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Baseball America Red Sox Top 10
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Post by jmei on Nov 3, 2016 4:25:17 GMT -5
1. Andrew Benintendi, of 2. Yoan Moncada, 2b/3b 3. Rafael Devers, 3b 4. Michael Kopech, rhp 5. Jason Groome, lhp 6. Sam Travis, 1b 7. Mauricio Dubon, ss 8. Luis Alexander Basabe, of 9. Bobby Dalbec, 3b 10. Roniel Raudes, rhp Link: www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2017-boston-red-sox-top-10-prospects/#YStJkp4eqIa0wred.97Chat with Alex Speier (Thursday, 2:00 PM): www.baseballamerica.com/minors/red-sox-top-10-prospects-chat/#Ohhj4D3tPJbC3OAD.97Supplemental Boston Globe article: click.email.bostonglobe.com/?qs=d012010bb93a555460785a4caa72e8064dd18a980626400bb6a1ee7bf9c3b2b1f00c24b9dadfd9e8
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Post by borisman on Nov 3, 2016 6:43:06 GMT -5
Oh man, I'm going to miss the chat. Can someone copy it & send it to me or post it somewhere until BA locks the chat as subscriber only? I think it's free for a day or so, so hopefully I'll be able to read it on BA tomorrow before it's locked.
Raudes being top 10 is awesome but by all the scouting scratch on him he will need to be able to spot his pitches extremely well so more one of his pitches will have to be obedient for him to make the show.
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Post by James Dunne on Nov 3, 2016 7:13:44 GMT -5
I suppose the biggest surprise there is Johnson outside of the top 10. In straight ordinal terms, Raudes at 10 is a fair jump, but realistically it isn't. Everyone from about 7 to 16 is pretty tight.
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Post by ramireja on Nov 3, 2016 11:56:22 GMT -5
I suppose the biggest surprise there is Johnson outside of the top 10. In straight ordinal terms, Raudes at 10 is a fair jump, but realistically it isn't. Everyone from about 7 to 16 is pretty tight. I hear you. Johnson at 25 years old is basically going to suffer from post-prospect fatigue and also his poor season last year. He's still in my top 10 and I think he can contribute to the big club if given a chance next year. That said, we will probably see him as high as #6/#7 on some lists and as low as the late teens if evaluators think he needs to prove himself next year.
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Post by RedSoxStats on Nov 3, 2016 13:16:54 GMT -5
This seems like a pretty big bummer
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 3, 2016 13:38:29 GMT -5
This seems like a pretty big bummer That... seems backwards?
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Post by thebogeyman on Nov 3, 2016 13:57:23 GMT -5
I asked this one for deepjohn...
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Post by RedSoxStats on Nov 3, 2016 14:05:59 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 3, 2016 14:39:30 GMT -5
Yeah, clearly bad reports on Anderson, which isn't surprising if you look at how his debut went. Hopefully we can get him on the pod and chat - lots I'd like to pick his brain about. In the meantime, he chatted with John Manuel on his podcast this week - looking forward to listening to that.
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Post by RedSoxStats on Nov 3, 2016 15:16:38 GMT -5
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Post by wcsoxfan on Nov 3, 2016 16:41:47 GMT -5
Thanks for the link soxscout - I'm sure one poster will love this excerpt:
And he goes even further later in the chat - putting Kopech ahead of Espinoza as a prospect:
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Post by burythehammer on Nov 4, 2016 5:46:46 GMT -5
My guess is he was relying heavily on Red Sox sources to make that evaluation.
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Post by borisman on Nov 4, 2016 9:30:01 GMT -5
You're the best! Thank you!
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Post by borisman on Nov 4, 2016 9:33:48 GMT -5
I actually sent my question in right before I left work, even though I knew I'd miss the chat. Glad to hear Alex say what we all thought would happen. We should all be giddy right now. Let's hope the top prospects feel the same way. Notice where I said I was from Boris (soxprospects.com): Hi Alex. Love your work. A little off topic but where do the Sox currently stand as far replenishing the top part of their prospect list with IFA's after being unfairly penalized by MLB. Alex Speier: I imagine that, in what could be the last year of the current international amateur free agency restriction, we will see the Red Sox spend an absolutely enormous amount when the green flight starts blinking on July 2.
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Post by GyIantosca on Nov 4, 2016 9:40:47 GMT -5
Everyone should be pumped the Sox should be able to assault the foreign market next year. I mean I hope money is no object a little payback for last year.
I love the Red Sox next generation of FO talent. Romero , Rickard. , Bannister. I believe in these three. I am not familiar with the others but if DD believes in them it's good enough for me.
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Post by James Dunne on Nov 4, 2016 9:47:57 GMT -5
So, elephant in the room here... How's everyone feel about Benintendi over Moncada? On the one hand, I would absolutely not have had that in mid-August, and I don't tend to be comfortable changing my mind on basically one month by one player and a dozen at-bats by another. But man, Benintendi hit .295/.359/.476 fourteen months after college. What's the downside here? As high as I've been on him, I think I've been undervaluing the potential upside because of his physical makeup. But having watched him play semi-consistently, there really just aren't any playable physical limitations. He's a fantastic ballplayer.
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Post by borisman on Nov 4, 2016 10:16:27 GMT -5
How about a tie I think that Moncada was trying to hit for more power as the year went on which led to a lot of his swing and miss problems, especially from the right side. He may also started to wear down and the position changes may have had something to do with his struggles as well. (other than the first couple of games he did look absolutely lost once in Boston) I don't think it matters much as Beni will graduate soon enough which will likely, barring a surge from Devers, Groome (and I'll even say Kopech, just to please deepjohn...haha) leave Moncada as the top prospect. I don't think there's too much pressure to change the ranking but I wouldn't be surprised if it did happen.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 4, 2016 10:36:04 GMT -5
Alex has written that they had to have a lot of discussion about it and that it was really more 1 and 1a. On the podcast he did with Manuel, which I highly recommend after getting most of the way through it this morning, they say both will be Top 5 prospects in baseball, and listing Benintendi first says more about him moving up than about Moncada.
Really, it's kind of a classic ceiling/floor debate, but among two elite prospects. Moncada's got the tools to be a super-duper-star, whereas Benintendi looks like a guy who could certainly be a superstar but maybe not to that level. Meanwhile, Benintendi looks, at the very very worst, like an average to above-average regular, whereas you could see a possibility of Moncada going Lars Anderson on us in Triple-A, although I find it hard to believe that'd happen given the tools alone.
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Post by ramireja on Nov 4, 2016 11:41:45 GMT -5
Alex has written that they had to have a lot of discussion about it and that it was really more 1 and 1a. On the podcast he did with Manuel, which I highly recommend after getting most of the way through it this morning, they say both will be Top 5 prospects in baseball, and listing Benintendi first says more about him moving up than about Moncada. Really, it's kind of a classic ceiling/floor debate, but among two elite prospects. Moncada's got the tools to be a super-duper-star, whereas Benintendi looks like a guy who could certainly be a superstar but maybe not to that level. Meanwhile, Benintendi looks, at the very very worst, like an average to above-average regular, whereas you could see a possibility of Moncada going Lars Anderson on us in Triple-A, although I find it hard to believe that'd happen given the tools alone. Yes, and given that (in my opinion), Moncada's ceiling is only slightly higher than Benintendi's, and Benintendi's floor is way higher than Moncada's....I'm in agreement with the BA ranking.
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Post by Coreno on Nov 4, 2016 14:00:32 GMT -5
Yeah, I would think it's basically a tie on talent, but considering Benintendi has already proven his talent as much as he has at the major league level, he gets first billing.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 4, 2016 14:03:06 GMT -5
Alex has written that they had to have a lot of discussion about it and that it was really more 1 and 1a. On the podcast he did with Manuel, which I highly recommend after getting most of the way through it this morning, they say both will be Top 5 prospects in baseball, and listing Benintendi first says more about him moving up than about Moncada. Really, it's kind of a classic ceiling/floor debate, but among two elite prospects. Moncada's got the tools to be a super-duper-star, whereas Benintendi looks like a guy who could certainly be a superstar but maybe not to that level. Meanwhile, Benintendi looks, at the very very worst, like an average to above-average regular, whereas you could see a possibility of Moncada going Lars Anderson on us in Triple-A, although I find it hard to believe that'd happen given the tools alone. Or Andy Marte. I wonder what DD is thinking in terms of trading Moncada. He's never going to be the number one prospect in baseball ever again.....I want to see him grow in the system but we don't know what DD is thinking, especially with Benintendi succeeding already in the big leagues.
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Post by thursty on Nov 4, 2016 14:10:38 GMT -5
So, elephant in the room here... How's everyone feel about Benintendi over Moncada? On the one hand, I would absolutely not have had that in mid-August, and I don't tend to be comfortable changing my mind on basically one month by one player and a dozen at-bats by another. But man, Benintendi hit .295/.359/.476 fourteen months after college. What's the downside here? As high as I've been on him, I think I've been undervaluing the potential upside because of his physical makeup. But having watched him play semi-consistently, there really just aren't any playable physical limitations. He's a fantastic ballplayer. I'd say his arm is a physical limitation, below average; while Moncada's looked well above average
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Post by mandelbro on Nov 4, 2016 16:11:23 GMT -5
So, elephant in the room here... How's everyone feel about Benintendi over Moncada? On the one hand, I would absolutely not have had that in mid-August, and I don't tend to be comfortable changing my mind on basically one month by one player and a dozen at-bats by another. But man, Benintendi hit .295/.359/.476 fourteen months after college. What's the downside here? As high as I've been on him, I think I've been undervaluing the potential upside because of his physical makeup. But having watched him play semi-consistently, there really just aren't any playable physical limitations. He's a fantastic ballplayer. If you look at upside solely as size/speed/raw power/arm strength, then Moncada is the higher upside player. But Benintendi has shown the ability to handle everything the Sox have thrown at him and then some. Now? He's the youngest guy on the field in Fenway park and he's still hitting. He's clearing out fastballs and laying off close pitches. He's been selective despite his age, and when he swings he rarely misses. Isn't all of that upside in it's own right? I'm not trying to dig on Moncada for his SSS struggles. I just don't think the fact that AB has a fringey arm is that significant. That means he can't be Mike Trout, that's all. Maybe Benintendi's swing/eye/coordinative gifts are just as unteachable.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 4, 2016 16:50:15 GMT -5
So basically, Moncada is the better athlete and Benintendi is the better ballplayer at this point. Which is why it makes sense that he's number one on the list.
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Post by deepjohn on Nov 4, 2016 17:40:44 GMT -5
Alex has written that they had to have a lot of discussion about it and that it was really more 1 and 1a. On the podcast he did with Manuel, which I highly recommend after getting most of the way through it this morning, they say both will be Top 5 prospects in baseball, and listing Benintendi first says more about him moving up than about Moncada. Really, it's kind of a classic ceiling/floor debate, but among two elite prospects. Moncada's got the tools to be a super-duper-star, whereas Benintendi looks like a guy who could certainly be a superstar but maybe not to that level. Meanwhile, Benintendi looks, at the very very worst, like an average to above-average regular, whereas you could see a possibility of Moncada going Lars Anderson on us in Triple-A, although I find it hard to believe that'd happen given the tools alone. I'm on record as one who asked the powers that be to promote Benny over Yoan as the better prospect in the prospects thread. In the Benintendi thread I said, Get your Benny Baseball gear ready, pretty early on. His very low K rate and very high ISO were the key indicator for me. Looks like it was a lucky guess, in hindsight. Going forward, though, for me (and some industry scouts I've heard), I have him top rated the way that Betts and Harper were. He's like those guys in the way he can project so much power even without a huge body. (For some reason, I think of Conigliaro, too.) I think Moncada hasn't yet shown the indicators that I would use to project the jump to MLB pitching. Long before he was called up, I was on the record here as worried about his high K rate, and what looks like a platoon swing (at least for now). That's not to say he won't fix that, but he hasn't fixed it yet (IMHO).
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