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Post by mredsox89 on Nov 30, 2016 21:16:56 GMT -5
Sherman also noted rosters to remain at 25. Also seems an international draft is not happening but speculation that there will be hard cap on spending during the international signing period. Meanwhile, Jayson Stark just wrote that "* Rosters will increase from 25 players to 26 before Sept. 1. It was not immediately clear whether the rules would change after Sept. 1." And now he tweets that rosters will stay at 25 and there won't be a limit in September, so no changes
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 30, 2016 21:37:26 GMT -5
“@jaysonst: Turns out draft-pick compensation won't disappear. Teams over threshold lose a 2nd- & 5th-round pick. Under threshold: lose 3rd-round pick.”
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 30, 2016 21:45:12 GMT -5
Two picks.
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Post by mjammz on Nov 30, 2016 21:50:36 GMT -5
Jon Morosi @jonmorosi 1m Important clarification: Change to FA compensation structure goes into effect for 2017-2018 offseason; prior rules apply to existing class.
Hopefully it's the same for the International Bonus Cap. It should be as many of the International FA probably have verbal deals and the penalities levied on teams the past two years would be pointless.
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Post by rookie13 on Nov 30, 2016 22:09:24 GMT -5
So the QO will continue to exist, but with changes as to what draft pick(s) you lose? Over luxury tax: Second and fifth round pick. Under: Third round pick
I can live with that. Especially with the threshold set to rise gradually over the next 5 years by 21 Million.
EDIT: I originally saw the eventual threshold being 215, as opposed to the 210 million that it will be.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 30, 2016 22:21:55 GMT -5
Jon Morosi @jonmorosi 1m Important clarification: Change to FA compensation structure goes into effect for 2017-2018 offseason; prior rules apply to existing class. Hopefully it's the same for the International Bonus Cap. It should be as many of the International FA probably have verbal deals and the penalities levied on teams the past two years would be pointless. Gives the Sox a chance to stick it to the league for making a example out of them with the whole "packaging deal scandal" by spending a lot in the international amateur players.
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Post by mredsox89 on Nov 30, 2016 22:45:55 GMT -5
Oof.
So basically don't sign a qualifying offer FA to a deal that brings you over the threshold unless you weren't planning on spending your full international pool money. Plus, a 2nd/5th rounder in the regular draft really dampens the draft budget
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Post by rookie13 on Nov 30, 2016 23:18:22 GMT -5
"In another wrinkle, via Sherman (on Twitter), the league will ban incoming MLB players from using smokeless tobacco, with existing players grandfathered in."
I get why some people would want this, but why is this now an actual rule? Why should we care if a player chooses to use chew/dip?
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 30, 2016 23:24:00 GMT -5
“@jaysonst: Sources say every team will have a total bonus pool of about $5 million to sign foreign-born amateur players. And they can't exceed that cap”
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 30, 2016 23:27:44 GMT -5
"In another wrinkle, via Sherman (on Twitter), the league will ban incoming MLB players from using smokeless tobacco, with existing players grandfathered in." I get why some people would want this, but why is this now an actual rule? Why should we care if a player chooses to use chew/dip? They're setting examples for children. The league doesn't want kids seeing their favorite players spitting our chew when the camera focuses on them. It tends to promote use of it.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 30, 2016 23:31:45 GMT -5
Oof. So basically don't sign a qualifying offer FA to a deal that brings you over the threshold unless you weren't planning on spending your full international pool money. Plus, a 2nd/5th rounder in the regular draft really dampens the draft budget Yeah honestly, these penalties might be just as losing a first round pick depending on where you are selecting in the draft. No more Moncada's or Solers getting 30+ million dollar deals anymore either.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 30, 2016 23:55:04 GMT -5
Oof. So basically don't sign a qualifying offer FA to a deal that brings you over the threshold unless you weren't planning on spending your full international pool money. Plus, a 2nd/5th rounder in the regular draft really dampens the draft budget Is it just me or did they just make the QO system worse if your over the cap? Two picks and a loss of a large amount of international budget. That can be like 3-4 good young prospects.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 1, 2016 0:22:05 GMT -5
Oof. So basically don't sign a qualifying offer FA to a deal that brings you over the threshold unless you weren't planning on spending your full international pool money. Plus, a 2nd/5th rounder in the regular draft really dampens the draft budget Is it just me or did they just make the QO system worse if your over the cap? Two picks and a loss of a large amount of international budget. That can be like 3-4 good young prospects. That was the point in all of this. Parity in baseball wants it to hurt if you want to sign big free agents if all that team does is spend money in the first place.
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Post by grandsalami on Dec 1, 2016 0:25:27 GMT -5
“@jaysonst: Sources say every team will have a total bonus pool of about $5 million to sign foreign-born amateur players. And they can't exceed that cap” This means that the Moncada's of baseball will just go to Japan, or play in Cuba until they are 23 so they are exempt from it\ Jon Morosi @jonmorosi 10m10 minutes ago Cuban-born players who are at least 23 years old, with 5+ years of experience in Serie Nacional, maintain exemption from int'l bonus pool.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 1, 2016 0:38:33 GMT -5
The loss of a 2nd round AND 5th round pick for a team over the luxury tax limit who signs a QO type free agent is an interesting twist, but now I have to wonder - with the 2018-2019 free agent class, say a team like the Red Sox, Dodgers, or Yankees sign both Bryce Harper and Manny Machado, what happens then? They would lose the 2nd and 5th pick of course, but since both would be QO free agents, would the signing team also lose a 3rd and 4th pick as well or would it be 3rd and 6th pick? How does that work?
At some point I'd think some team would be willing to test it out if the free agent prizes were great enough. I think the Yanks used the old strategy of stacking the free agent signings that would normally cost a 1st round pick and losing a 2nd round pick for a player who would normally cost a 1st round pick - like when they signed both Teixeira and Sabathia. I would think this new wrinkle would discourage this more, but I have to wonder how this new rule works.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 1, 2016 1:07:16 GMT -5
“@jaysonst: Sources say every team will have a total bonus pool of about $5 million to sign foreign-born amateur players. And they can't exceed that cap” This means that the Moncada's of baseball will just go to Japan, or play in Cuba until they are 23 so they are exempt from it\ Jon Morosi @jonmorosi 10m10 minutes ago Cuban-born players who are at least 23 years old, with 5+ years of experience in Serie Nacional, maintain exemption from int'l bonus pool. Moncada and Soler were both under 23 years old when they signed as free agents. The players you're thinking about is the Cespedes and company of the world.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 1, 2016 1:12:55 GMT -5
The loss of a 2nd round AND 5th round pick for a team over the luxury tax limit who signs a QO type free agent is an interesting twist, but now I have to wonder - with the 2018-2019 free agent class, say a team like the Red Sox, Dodgers, or Yankees sign both Bryce Harper and Manny Machado, what happens then? They would lose the 2nd and 5th pick of course, but since both would be QO free agents, would the signing team also lose a 3rd and 4th pick as well or would it be 3rd and 6th pick? How does that work? At some point I'd think some team would be willing to test it out if the free agent prizes were great enough. I think the Yanks used the old strategy of stacking the free agent signings that would normally cost a 1st round pick and losing a 2nd round pick for a player who would normally cost a 1st round pick - like when they signed both Teixeira and Sabathia. I would think this new wrinkle would discourage this more, but I have to wonder how this new rule works. Yeah I don't see anything about it either. It almost encourages big spenders to splurge and sign multiple free agents in one year and only get penalized for it once.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Dec 1, 2016 2:41:49 GMT -5
This means that the Moncada's of baseball will just go to Japan, or play in Cuba until they are 23 so they are exempt from it\ Jon Morosi @jonmorosi 10m10 minutes ago Cuban-born players who are at least 23 years old, with 5+ years of experience in Serie Nacional, maintain exemption from int'l bonus pool. Moncada and Soler were both under 23 years old when they signed as free agents. The players you're thinking about is the Cespedes and company of the world.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 1, 2016 2:45:04 GMT -5
Moncada and Soler were both under 23 years old when they signed as free agents. The players you're thinking about is the Cespedes and company of the world. Yeah I didn't see the first part of what he wrote until two seconds ago. Man do I feel dumb, like the gif you presented. Lol
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 1, 2016 2:52:35 GMT -5
Soler and Moncada's of the world could wait until they're 24 but they also risk losing value.
Would a 24 year old Moncada on a major league contract be as valuable as a 19 year old one on a minor league contract?
Remember Moncada is being developed right now in a farm system. If he were signed at 24, he still might need to be developed and he is much older. Going to Japan doesn't help much either because they can control you for 7 years apparently.
This takes away from the Moncada type of prospect either way you look at it. They have no choice but to sign for close to 4-5 million dollars maximum if they want the quickest route to the big leagues under the age of 20. Amateur international players are either taking the risk of waiting or taking a lot less to play minor league baseball for some team they decide to play for.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 1, 2016 6:25:22 GMT -5
A couple notes - The luxury tax acts pretty close to a hard cap now. According to MLBTraderumors, This is also a huge change: So big market teams likely aren't going to be getting anything for letting a player go. That will lead to more in-season trades I'm sure. Also, the Cuban exemption is at age 25, not 23: And on scheduling, it looks that basically nothing will be done:
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Post by bluechip on Dec 1, 2016 6:57:21 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 1, 2016 7:00:52 GMT -5
New note being reported this morning, the All-Star Game will no longer decide home field in the World Series. Instead, players will compete for a pool of cash.
Aside from the IFA hard cap and (apparent) lack of dealing with September roster expansion, everything here seems reasonable.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 1, 2016 7:04:27 GMT -5
Man I know the game wants parity, but this seems like it's just insane when it comes to try "level the playing field."
How is it fair that a small market that is cheap can get a better pick?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 1, 2016 7:06:39 GMT -5
New note being reported this morning, the All-Star Game will no longer decide home field in the World Series. Instead, players will compete for a pool of cash. Aside from the IFA hard cap and (apparent) lack of dealing with September roster expansion, everything here seems reasonable. Great the best players in baseball are getting more cash, which they're probably not even worried about unless it's their first or second all-star game.
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