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Post by grandsalami on Nov 28, 2016 19:36:35 GMT -5
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Post by mredsox89 on Nov 29, 2016 19:02:07 GMT -5
Logic would make me believe the small market teams are pushing this one
I don't think they'll have an agreement in place by the 1st. I wonder if MLB is willing to blow off the Winter Meetings or if they'll soften and at least move into December if they don't have a deal in place
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 29, 2016 19:42:12 GMT -5
Logic would make me believe the small market teams are pushing this one I don't think they'll have an agreement in place by the 1st. I wonder if MLB is willing to blow off the Winter Meetings or if they'll soften and at least move into December if they don't have a deal in place What a low blow move by small market teams. It's bad enough that the big market teams have to share money by being over the tax threshold. These small markets have money but they're cheap with all the revenue sharing and now they are just getting obnoxious with their demands. There's a split between large market teams and the rest of the league. I don't see this going down before December 1rst or the winter meetings either. I thought this was between the players association and the owners, but as usual it's between greedy owners and even more greedy owners.
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Post by ematz1423 on Nov 29, 2016 21:00:33 GMT -5
Why would the players union ever accept penalties for teams spending over the luxury tax? I think that stipulation is a losing bet for the small market teams.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Nov 29, 2016 21:38:23 GMT -5
Shock.....more payroll suppressing actions from owners. There may be more "value" in draft picks, but if the intended action is to discourage teams from blowing through the luxury tax, the outcome will be less payroll for the players. I don't believe for a second they will give that money to others on their rosters. More to the point, it is a clever way to stop paying exhorbitant FA salaries, which are constantly derided, often by the saber community.
The Union needs to, strike if need be, to make sure that that their payroll should never go below a percentage of overall MLB revenue (above 50, for sure). If that takes the form of additional player roster spots, fine. The owners are flush with friggin cash and they players deserve majority of it. It's that simple.
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Post by mredsox89 on Nov 29, 2016 21:42:54 GMT -5
Seems like there is enough movement that the "hard" deadline of 12/1 will come and go without a deal but the owner's won't lock out the players, and thus the Winter Meetings will be relatively normal
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 29, 2016 21:43:37 GMT -5
Adding an extra roster spot doesn't really jibe with the "the game is too long and there are too many pitching changes" mentality, but okay. The biggest "problem" in baseball (which is pretty damn perfect, all things considered) is the September roster thing. Basically, I think a team should be able to carry 40 players but "dress" (to put it in hockey terms) only 26, and to make any of the previous three starters inactive you need to put them on the disabled list. I'm in favor expansion right now. There are several markets that could support a team, and I really don't care for the uneven leagues. Also, the talent level in the major leagues right now is absurd. Just watching Triple-A baseball as much as I do, the quality of play is very, very high. There are a lot of reasons for this - influx of talent from Asia and Venezuela, rebounding of Puerto Rico in recent years being chief among them. I forgot to comment on the last part of this comment. Expansion in baseball is coming, according to Manfred's comments in the past. Right now they're focused on getting Oakland and Tampa Bay new stadiums before they look into expansion though. This is priority number one for him.
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Post by rookie13 on Nov 29, 2016 22:25:51 GMT -5
Adding an extra roster spot doesn't really jibe with the "the game is too long and there are too many pitching changes" mentality, but okay. The biggest "problem" in baseball (which is pretty damn perfect, all things considered) is the September roster thing. Basically, I think a team should be able to carry 40 players but "dress" (to put it in hockey terms) only 26, and to make any of the previous three starters inactive you need to put them on the disabled list. I'm in favor expansion right now. There are several markets that could support a team, and I really don't care for the uneven leagues. Also, the talent level in the major leagues right now is absurd. Just watching Triple-A baseball as much as I do, the quality of play is very, very high. There are a lot of reasons for this - influx of talent from Asia and Venezuela, rebounding of Puerto Rico in recent years being chief among them. I forgot to comment on the last part of this comment. Expansion in baseball is coming, according to Manfred's comments in the past. Right now they're focused on getting Oakland and Tampa Bay new stadiums before they look into expansion though. This is priority number one for him. As someone who lives not too far from Tampa, I would love nothing more than for the Rays to relocate. I won't even go to Tropicana anymore. It's in an absolutely horrible locaction, and traffic/parking is horrendous. I haven't seen the Sox in person in two years solely because of the atrocity that Tropicana Field is. I think getting them and the A's new stadiums/locations should be an immediate priority moving forward.
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Post by larrycook on Nov 29, 2016 23:17:46 GMT -5
I forgot to comment on the last part of this comment. Expansion in baseball is coming, according to Manfred's comments in the past. Right now they're focused on getting Oakland and Tampa Bay new stadiums before they look into expansion though. This is priority number one for him. As someone who lives not too far from Tampa, I would love nothing more than for the Rays to relocate. I won't even go to Tropicana anymore. It's in an absolutely horrible locaction, and traffic/parking is horrendous. I haven't seen the Sox in person in two years solely because of the atrocity that Tropicana Field is. I think getting them and the A's new stadiums/locations should be an immediate priority moving forward. I agree 100%. Oakland's stadium is one of the worst I have ever seen. And getting to the Tampa stadium is a nightmare and gives you a bad feeling before you even enter the building. Whoever did the park in Pittsburgh should be commissioned to do all new stadiums.
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Post by telson13 on Nov 29, 2016 23:36:55 GMT -5
As someone who lives not too far from Tampa, I would love nothing more than for the Rays to relocate. I won't even go to Tropicana anymore. It's in an absolutely horrible locaction, and traffic/parking is horrendous. I haven't seen the Sox in person in two years solely because of the atrocity that Tropicana Field is. I think getting them and the A's new stadiums/locations should be an immediate priority moving forward. I agree 100%. Oakland's stadium is one of the worst I have ever seen. And getting to the Tampa stadium is a nightmare and gives you a bad feeling before you even enter the building. Whoever did the park in Pittsburgh should be commissioned to do all new stadiums. Yeah, Pittsburg's PNC is awesome. I agree with you 100%. Ballparks need to be destinations in and of themselves, nowadays, but it doesn't mean they can't go for old-school charm. Pittsburg's also a really nice city, though. I'd like to see Vancouver get a team, that's a great city. Not certain it could support the team, but in term of venue, it's awesome. IDK if Montreal deserves another shot, but if they had a destination stadium, it's another great city. I think moving the A's to the South Bay (San Jose area, but maybe towards Palo Alto/Redwood city) would work, too. And if they expand the league to 32, I'd hope they would go back to two divisions, with two wild cards. I really don't like the continuous playoff expansion. Probably, it'll be 4 division/two wildcard. Winning a four-team division is so lame, though.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 30, 2016 1:08:06 GMT -5
I forgot to comment on the last part of this comment. Expansion in baseball is coming, according to Manfred's comments in the past. Right now they're focused on getting Oakland and Tampa Bay new stadiums before they look into expansion though. This is priority number one for him. As someone who lives not too far from Tampa, I would love nothing more than for the Rays to relocate. I won't even go to Tropicana anymore. It's in an absolutely horrible locaction, and traffic/parking is horrendous. I haven't seen the Sox in person in two years solely because of the atrocity that Tropicana Field is. I think getting them and the A's new stadiums/locations should be an immediate priority moving forward. I haven't been to Oakland but it even looks horrible on TV, which says a lot. I've heard stories of them needing to spray paint the grass green in order to make it even look more presentable at times. I've however been to Dumpicana, and it definitely lives up to the nickname. There's nothing around that stadium, it might have the most horrible location ever for a major league sports stadium. You can't pay me to go there again.
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Post by gerry on Nov 30, 2016 1:54:21 GMT -5
As someone who lives not too far from Tampa, I would love nothing more than for the Rays to relocate. I won't even go to Tropicana anymore. It's in an absolutely horrible locaction, and traffic/parking is horrendous. I haven't seen the Sox in person in two years solely because of the atrocity that Tropicana Field is. I think getting them and the A's new stadiums/locations should be an immediate priority moving forward. I haven't been to Oakland but it even looks horrible on TV, which says a lot. I've heard stories of them needing to spray paint the grass green in order to make it even look more presentable at times. I've however been to Dumpicana, and it definitely lives up to the nickname. There's nothing around that stadium, it might have the most horrible location ever for a major league sports stadium. You can't pay me to go there again.
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Post by gerry on Nov 30, 2016 2:03:26 GMT -5
Never heard the Trop called dumpicana, and it is up there with Oakland as a difficult venue. Nevertheless, I have visited both often to see the Sox in good seats at reasonable rates, to which I can also afford to bring kids and grand kids. Ditto Petco, wbicb is a terrific venue now that Little Italy and Gaslamp districts have enfolded it. The goal is to experience baseball, specifically Red Sox baseball. No complaints about parking allowed.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 30, 2016 9:40:49 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 30, 2016 10:14:31 GMT -5
As someone who lives not too far from Tampa, I would love nothing more than for the Rays to relocate. I won't even go to Tropicana anymore. It's in an absolutely horrible locaction, and traffic/parking is horrendous. I haven't seen the Sox in person in two years solely because of the atrocity that Tropicana Field is. I think getting them and the A's new stadiums/locations should be an immediate priority moving forward. I haven't been to Oakland but it even looks horrible on TV, which says a lot. I've heard stories of them needing to spray paint the grass green in order to make it even look more presentable at times. I've however been to Dumpicana, and it definitely lives up to the nickname. There's nothing around that stadium, it might have the most horrible location ever for a major league sports stadium. You can't pay me to go there again. I've got family in St. Pete, and they've often cited an issue that they may not have foreseen that people in Tampa just aren't interested in going across the bay to see the team play. Sure, it doesn't help that the stadium's awful, but the geography of being in St. Petersburg rather than Tampa is another issue. They basically put the stadium out on a peninsula, and way too much of the radius around it is water.
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Post by mredsox89 on Nov 30, 2016 10:46:13 GMT -5
I haven't been to Oakland but it even looks horrible on TV, which says a lot. I've heard stories of them needing to spray paint the grass green in order to make it even look more presentable at times. I've however been to Dumpicana, and it definitely lives up to the nickname. There's nothing around that stadium, it might have the most horrible location ever for a major league sports stadium. You can't pay me to go there again. I've got family in St. Pete, and they've often cited an issue that they may not have foreseen that people in Tampa just aren't interested in going across the bay to see the team play. Sure, it doesn't help that the stadium's awful, but the geography of being in St. Petersburg rather than Tampa is another issue. They basically put the stadium out on a peninsula, and way too much of the radius around it is water. There are a plethora of reasons the franchise is a mess. Just building a new stadium in that location won't work, hell, I'm not sure building a new stadium in a better location in the Tampa area would work. Based on what I've seen/ready, I just don't think it's a place where a baseball franchise is going to "work" long term in Tampa. But similar to Miami, they'll probably build a new stadium and then see it not be overly successful rather than move the team. At least Miami, despite the stadium's terrible location, has a chance given the population, fanbase, and market, but even that is a stretch and that stadium is a massive loss $ wise for the county that will haunt them for decades
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Post by gerry on Nov 30, 2016 14:18:15 GMT -5
At least Miami has a large, local fanbase. The Tampa Bay area population of central Florida is augmented substantially by Snowbirds who root for their own home teams, not the Rays, and drive back up the I-75 and I-95 as soon as Spring arrives in April. This helps explain the relatively high price of tickets at frequently sold out ST games in March, and low attendance by Rays fans at the Trop. Add to that the primary interest of natives in college sports (Gators, Noles, etc.) and it may never improve. The Rays would thrive in Montreal, however.
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Post by mredsox89 on Nov 30, 2016 20:49:50 GMT -5
New CBA done according to Ken Rosenthal and Jeff Passan, 5 year deal
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 30, 2016 20:52:27 GMT -5
New CBA done according to Ken Rosenthal and Jeff Passan, 5 year deal IS there an opt out?
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Post by mredsox89 on Nov 30, 2016 20:54:49 GMT -5
New CBA done according to Ken Rosenthal and Jeff Passan, 5 year deal IS there an opt out? Details just starting to trickle out. Luxury tax limit likely to start at $195M and move towards $215M by the end of the 5 years
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 30, 2016 20:55:35 GMT -5
“@joelsherman1: New CBA is agreed upon. Hear luxury tax threshold is going to start at about $195M rise to $210M-$215M over life of 5-yr deal, sources say”
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Post by taftreign on Nov 30, 2016 21:01:21 GMT -5
Sherman also noted rosters to remain at 25.
Also seems an international draft is not happening but speculation that there will be hard cap on spending during the international signing period.
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 30, 2016 21:07:45 GMT -5
“@jonheyman: No international draft, but int'l signings are said to be capped to 5-6M per team per year.”
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 30, 2016 21:07:57 GMT -5
Sherman also noted rosters to remain at 25. Also seems an international draft is not happening but speculation that there will be hard cap on spending during the international signing period. “@jonheyman: No international draft, but int'l signings are said to be capped to 5-6M per team per year.”
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 30, 2016 21:09:01 GMT -5
“@jonmorosi: . @mlb teams will no longer forfeit first-round pick to sign free agents under new CBA, source says.”
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