondence as his writing.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 13, 2017 10:17:01 GMT -5
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Post by mredsox89 on Jan 13, 2017 11:58:08 GMT -5
It seems pretty apparent that at least for now, Sandoval cares. I'm not sure what more fans could honestly ask for at this point. I truly think he was embarrassed with last season. Really hoping he blows the low expectations out of the water
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Post by Guidas on Jan 16, 2017 14:06:09 GMT -5
At least he's got his gloves up and on his toes. The hand speed is...well at least he has his hands up.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 17, 2017 10:04:53 GMT -5
As a fan I am hoping for the best. Shouldn't we all be? He is certainly putting in the effort!!
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