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Sale to BOS for Moncada, Kopech, Basabe, Diaz
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Post by thebogeyman on Dec 6, 2016 14:09:36 GMT -5
Love the Boston Bruins? That'll be you future Red Sox! Yep. We just traded Seguin for Loui all over again. Sorry, but this is a terrible analogy on so many levels.
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 6, 2016 14:09:59 GMT -5
Someone needs to check on deepjohn.
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Post by cwaaa on Dec 6, 2016 14:12:46 GMT -5
He's able to make these trades because BC hoarded the assets for him. He won't have that luxury in the future. You don't know that. In fact, maybe DD's agressive trading tendencies will translate to agressiveness toward the draft (ala Groome) and international free agency.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 6, 2016 14:13:22 GMT -5
Yep. We just traded Seguin for Loui all over again. Sorry, but this is a terrible analogy on so many levels. What comparing a weaker second line winger to the best pitcher in the AL isn't a good Comp?
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Post by dirtdog on Dec 6, 2016 14:14:07 GMT -5
Who else thinks that Henry, et al., are trying to win (or at least get to) the world series before selling the team? Never thought of that angle. Could be sell high situation where they dump the team ahead of a cable cutting avalanche that maybe looming, which would adversely affect rights fees?
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Post by taftreign on Dec 6, 2016 14:14:44 GMT -5
Hey Guys! Just checking in. Did i miss anything?
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Dec 6, 2016 14:15:14 GMT -5
User Actions Follow ESPN Stats & InfoVerified account @espnstatsinfo Chris Sale went 6-0 with a 1.55 ERA and 0.82 WHIP in 6 starts against NYY, TOR, TB & BAL last season.
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 6, 2016 14:15:20 GMT -5
Hey Guys! Just checking in. Did i miss anything? Yep, Sox are in on Mitch Moreland, stand by for updates.
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Post by thursty on Dec 6, 2016 14:16:20 GMT -5
I feel sorry for the SoxProspects' "scouts". Not a lot to get excited about left.
I'll just write this: Red Sox better win the World Series in the next 3 years, because they've gutted their "prospects" at having a long-term, sustainable, year-after-year competitive team, which I think is the optimal long-term strategy.
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Post by akiva on Dec 6, 2016 14:16:59 GMT -5
Cameron suggested Moncada for Sale would make sense for the Red Sox a week ago: www.fangraphs.com/blogs/chris-sale-and-giving-up-a-stud/Honestly, it's a painful trade but it's completely dulled by the fact this is Chris Sale. The best in the league, a true ace under team control for 3 years at a third what he would make in free agency. Thrown together with our current rotation and it's potentially the best in baseball.
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Post by telluricrook on Dec 6, 2016 14:17:16 GMT -5
I would assume Buchholz gets dealt now for a 1B or DH Nah, He was still he hardest guy to hit In the AL last season.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 6, 2016 14:17:24 GMT -5
Tony Mazz just said the Baseball America list was a better list to go by than Soxprospects.com list... but he used the SP list... start the hate
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Post by thegoo13 on Dec 6, 2016 14:18:09 GMT -5
Took 10 years to build this system and DB Dave is going to undo it in less than 2. F this guy! f him, f him, f him.
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Post by preston on Dec 6, 2016 14:18:33 GMT -5
I don't want to dwell on the past but I prefer this trade over the Kimbrel and Pomeranz trades. It hurts the system more but the returning asset is a Cy Young award winning and cost controlled pitcher.
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Post by taftreign on Dec 6, 2016 14:18:52 GMT -5
Hey Guys! Just checking in. Did i miss anything? Yep, Sox are in on Mitch Moreland, stand by for updates. Oh good! Was afraid something big would happen!
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Post by aboynamedkimandrew on Dec 6, 2016 14:19:35 GMT -5
I would assume Buchholz gets dealt now for a 1B or DH Nah, He was still he hardest guy to hit In the AL last season. Do you mean they were aiming for him?
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Dec 6, 2016 14:21:05 GMT -5
Time to move E-Rod for some pop? White Sox still close by? Lets expand this and get Abreau
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 6, 2016 14:21:12 GMT -5
I feel sorry for the SoxProspects' "scouts". Not a lot to get excited about left. I'll just write this: Red Sox better win the World Series in the next 3 years, because they've gutted their "prospects" at having a long-term, sustainable, year-after-year competitive team, which I think is the optimal long-term strategy. First of all, no they didn't. Second of all, let's see how Moncada and Kopech and Espinoza do. If they flame out or don't become studs then they didn't hurt their long term at all. I'd love to see where Espinoza ranks this year and I'd like to see if he bounces back because his numbers were not good last year. Moncada reminds me of Baez.
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Post by shaqtus on Dec 6, 2016 14:23:36 GMT -5
Reading this thread from page 1 to 6 is like watching this video in reverse.
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Post by nomar on Dec 6, 2016 14:24:19 GMT -5
Tony Mazz just said the Baseball America list was a better list to go by than Soxprospects.com list... but he used the SP list... start the hate To be fair... That's effectively about as glowing of an SP endorsement that there could ever be. The Hub and Mazz/Felger in particular are just pathetic.
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Post by telluricrook on Dec 6, 2016 14:24:33 GMT -5
Nah, He was still he hardest guy to hit In the AL last season. Do you mean they were aiming for him? No opposing batters couldn't get hits off of him.
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Post by ramireja on Dec 6, 2016 14:26:54 GMT -5
Burn, baby, burn. Each trade can make sense on its own and collectively be all wrong. I don't want this point to get lost. The trade in isolation isn't terrible or unfair in anyway. That said, DD has come in and viewed a beautiful farm system pretty much as a means of acquiring current talent at premium costs. Its safe to say this farm system is pretty much gutted right now, or at the very least is a bottom third percentile system. There is very little left (aside from Devers and maybe Groome) in the system that looks like impact talent at a minimum salary in the next 3 years or so. This is simply not a sustainable model in my opinion. I get that farm systems can change quickly, and that we could potentially restock this system with 1-2 big trades, but nothing in DD's past suggests to me that will happen. He is all onboard with the 3 or 4 for 1 trades and has shown little to no care for the team's projection outside of a 2 year window. I don't love this approach, in fact, I kind of hate it.....but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't really excited about this team's chances next year.
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Post by brendan98 on Dec 6, 2016 14:30:12 GMT -5
I don’t think there is much of a chance that the Sox go with 4 LHP’s in the rotation next year, for that reason I think Porcello, Wright and Buchholz likely stay, and one of Pomeranz or Rodriguez is traded for a bat. I’d be happy if it was Pomeranz, but everything we know about DD says it will be Rodriguez, which sucks (just another former top prospect to say goodbye to).
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Post by brianthetaoist on Dec 6, 2016 14:32:34 GMT -5
Expanding on my point above ... this individual trade is fine, your basic blockbuster for a true ace. You give up a lot, but it's prospects for proven, and maybe Moncada never figures out his contact issues, who knows? Sale is the real deal.
But the trades in aggregate start to not add up. This means that Anderson Espinoza was traded for the guy who is absolutely going to be your #5 pitcher, at best (is he really better than Wright?). There's no sense of any overall plan beyond "give up whatever makes this deal happen."
Maybe he turns around and flips a pitcher or two for some good young power. But he's traded 3+ players for a bunch of individual players so many times, the system is strip-mined.
On the plus side, this looks like a good team for the next 4-5 years, so there's time to rebuild the farm system.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 6, 2016 14:34:16 GMT -5
You can also look at it as the Pomeranz deal was the only bad deal and it was a 1 for 1 deal. Kimberl and Sale are elite players who are in their prime and under team control for reasonable contracts. They also didn't give up anyone in those deals who were not redundant to other YOUNG players other than Kopech.
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