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Post by James Dunne on Nov 17, 2016 9:40:20 GMT -5
I don't want to say never, because people smarter than I may - hopefully will - find a way to maximize the value of relievers. I'd certainly buy 80 innings of the highest leverage innings spread over multiple games *could* be more valuable than 200 innings ever fifth game, in an exceptional circumstance. But no way is the traditional ninth-inning usage pattern meeting the bill.
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Post by klostrophobic on Nov 17, 2016 10:49:44 GMT -5
Kate Upton is a classy women. In what world is that okay to say? No matter how good looking you are, that's trashy. Congrats Porcello. Ha. I just thought it was funny as hell Yeah it's just a funny line. I'd be pretty pumped if I were Verlander, having a woman stick her neck out for me like that. Dunno how it's "classless" or why the class of a tweet is something to care about to begin with. |
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Post by bluechip on Nov 17, 2016 11:02:05 GMT -5
I don't want to say never, because people smarter than I may - hopefully will - find a way to maximize the value of relievers. I'd certainly buy 80 innings of the highest leverage innings spread over multiple games *could* be more valuable than 200 innings ever fifth game, in an exceptional circumstance. But no way is the traditional ninth-inning usage pattern meeting the bill. That's why I disagree with Mike Berardino's ballot: 1. Verlander 2. Britton 3. A. Miller 4. Kluber 5. Porcello It's self contradictory. If relievers can be considered ahead of starters, vote give the award to Miller or Britton. But do think you can justify putting Verlander ahead of Britton and Miller, but Kluber and Porcello behind Britton and Miller. 5. |
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Post by James Dunne on Nov 17, 2016 11:04:46 GMT -5
I would guess that's an attempt to vote strategically to give Verlander a boost over the other two qualified starters rather than how he truly values them.
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Post by nomar on Nov 17, 2016 11:51:42 GMT -5
Verlander wasn't even wronged here. Park adjusted factors favor Kluber if anyone else than Porcello. Media really pushing the Verlander was robbed narrative.
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Post by James Dunne on Nov 17, 2016 12:30:34 GMT -5
Verlander wasn't even wronged here. Park adjusted factors favor Kluber if anyone else than Porcello. Media really pushing the Verlander was robbed narrative. No they aren't. They're pushing the "his girlfriend's response was funny" narrative. Update: So one of the Tampa writers (Chastain) filled out his ballot with over a week to go in the season, ignoring Verlander's last two starts. How is that okay? Whatever you think of the eventual result, that is totally unacceptable. |
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Post by rookie13 on Nov 17, 2016 14:58:05 GMT -5
Verlander wasn't even wronged here. Park adjusted factors favor Kluber if anyone else than Porcello. Media really pushing the Verlander was robbed narrative. No they aren't. They're pushing the "his girlfriend's response was funny" narrative. Update: So one of the Tampa writers (Chastain) filled out his ballot with over a week to go in the season, ignoring Verlander's last two starts. How is that okay? Whatever you think of the eventual result, that is totally unacceptable. I don't understand why it's even an option to send your ballot in before the season is over. They should have an idea of who they're voting for, but not make a final decision until all is said and done. Fill out and submit your ballot the day after the regular season ends. |
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Post by Guidas on Nov 17, 2016 15:30:51 GMT -5
Actually I thought that was pretty hot. Great GF. Of course, if he ever crosses her, he'll wake up missing some of his equipment, but that's what you get when you play house with the spirited ones. |
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Nov 17, 2016 15:34:45 GMT -5
Ha. I just thought it was funny as hell Yeah it's just a funny line. I'd be pretty pumped if I were Verlander, having a woman stick her neck out for me like that. Dunno how it's "classless" or why the class of a tweet is something to care about to begin with. It's a notion, shared by some individuals, who think people should exhibit civility and congratulate the winner, instead of whining and exhaulting the loser. It certainly is funny and witty, but that's a different point altogether. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 17, 2016 23:40:55 GMT -5
Ha. I just thought it was funny as hell Yeah it's just a funny line. I'd be pretty pumped if I were Verlander, having a woman stick her neck out for me like that. Dunno how it's "classless" or why the class of a tweet is something to care about to begin with. I found it classless because it was so damn crass. Seeing how the country voted this year it's obvious that it's ok to be rude and to disparage people. I have no problem if she expressed disappointment at the voting results, but she was basically raining on Porcello's parade and there was no need for that. And the language was crass, but that's ok - she can run for President because that's the era we live in today. Shock value is more important than behaving maturely and with dignity. I will give her this, though - it was a funny line, just inappropriate. Maybe it's a supermodel thing. Reminds me of when Gisele whined about the receivers dropping Tom Brady's throws in Superbowl 42 in the final minute. While she wasn't wrong, it was crappy to throw his teammates under the bus. Football, like baseball is a team game. She wouldn't understand but you win as a team and you lose as a team. |
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Post by telluricrook on Nov 19, 2016 1:47:18 GMT -5
When all she wanted was a Sugar Daddy and now she is going crazy over Cy young votes! That's Love right there. |
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Nov 19, 2016 9:11:56 GMT -5
Just to let you know Kate Upton, the writers are only making up a little what they owe to the Red Sox organization. Your fiance or whatever (in Verlander) won the MVP award in 2011 when he shouldn't have when the award and took away the award to the more deserving Red Sox player in Ellsbury. Ohh and I'm still waiting on the writers to give Pedro his MVP award in which he dominated the sport like Verlander didn't quite do in 2011. But isn't that mentality, 2 wrongs make a right, just as bad. |
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Post by mredsox89 on Nov 22, 2016 11:52:43 GMT -5
Here's a good writeup on the Verlander vs. Porcello argument joeposnanski.com/porcello-v-verlander/Basically, Posnanski proclaims (probably at least moderately accurate at worst), that Verlander's edge in Bwar was a significant driving factor in his 14 1st place voted to Porcello's 8. But their difference in Bwar comes down almost entirely to overall defense, even though the evidence suggests that neither defense had much of an net impact when either of these two pitchers were on the mound. It's a good, quick read. And if it's correct, it's definitely interesting that overall team defense, even if not behind the pitcher the stat counts for, could have that much of an impact |
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Post by gerry on Nov 22, 2016 12:35:36 GMT -5
Thank you and thank you Joe for your integrity. Enjoy your CY, Rick! Enjoy your loyal Kate, Justin.
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Post by Coreno on Nov 29, 2016 20:02:28 GMT -5
Figured it was worth mentioning that Porcello also won comeback player of the year in the AL. Good for him, though I think Hanley was more deserving. He probably won based off the comparison of his numbers last year and his Cy Young campaign this season, but in reality his "comeback" took place the end of last summer.
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Post by rookie13 on Nov 29, 2016 22:12:00 GMT -5
I may be in the minority, but I think Comeback Player should be won by a player who missed a lot of time due to an injury, as opposed to a player (like Porcello,) who was just a terrible player the season before.
I think of Mariano Rivera winning it. He missed basically the whole season and then killed it the following year in his final campaign.
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Post by telson13 on Nov 29, 2016 23:40:39 GMT -5
I may be in the minority, but I think Comeback Player should be won by a player who missed a lot of time due to an injury, as opposed to a player (like Porcello,) who was just a terrible player the season before. I think of Mariano Rivera winning it. He missed basically the whole season and then killed it the following year in his final campaign. I kind of agree with you, but I think that's also somewhat included in the voting. My sense is that that's how voters think, too. But Porcello's also an extreme case, from being very bad to very good. In the abscence of the sort of player you're talking about, I think they go with the rebound. Narrative plays a big role, I imagine. |
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Post by telson13 on Nov 29, 2016 23:41:53 GMT -5
Hanley certainly would've been a good choice, learning a new position, returning from injury, etc. But I think narrative won out.
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Post by DesignatedKyle on Nov 30, 2016 14:28:08 GMT -5
was hoping Hanley would get Comeback Player, he deserves it. But I'm happy for Rick getting some more hardware
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