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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 28, 2016 9:37:33 GMT -5
There doesn't need to be speculation on options remaining. Someone just needs to keep track of them. Moving Kelly to AAA is a horrible idea. He could possibly be the best reliever in the bullpen and we know what he's like as a starter. What indication is there that Kelly is not going to the pen? It makes all the sense in the world. Side Note: Brentz should not be listed as a bubble spot for the roster for Boston but Rutledge should be. I guess that depends on where you see Kelly heading, for me at least the bullpen seems obvious. 1) It's a bit back in the thread (or another one), but Brisox has posted that he's hearing that Kelly is going to be in Pawtucket, starting. Brisox's sources have proven reliable in the past. 2) Brentz is listed as on the bubble for the Boston roster because he's out of options. Because Marco Hernandez has options remaining, assuming health, I have a hard time thinking they'll keep Hernandez and send Rutledge back unless Hernandez is MUCH better in ST. It could definitely happen, but I think that it's more likely they try to keep as much depth as possible, especially considering the uncertainty at third base. Now, if they sign Plouffe, then yeah, Rutledge is probably going back to Colorado.
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Post by m1keyboots on Dec 28, 2016 9:40:59 GMT -5
Why is Robby Scott never talked about when we have 3 or 4 semi redundant guys Im Barnes, Kelly and Hembree... and to a lesser degree smith and thornburg?
I liked him looked like he F***ed up many a lefty (and righty) mashers swing
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 28, 2016 9:44:35 GMT -5
I thought Kelly got a little lucky at the end of 2015 because his peripherals didn't improve enough to go along with it. Hembree is bad against RHB. Hembree is dominant against righties, but struggles against lefties. Considering like 70% of big league hitters are righties I don't see the problem with that if used right. He can also go multiple innings which is important. I meant LHB, got that wrong. He won't be used correctly. I'd rather save Farrell from himself.
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 28, 2016 10:12:08 GMT -5
Why is Robby Scott never talked about when we have 3 or 4 semi redundant guys Im Barnes, Kelly and Hembree... and to a lesser degree smith and thornburg? I liked him looked like he F***ed up many a lefty (and righty) mashers swing If the Sox want to keep 2 lefties in the pen I would rather have Robby Scott than Abad but i'd rather have Barnes Kelly and Hembree than Robby Scott if it comes down to those 4 fighting for 3 spots.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 28, 2016 10:12:38 GMT -5
Why is Robby Scott never talked about when we have 3 or 4 semi redundant guys Im Barnes, Kelly and Hembree... and to a lesser degree smith and thornburg? I liked him looked like he F***ed up many a lefty (and righty) mashers swing Simple answer, he has options and he's redundant to Ross who doesn't.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 28, 2016 10:46:00 GMT -5
Why is Robby Scott never talked about when we have 3 or 4 semi redundant guys Im Barnes, Kelly and Hembree... and to a lesser degree smith and thornburg? I liked him looked like he F***ed up many a lefty (and righty) mashers swing Robbie Scott looks like a guy who will batters will get used to after they see his delivery a few times.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 28, 2016 10:57:30 GMT -5
Hembree is dominant against righties, but struggles against lefties. Considering like 70% of big league hitters are righties I don't see the problem with that if used right. He can also go multiple innings which is important. I meant LHB, got that wrong. He won't be used correctly. I'd rather save Farrell from himself. That just makes no sense. If Farrell can't use bullpen arms based of righty and lefty splits he has no business being manager. You don't trade Hembree because our manager sucks.
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Post by m1keyboots on Dec 28, 2016 11:01:43 GMT -5
Why is Robby Scott never talked about when we have 3 or 4 semi redundant guys Im Barnes, Kelly and Hembree... and to a lesser degree smith and thornburg? I liked him looked like he F***ed up many a lefty (and righty) mashers swing Robbie Scott looks like a guy who will batters will get used to after they see his delivery a few times. That may be true, but shouldn't we wait to see if they can? Bc the stuff is obv playing in the High minors (the little wrist wrap, sling elbow up, wrist underneath look) I'm not saying Scott is the answer to the lefties insofar as "we need his power slider" like Embree years ago. Just like hes another Tommy Layne Edited for horrendous spelling on my Galaxy.
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Post by m1keyboots on Dec 28, 2016 11:05:29 GMT -5
Why is Robby Scott never talked about when we have 3 or 4 semi redundant guys Im Barnes, Kelly and Hembree... and to a lesser degree smith and thornburg? I liked him looked like he F***ed up many a lefty (and righty) mashers swing Simple answer, he has options and he's redundant to Ross who doesn't. I personally feel like Ross and Scott aren't similar at all. We can agree to disagree though.
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Post by jmei on Dec 28, 2016 11:25:20 GMT -5
Ross and Scott are pretty different pitchers. Ross has relatively neutral splits, while Scott is more of a LOOGY-type.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 28, 2016 11:32:55 GMT -5
I just meant left handed. Abad is the better LOOGY so I doubt if Scott would replace him. The original point though is that he has options. I'm sure we'll see him during the year but if everyone is healthy we're not likely to cut anyone just to make space for him and I doubt the Sox will option someone like Barnes for a third lefty.
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Post by daltonjones on Dec 28, 2016 11:54:24 GMT -5
I meant LHB, got that wrong. He won't be used correctly. I'd rather save Farrell from himself. That just makes no sense. If Farrell can't use bullpen arms based of righty and lefty splits he has no business being manager. You don't trade Hembree because our manager sucks. I've come to think that the way Farrell handles the bullpen, like Francona before him, is not so much a personal style, but something that has become Organizational Philosophy with a bunch of super-duper advanced metrics to back it up. So I expect no evolution in bullpen handling next year, though personally I am keen on the primacy of empirical results.
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 28, 2016 12:04:08 GMT -5
Looks like E-Rod tweaked his knee again playing winter ball, it isn't supposed to be serious but it also wasn't supposed to be very serious last year. Really hope this doesn't turn into a lingering issue. Wouldn't be the first time a bad knee derailed an athletes career.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Dec 28, 2016 12:13:25 GMT -5
Looks like E-Rod tweaked his knee again playing winter ball, it isn't supposed to be serious but it also wasn't supposed to be very serious last year. Really hope this doesn't turn into a lingering issue. Wouldn't be the first time a bad knee derailed an athletes career. I saw that as well.......The word "tweaked" scares the crap out of me when it comes to a knee. He "tweaked" the same knee in ST last year.
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Post by telluricrook on Dec 28, 2016 17:32:54 GMT -5
Looks like E-Rod tweaked his knee again playing winter ball, it isn't supposed to be serious but it also wasn't supposed to be very serious last year. Really hope this doesn't turn into a lingering issue. Wouldn't be the first time a bad knee derailed an athletes career. I saw that as well.......The word "tweaked" scares the crap out of me when it comes to a knee. He "tweaked" the same knee in ST last year. Yes yes! Here comes all the talk and controversy about trading Clay Buchholz for a nobody no good prospect.
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Post by basbal24 on Dec 28, 2016 21:07:01 GMT -5
get him to boston looked at by doctors & rehab until ST- no WBC
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 29, 2016 4:12:45 GMT -5
Looks like E-Rod tweaked his knee again playing winter ball, it isn't supposed to be serious but it also wasn't supposed to be very serious last year. Really hope this doesn't turn into a lingering issue. Wouldn't be the first time a bad knee derailed an athletes career. I saw that as well.......The word "tweaked" scares the crap out of me when it comes to a knee. He "tweaked" the same knee in ST last year. No, he didn't. He had a tendon come out of it's groove. That's not a tweaked knee.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 29, 2016 4:52:45 GMT -5
I don't know how anyone can say that they feel confident in Eduardo staying healthy through a full major league season at this point.
This is a recurring problem every year now with the same knee. Bring this guy back slowly and make sure he's not pitching a stressful inning until the season. I would love to option him and take it even slower if possible. Limit his innings in AAA and let him finish strong the rest of the season.
A huge part of the Sox future rests on this guy. They need to be cautious in how they deal with him and his innings, especially since they have the depth to do so this particular year.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 29, 2016 6:20:56 GMT -5
I don't know how anyone can say that they feel confident in Eduardo staying healthy through a full major league season at this point. This is a recurring problem every year now with the same knee. Bring this guy back slowly and make sure he's not pitching a stressful inning until the season. I would love to option him and take it even slower if possible. Limit his innings in AAA and let him finish strong the rest of the season. A huge part of the Sox future rests on this guy. They need to be cautious in how they deal with him and his innings, especially since they have the depth to do so this particular year. Agree in general but, left calf two years ago (with Balt (Boise)), right knee tendon last spring, unknown right knee tweak now. It might not be a "reacurring problem" in the specific sense and at this point I see no info to draw that conclusion. That's a better situation than the same problem, same place three times in a row. Not good but better. Lets not jump to conclusions yet.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Dec 29, 2016 14:41:42 GMT -5
Agree. Hopefully it's nothing. I guess I just don't have confidence in the team "doctors" in Valencia, Venezuela.
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Post by telson13 on Dec 29, 2016 14:55:09 GMT -5
I saw that as well.......The word "tweaked" scares the crap out of me when it comes to a knee. He "tweaked" the same knee in ST last year. No, he didn't. He had a tendon come out of it's groove. That's not a tweaked knee. Yeah, there's a huge difference between dislocating your kneecap and "tweaking" your knee. That said, his playing in the WBC seems like an increasingly bad idea. The Sox really ought to encourage him to have it looked at in Boston, and stick around for strengthening/stability exercises in a monitored environment.
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Post by Guidas on Dec 29, 2016 15:05:07 GMT -5
Hoping it is a tweak but this does result in him missing WBC and starting MLB season healthy and on-time.
Also wondering if he was wearing the brace when he injured/tweaked it.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 29, 2016 15:48:21 GMT -5
I meant LHB, got that wrong. He won't be used correctly. I'd rather save Farrell from himself. That just makes no sense. If Farrell can't use bullpen arms based of righty and lefty splits he has no business being manager. You don't trade Hembree because our manager sucks. I agree. But he's the manager and he won't use them correctly. We've seen it for 4 years now.
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Post by Guidas on Dec 29, 2016 16:07:13 GMT -5
That just makes no sense. If Farrell can't use bullpen arms based of righty and lefty splits he has no business being manager. You don't trade Hembree because our manager sucks. I agree. But he's the manager and he won't use them correctly. We've seen it for 4 years now. Significant sample size. Maybe ignoring this is what John henry meant when he said "in some cases we're going to rely less on data."
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Dec 29, 2016 22:22:09 GMT -5
If we have to endure as much whining about bullpen management as last year in the game threads, it should be a grand old time. Here's to improved performance from the starting pitching, which struggled early in the year forcing an overuse of bullpen resources, and hopeful improved decision making from JF, where there certainly is room for improvement. The constant berating of his bullpen management was taxing on my cornea.
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