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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 30, 2016 13:58:34 GMT -5
It occurred to me the Cubs and Red Sox probably can line up on a trade, although I think neither side would do it.
Assuming Dexter Fowler is not committed to, the Cubs would need a CF. Meanwhile the Sox could use a young lefty cost controlled masher.
Schwarber for JBJ makes some sense for both sides, and if the Cubs kick in Soler to take a corner OF spot as Schwarber DHs it could make some sense for the Sox. The Cubs would have a more functional OF of Zobrist/JBJ/Heyward. Perhaps the Sox send either Kelly or Hembree to complete that type of deal.
But I think Theo would really not want to give up Schwarber while the Red Sox would gain a bit more offense, but would lose out on a lot of defense, so I don't think either club makes this move, nor should they necessarily, but it's something to ponder, even if it's only for a minute or so.
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Post by rookie13 on Oct 30, 2016 15:30:48 GMT -5
Interesting idea. I don't think the Sox defense would take that large of a hit, seeing as how Mookie can play CF or RF, with Benintendi being a quality defender himself. From the Cubs perspective I think there's at least a chance they would consider a deal like this, but I think the Sox would be more hesitant. I personally would sell high on JBJ and wouldn't be opposed to this trade; however, the question marks surrounding both Schwarber and Soler are noticeable enough that I don't see this ever happening.
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Post by mattpicard on Oct 30, 2016 16:26:00 GMT -5
I'm not big on Soler. He's yet to prove himself as much of an offensive force, and his defense is pretty terrible. He'd have to play LF at Fenway, and Benintendi probably isn't any better than average in CF (if that), and he lacks the arm for RF. Going from Beni/Bradley/Betts to to Soler/Beni/Betts brings down your outfield defense dramatically. I honestly think a combination of Shaw/Young/Holt in left field could be just as (if not more) effective than Soler, both offensively and defensively.
Do we really want to trade a 5 WAR CF (who allows us to play plus/elite defenders in the corners) for a 1.5-3 WAR DH that may be pretty awful against left-handed pitching?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 30, 2016 17:33:48 GMT -5
I'm not big on Soler. He's yet to prove himself as much of an offensive force, and his defense is pretty terrible. He'd have to play LF at Fenway, and Benintendi probably isn't any better than average in CF (if that), and he lacks the arm for RF. Going from Beni/Bradley/Betts to to Soler/Beni/Betts brings down your outfield defense dramatically. I honestly think a combination of Shaw/Young/Holt in left field could be just as (if not more) effective than Soler, both offensively and defensively. Do we really want to trade a 5 WAR CF (who allows us to play plus/elite defenders in the corners) for a 1.5-3 WAR DH that may be pretty awful against left-handed pitching? Well, that's kind of the rub. The Sox would definitely hurt themselves defensively. JBJ is a good offensive player, but he's not really middle of the order material the way Schwarber is, and of course Schwarber is nothing but a DH, and the ripple effect of losing Bradley makes the defense a lot worse and Schwarber's bat is probably not enough to make up for it unless the Sox get a very good corner OF. I mentioned Soler because I know he's young, cheap, and expendable for the Cubs, and he at least has potential to be better than he's been. I honestly wouldn't make the deal either, but I'd think about it, though. Schwarber's bat is an appealing option as a DH replacement for Ortiz and a middle of the order bat. In time, perhaps Moncada shifts to CF and Devers perhaps fast tracks to wind up at 3b and with Schwarber at DH maybe the 2018 or 2019 lineup looks like this? 2b Pedroia CF Moncada LF Benintendi RF Betts DH Schwarber 1b Ramirez SS Bogaert 3b Devers C Swihart Again something to consider, but no, I don't make the trade, but I just wanted to point out that the teams' needs make for a potential, albeit risky type of deal. Now if the ChiSox want JBJ for Sale and the rest of the package isn't too bad, that's a different story. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 31, 2016 3:33:24 GMT -5
Here's a interesting proposal that would probably never happen.
David Price
JBJ
Buchholz
For
Heyward
Arrieta
Swarber
I would be all for this deal. Move Mookie back to CF and don't lose a thing defensively.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 31, 2016 4:31:08 GMT -5
Do we really want to trade a 5 WAR CF Well there's only one trade for JBJ that makes a little sense is for Chris Sale. Other then that probably not. Here's the real money question though, is JBJ really a 5 win player moving forward or is he really a 3-4 win player (mostly because of his defense). That's the real question. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 1, 2016 13:27:47 GMT -5
Here's a interesting proposal that would probably never happen. David Price JBJ Buchholz For Heyward Arrieta Swarber I would be all for this deal. Move Mookie back to CF and don't lose a thing defensively. I want no part of the worst contract given last year, which went to Heyward. At this point his value is negative due to that huge contract. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 1, 2016 13:35:57 GMT -5
Do we really want to trade a 5 WAR CF Well there's only one trade for JBJ that makes a little sense is for Chris Sale. Other then that probably not. Here's the real money question though, is JBJ really a 5 win player moving forward or is he really a 3-4 win player (mostly because of his defense). That's the real question. He's closer to a 5 war player going forward than a 3 war player. Frankly I don't think we've even come close to seeing Bradley's best season. He has great strike zone judgement, but gets away from it trying to hit HR. When he finds the right balance, I think he will cut down on strikeouts and have better ABs. |
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