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Post by humanbeingbean on Dec 10, 2016 14:05:09 GMT -5
Healthy, productive, but not an MLB-quality left fielder or catcher. He's probably not at peak value for the Cubs, but you have to assume the Cubs would be interested in the right package. Now that we have a surplus of starting pitching, anyone think we could line up a trade and install Schwarber as our first baseman, sending Moreland to the bench and Hanley as the full-time DH (with Moreland/Young/etc spelling)? Any trade package for our starters would have to include E-Rod.
So, E-Rod is the base. It'd be tough to see Eddie go, but unfortunately, I don't know if only him is enough to get Schwarber. So another player I'd throw in is Bobby Dalbec - power for the Cubs to dream on, and someone (hopefully) we can afford to lose because of Devers. (I'm always hesitant to say we *can* trade a player because of positonal redundancy, but I think this is justified).
E-Rod, Dalbec, and we might need to include one more player who can help the Cubs in the near future to offset the WAR Schwarber would've contributed and that E-Rod can't fully return himself. I would've said Basabe would be the perfect guy to include here, as he hopefully has the talent to at least be a backup outfielder (not that soon, I know), but alas... And I can't really think of another guy like him to replace that. Maybe Marco Hernandez? But that isn't that exciting, nor does he have Basabe's ceiling. Maybe a DSL or other rookie player will come out of nowhere and make things interesting this season.
But does anyone have any suggestions for what a trade might look like? It's hard to gauge Schwarber's value right now, and I know it'd take more than E-Rod, but it gets a little foggy. Plus, the Cubs might not want to trade Schwarber when he isn't at his peak. They might not want to trade him at all.
But a Devers-Bogaerts-Pedroia-Schwarber-Swihart/Vazquez/Leon infield sounds appealing.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 10, 2016 17:03:55 GMT -5
Healthy, productive, but not an MLB-quality left fielder or catcher. He's probably not at peak value for the Cubs, but you have to assume the Cubs would be interested in the right package. Now that we have a surplus of starting pitching, anyone think we could line up a trade and install Schwarber as our first baseman, sending Moreland to the bench and Hanley as the full-time DH (with Moreland/Young/etc spelling)? Any trade package for our starters would have to include E-Rod. So, E-Rod is the base. It'd be tough to see Eddie go, but unfortunately, I don't know if only him is enough to get Schwarber. So another player I'd throw in is Bobby Dalbec - power for the Cubs to dream on, and someone (hopefully) we can afford to lose because of Devers. (I'm always hesitant to say we *can* trade a player because of positonal redundancy, but I think this is justified). E-Rod, Dalbec, and we might need to include one more player who can help the Cubs in the near future to offset the WAR Schwarber would've contributed and that E-Rod can't fully return himself. I would've said Basabe would be the perfect guy to include here, as he hopefully has the talent to at least be a backup outfielder (not that soon, I know), but alas... And I can't really think of another guy like him to replace that. Maybe Marco Hernandez? But that isn't that exciting, nor does he have Basabe's ceiling. Maybe a DSL or other rookie player will come out of nowhere and make things interesting this season. But does anyone have any suggestions for what a trade might look like? It's hard to gauge Schwarber's value right now, and I know it'd take more than E-Rod, but it gets a little foggy. Plus, the Cubs might not want to trade Schwarber when he isn't at his peak. They might not want to trade him at all. But a Devers-Bogaerts-Pedroia-Schwarber-Swihart/Vazquez/Leon infield sounds appealing. See the bolded above and you can stop there. They have less than zero desire of trading him. Theo absolutely loves his bat.
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Post by rookie13 on Dec 10, 2016 17:06:17 GMT -5
I don't see the Cubs trading Schwarber. Even if they wanted to, they would need to be blown away by an offer. No offense to Rodriguez or Dalbec, but I doubt either of them even get the conversation started.
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Post by humanbeingbean on Dec 10, 2016 18:00:54 GMT -5
It'd definitely take more than just Rodriguez, but it's important to remember that probably all of Schwarber's value will come from his bat. You're not paying for a great all-around player, so it shouldn't take multiple MLB (or MLB-ready) assets to get him or anything crazy like that. The Cubs don't want to lose his bat, but it's really important to remember that leg injury and how poor he is defensively.
I don't think lining up for a trade is too far-fetched, and if he were available and willing to play first, we make as much sense as anybody else.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 10, 2016 18:12:38 GMT -5
I think it would be more like JBJ+.
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Post by m1keyboots on Dec 11, 2016 4:58:23 GMT -5
It would take more than DD would be willing and doesn't make much sense apart fron Cubs not having to trot out Kyle in left. They'd need an OF, and a ML ready pitcher or the reverse.
If somehow in a PERFECT universe we could get him for Erod I'd be down. The guy would have 50 doubles for us. But Theo and Jed are shrewd and know who the sox have left that they REALLY value. Devers...uhh maybe Dalbec or Travis. That's about jt
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Post by wrangler713 on Dec 11, 2016 10:11:17 GMT -5
I wonder if Cubs fans make posts saying "Dylan Cease and Jeimer Candelario for Mookie Betts. Maybe we'll have to throw in someone else."
Thats basically what you have just done looking at it from a Cubs point of view.
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Post by humanbeingbean on Dec 11, 2016 11:18:21 GMT -5
I wonder if Cubs fans make posts saying "Dylan Cease and Jeimer Candelario for Mookie Betts. Maybe we'll have to throw in someone else." Thats basically what you have just done looking at it from a Cubs point of view. Not really, but sure. How much WAR do you think Schwarber will be able to contribute at his peak with just his bat? You do realize he'll give next to nothing defensively, correct?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 11, 2016 11:46:28 GMT -5
I think the Cubs want to experience the Schwarber experiment in LF first.
I think it will end really badly, worse then Hanley out there to be honest.
Schwarber will inevitably a trade piece, it's just a matter of when and not if with Rizzo at first base and no DH in the NL.
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Post by larrycook on Dec 12, 2016 14:47:12 GMT -5
I think the Cubs want to experience the Schwarber experiment in LF first. I think it will end really badly, worse then Hanley out there to be honest. Schwarber will inevitably a trade piece, it's just a matter of when and not if with Rizzo at first base and no DH in the NL. If maddon can use a pitcher in left field, he can certainly make Schwarber a serviceable left fielder.
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Post by rookie13 on Dec 12, 2016 16:03:24 GMT -5
I think the Cubs want to experience the Schwarber experiment in LF first. I think it will end really badly, worse then Hanley out there to be honest. Schwarber will inevitably a trade piece, it's just a matter of when and not if with Rizzo at first base and no DH in the NL. If maddon can use a pitcher in left field, he can certainly make Schwarber a serviceable left fielder. Even if Schwarber is a terrible defender, it's quite likely that his offense will more than offset it. While the two aren't exactly comparable, he reminds me of Adam Dunn. I think Schwarber will far exceed what Dunn ever did, but Dunn was a horrific fielder who got to keep playing the field because his offense was that good.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 12, 2016 20:02:13 GMT -5
I think some of you guys are a little high on Schwarber. He has yet to do much in majors. He certainly doesn't look like the next Betts. So I'm confused by the ERod doesn't even get the convo started and it would take Bradley plus. With his D he'd have to turn into the next Ortiz for him to even get close to Bradley's 5 plus wars.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 12, 2016 20:27:25 GMT -5
If maddon can use a pitcher in left field, he can certainly make Schwarber a serviceable left fielder. Even if Schwarber is a terrible defender, it's quite likely that his offense will more than offset it. While the two aren't exactly comparable, he reminds me of Adam Dunn. I think Schwarber will far exceed what Dunn ever did, but Dunn was a horrific fielder who got to keep playing the field because his offense was that good. If you think Schwarber is a slightly better Dunn, how do you think ERod and Dalbec doesn't even get convo started? I think that Comp is a good one, but not the will far exceed part. Dunn hit over .300 in minors, bu t could never do it in majors. Dunn had a bwar of 16.9 for his career, and just under -30 dwars. His D killed his value and his high strikeouts kept him from being a better hitter.
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Post by rookie13 on Dec 12, 2016 22:03:04 GMT -5
Even if Schwarber is a terrible defender, it's quite likely that his offense will more than offset it. While the two aren't exactly comparable, he reminds me of Adam Dunn. I think Schwarber will far exceed what Dunn ever did, but Dunn was a horrific fielder who got to keep playing the field because his offense was that good. If you think Schwarber is a slightly better Dunn, how do you think ERod and Dalbec doesn't even get convo started? I think that Comp is a good one, but not the will far exceed part. Dunn hit over .300 in minors, bu t could never do it in majors. Dunn had a bwar of 16.9 for his career, and just under -30 dwars. His D killed his value and his high strikeouts kept him from being a better hitter. The more I think about it, the more that starting point seems reasonable. And I think your previous comment about him being overvalued isn't too far off. I made the Adam Dunn comparison mostly because of their size and the position that Schwarber will play. But I think Schwarber has a much better hit tool and has at least the potential to be a competent defender. Side note: while reading Dunn's stats I noticed that in 2009 with the nationals he hit 38 home runs and had a 142 WRC+, but was only worth 1.1 fWar. He had -23 DRS at 1B and -22 in the OF, for a grand total of -45 DRS for the season. Just wanted to point that out, lol.
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Post by redsox1534 on Jan 24, 2017 19:24:12 GMT -5
I been beating this drum for 2 years. I love schwarber. Dude is the bat we need. A top young middle of order bat.
But this ain't happening with the trade you proposed or probably any trade any one does but id say our best shot is trading bradly for him straight up. They need a top of order bat and cf. They got almost no room for all there bats. Some ones gotta go soon it's just common sense. I think bradly is some one they would listen about. Beni they also to I bet. May even prefer him. Pomernaz, e-rod, swihart all would interest them also but in bigger multilayer deals.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jun 5, 2017 23:15:05 GMT -5
How bout David Price for Schwarber. Arrieta and Lackey are free-agents at the end of the year. Theo would probably have to give up even more than what's left on Price's contract to get Yu Darvish. Might give us a big-bat whom is really struggling at the moment. Gives us a lot of payroll flexibility too.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 6, 2017 0:17:46 GMT -5
How bout David Price for Schwarber. Arrieta and Lackey are free-agents at the end of the year. Theo would probably have to give up even more than what's left on Price's contract to get Yu Darvish. Might give us a big-bat whom is really struggling at the moment. Gives us a lot of payroll flexibility too. I don't know why the Cubs would do that. They could probably trade for Greinke and just take the money with no return going back. That and Greinke didn't have recent arm issues recently, like Price did.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 6, 2017 3:54:38 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but how exactly is he going to help us? It's becoming quite clear he's a DH type guy only and his bat looks horrible.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 6, 2017 7:54:30 GMT -5
I wouldn't make that trade if I were either team.
The Cubs have a young LH bat who's a big part of that club. They don't want to be stuck with David Price's contract as he ages.
Meanwhile the Red Sox would have to shove him into DH where they have $22 million/year tied up in Hanley who everybody forgets was mediocre going into July and then exploded for the rest of the season. If Hanley is healthy (and that's a big IF) I'd expect him to do likewise this season.
And the Sox, who are losing starters at a ridiculous clip, need Price a heckuva lot more than they'd need Schwarber. The step down from Price to Velazquez is a lot bigger than the supposed step up from Hanley to Schwarber.
Both Theo and Dombrowski would say no thank you.
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Post by mattpicard on Jun 6, 2017 8:55:03 GMT -5
How bout David Price for Schwarber. Arrieta and Lackey are free-agents at the end of the year. Theo would probably have to give up even more than what's left on Price's contract to get Yu Darvish. Might give us a big-bat whom is really struggling at the moment. Gives us a lot of payroll flexibility too. Schwarber isn't a proven big-bat -- he's a guy who had success in his first experience with the bigs, but K's 30% of the time and is probably a sub-replacement level player against lefties. I'm not trying to move a potentially very good/borderline ace pitcher for someone I'm not confident can outproduce Hanley. And I'd have no interest in playing him in LF.
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Post by soxjim on Jun 11, 2017 10:54:33 GMT -5
No thanks to trade ERod for a one-dimensional player.
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Post by nomar on Jun 22, 2017 12:57:17 GMT -5
Being sent down to AAA. May be a buy slightly low situation, but I'm not sure we have enough assets at the minor league level to get it done without involving Devers or Groome.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 22, 2017 13:08:12 GMT -5
There's just no way in hell that we're trading for a DH who is currently way worse than Hanley during the season. That would require dumping Hanley.
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 22, 2017 13:13:13 GMT -5
Trading Groome or Devers for Schwarber would be insane. I don't know that I'd want him at all, and if the Cubs were actually willing to sell on him I'd want him even less.
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Post by Smittyw on Jun 22, 2017 14:20:14 GMT -5
A fair amount of threads on the front page of this subforum seem to involve people wanting to trade for a DH...are Hanley and his contract going somewhere that I don't know about?
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