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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 27, 2017 15:36:35 GMT -5
Will be unveiled tomorrow. They've released that Benintendi, Moncada, and Gleyber Torres will be the top 3 in some order.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Jan 27, 2017 18:37:40 GMT -5
Will be unveiled tomorrow. They've released that Benintendi, Moncada, and Gleyber Torres will be the top 3 in some order. What a tease!
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Post by telson13 on Jan 27, 2017 23:00:02 GMT -5
Will be unveiled tomorrow. They've released that Benintendi, Moncada, and Gleyber Torres will be the top 3 in some order. Torres looks like a beast. His AFL performance was insane, and he has a cannon arm. What a steal.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 28, 2017 16:54:38 GMT -5
It's crazy to think that 2 of the top 3 prospects in the game were traded in a six-month span, by this list at least.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jan 28, 2017 19:22:46 GMT -5
It's crazy to think that 2 of the top 3 prospects in the game were traded in a six-month span, by this list at least. I am not known to be much of a prospect hoarder, but how cool would it have been to see 2 Sox players in the top 3 still playing for the organization. I wish Henry Owens, or the myriad of starting pitcher tranasactions this team has tried would have worked out, so as to keep Moncada. I know, DD may traded anyway, but still, I would loved to see that.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 29, 2017 4:02:47 GMT -5
It's crazy to think that 2 of the top 3 prospects in the game were traded in a six-month span, by this list at least. I am not known to be much of a prospect hoarder, but how cool would it have been to see 2 Sox players in the top 3 still playing for the organization. I wish Henry Owens, or the myriad of starting pitcher tranasactions this team has tried would have worked out, so as to keep Moncada. I know, DD may traded anyway, but still, I would loved to see that. Or 1,2 m.mlb.com/prospects/2017/?list=prospects1. Benny Baseball 2. [Moncada] 16.[Kopech] 17. Devers 23. [Margot] 25. [Espinoza] 41. Groome
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 29, 2017 4:09:17 GMT -5
Bigger spread Kopeck to Groome than with KLaw. Worth noting that the only lefty ahead of Groome is Hader at 38. There are 8 righties ranked higher.
Moncada is ranked significantly higher than KLaw but I think most of us expected that.
It will be interesting to see where BA has these guys.
The top is shortstop heavy but, there are 11 outfielders in the top 30 plus 2 guys whose secondary position is outfielder. Only 6 pitchers (and only 2 in the top 10) !
The top 5 are position players. OF,2B,SS,SS,SS.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 29, 2017 8:56:32 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 29, 2017 9:00:40 GMT -5
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Jan 29, 2017 13:21:45 GMT -5
Is there any site that tracks which team developed the most MLB players? I'm curious about that. And would a player like Margot be considered a Sox prospect or Padre? I'd think whatever system you spent the most time in should be credited. At this point I would think the Red Sox have to be at the top of the list or close to it regarding player development. Consider until the last 5 years or so we were consistently picking in the middle to the end of the first round. I know that last point is not a perfect one because in baseball often players were drafted not merely on talent and/or need but draft-ability too, but the point still holds some water. Drafting talent is one thing but player development is perhaps even more important. How much is player development simply the desire of the player verse the coaching etc of the team?
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Post by jrffam05 on Jan 30, 2017 15:44:35 GMT -5
I am not known to be much of a prospect hoarder, but how cool would it have been to see 2 Sox players in the top 3 still playing for the organization. I wish Henry Owens, or the myriad of starting pitcher tranasactions this team has tried would have worked out, so as to keep Moncada. I know, DD may traded anyway, but still, I would loved to see that. Or 1,2 m.mlb.com/prospects/2017/?list=prospects1. Benny Baseball 2. [Moncada] 16.[Kopech] 17. Devers 23. [Margot] 25. [Espinoza] 41. Groome It doesn't really mean anything, but if those prospects were not traded this would have to be one of the highest rated farm systems off all time. and that's coming from a system that graduated Bogaerts, Betts, E-Rod, Bradley, Swihart, and Vazquez in the last three years.
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Post by dd on Jan 30, 2017 16:53:28 GMT -5
Is there any site that tracks which team developed the most MLB players? I'm curious about that. And would a player like Margot be considered a Sox prospect or Padre? I'd think whatever system you spent the most time in should be credited. At this point I would think the Red Sox have to be at the top of the list or close to it regarding player development. Consider until the last 5 years or so we were consistently picking in the middle to the end of the first round. I know that last point is not a perfect one because in baseball often players were drafted not merely on talent and/or need but draft-ability too, but the point still holds some water. Drafting talent is one thing but player development is perhaps even more important. How much is player development simply the desire of the player verse the coaching etc of the team? I often find myself hoping guys who are traded away don't make it. With this group though, if several of them become solid or all-star MLBers, is it reasonable to expect Sox prospects overall to be valued more highly in future trade negotiations?
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Post by borisman on Jan 30, 2017 17:05:58 GMT -5
6 of the top 25 are/were Sox prospects. That's almost amazing! 24%! And Groome sneaks in at 41 but he's still too green to make a better case for him at any spot. He'll be in the top 20 next year, I think.
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Post by alnipper on Jan 31, 2017 11:22:17 GMT -5
Think if we had drafted Meadows instead of Ball like most of us had wanted.
I can see Groome moving up fast in our system if he works hard.
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Post by James Dunne on Jan 31, 2017 11:28:42 GMT -5
Think if we had drafted Meadows instead of Ball like most of us had wanted. Think if they had drafted Fulmer instead of Benintendi like most had wanted. Win some, lose some.
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Post by nomar on Jan 31, 2017 11:42:09 GMT -5
Think if we had drafted Meadows instead of Ball like most of us had wanted. Think if they had drafted Fulmer instead of Benintendi like most had wanted. Win some, lose some. Fulmer and Benintendi were much more evenly split, but agreed with your premise. People wanted Frazier than anyone else. Some Moran and Meadows supporters too. Once Frazier got snagged by Cleveland, a lot of people were already disappointed. So even though Meadows would have been nice, hindsight is 20/20 and nobody was freaking out about Ball at the time. Can't hit the nail on the head every draft, even with a top 10 pick.
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Post by telluricrook on Jan 31, 2017 12:05:09 GMT -5
Why do you think Benintendi Jumped ahead of Swanson?
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Post by nomar on Jan 31, 2017 15:23:02 GMT -5
Why do you think Benintendi Jumped ahead of Swanson? Because he's a much better hitter. Swanson is going to have to make huge improvement in his K% to catch up to Benintendi's hit tool and lacks even Benintendi's level of power.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 20, 2017 14:08:37 GMT -5
MLB.com's Red Sox Top 30: m.mlb.com/prospects/2017?list=bos1. Benintendi 2. Devers 3. Groome 4. Travis 5. Dalbec 6. Raudes 7. Chatham 8. Lakins 9. Ockimey 10. Longhi 11. Chavis 12. Johnson 13. Shawaryn 14. Cosart 15. Shepherd 16. Cedrola 17. Bautista 18. Anderson 19. Taylor 20. Martin 21. Ysla 22. Washington 23. Tobias 24. Nogosek 25. Stankeiwicz 26. D. Hernandez 27. Diaz 28. Beeks 29. Ball 30. Scott
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 20, 2017 14:11:35 GMT -5
Additional info here: m.mlb.com/news/article/216472810/red-sox-2017-preseason-top-30-prospects-list/?topicid=151437456Best tools Players are graded on a 20-80 scouting scale for future tools -- 20-30 is well below average, 40 is below average, 50 is average, 60 is above average and 70-80 is well above average. Hit: Andrew Benintendi (65) Power: Rafael Devers (60) Run: Lorenzo Cedrola (60) Arm: Bobby Dalbec (60) Defense: Andrew Benintendi (60) Fastball: Jake Cosart (70) Curveball: Jason Groome (65) Slider: Stephen Nogosek (55) Changeup: Kyle Martin (60) Control: Roniel Raudes (55)
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Post by soxfanatic on Feb 20, 2017 14:18:17 GMT -5
Cedrola at 16 is definitely surprising.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 20, 2017 15:01:35 GMT -5
Cedrola at 16 is definitely surprising. The writeup was interesting. 4 tools, gap power CF.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 20, 2017 21:21:55 GMT -5
This is projecting way off into the future with many obstacles in the way, but if Xander walks after the 2019 season and JBJ walks after the 2020 season, CJ Chatham and Lorenzo Cedrola's time frames might mesh with their potential departures. If Bogaerts has trouble staying at SS by 2019 and JBJ is pushing 30 with the majority of his value in his defense by 2020, it's hard to see the Red Sox investing big money on those two players. Maybe those two players if they can develop (and not be traded by Dombrowski) could be the guys who are in line to replace Xander and JBJ?
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Post by Oregon Norm on Feb 20, 2017 23:32:21 GMT -5
As you said, these are distant projections. Chatham is 22, hasn't cleared Lowell yet, and his college career wasn't all that spectacular. Lots of potential, but that's all it is. The odds that this is the guy who'll step in for Bogaerts are a bit long at this point.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 20, 2017 23:57:45 GMT -5
As you said, these are distant projections. Chatham is 22, hasn't cleared Lowell yet, and his college career wasn't all that spectacular. Lots of potential, but that's all it is. The odds that this is the guy who'll step in for Bogaerts are a bit long at this point. The odds are indeed long for both Chatham and Cedrola. I just think, given what's currently left in the organization, those two players respectively are the best bets they have, even if the odds are greatly against them, to be players that would line up to be most likely to step in should both Bogaerts and Bradley depart via free agency. Chatham plus Cedrola < Bogaerts plus Bradley of course. Neither have their pedigrees, but both have a chance at least to be viable major league regulars. It's hardly a slam dunk chance, but it's currently their best chance. That of course is subject to change, and that's why I'm qualifying the heck out of what I'm trying to say. I'm just pointing out that if the Sox are looking for answers in their system down the road, those two players might provide answers at positions of need down the road.
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