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World Baseball Classic 2017
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 9, 2017 10:50:06 GMT -5
Rosters were announced yesterday. Sox on rosters:
LHP Fernando Abad, DR (DPP) IF Xander Bogaerts, Netherlands (Will prob play 3B) LHP Daniel McGrath, Australia (DPP) OF Mike Meyers, Israel LHP Ryan Oduber, Netherlands (DPP) 1B Hanley Ramirez, DR LHP Eduardo Rodriguez, Venezuela (DPP)
The four pitchers are in the "designated pitcher pool" and aren't active for the first round. They may be added before either of the subsequent rounds, however. Bogaerts and Meyers will head to Seoul for their first round pool play from March 7-10. Hanley takes a short jaunt down to Miami for March 9-13. Teams advancing from Pool A head to Tokyo from March 12-16 (Netherlands should do so, Israel likely won't). Teams from Pool C advance to San Diego, March 14-19. Final is in LA March 20-22.
Also, former Sox on rosters, for shiggles:
Australia: Mitch Dening, Justin Erasmus, Ryan Rowland-Smith, Stefan Welch Canada: Ryan Dempster, Eric Gagne, George Kottaras China: Ray Chang, Bruce Chen Colombia: Randy Consuegra, William Cuevas, Dayan Diaz, Reynaldo Rodriguez DR: Adrian Beltre, Bartolo Colon, Carlos Martinez Israel: Craig Breslow, Cody Decker, Nate Freiman, Ryan Lavarnway Italy: Tommy Layne Mexico: Jorge De La Rosa, Adrian Gonzalez, Miguel Gonzalez, Luis Mendoza, Puerto Rico: Mike AViles, Jose De la Torre, Reymond Fuentes, Joel Pineiro, JC Romero Taiwan: Chih-Hsien Chiang, Che-Hsuan Lin USA: Andrew Miller, Alex Wilson Venezuela: Jose Alvarez
Also brothers of old friends in Gavin Cecchini (Italy) and Lars Huijer (Netherlands)
Nobody on Cuba, Japan, Korea rosters with Red Sox ties.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 9, 2017 11:08:26 GMT -5
There's no way the Sox could prevent Eduardo Rodriguez from playing? I thought the knee injury gave the Sox a excuse to hold him back?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 9, 2017 11:10:41 GMT -5
Also, I though Pablo was playing in the WBC? I guess I thought wrong.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 9, 2017 11:13:17 GMT -5
Here's to hoping Venezuela gets knocked out in the first round of the WBC.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 9, 2017 23:40:20 GMT -5
Also, former Sox on rosters, for shiggles: Australia: Mitch Dening, Justin Erasmus, Ryan Rowland-Smith, Stefan Welch Canada: Ryan Dempster, Eric Gagne, George Kottaras China: Ray Chang, Bruce Chen Colombia: Randy Consuegra, William Cuevas, Dayan Diaz, Reynaldo Rodriguez DR: Adrian Beltre, Bartolo Colon, Carlos Martinez Israel: Craig Breslow, Cody Decker, Nate Freiman, Ryan Lavarnway Italy: Tommy Layne Mexico: Jorge De La Rosa, Adrian Gonzalez, Miguel Gonzalez, Luis Mendoza, Puerto Rico: Mike AViles, Jose De la Torre, Reymond Fuentes, Joel Pineiro, JC Romero Taiwan: Chih-Hsien Chiang, Che-Hsuan Lin USA: Andrew Miller, Alex Wilson Venezuela: Jose Alvarez Also brothers of old friends in Gavin Cecchini (Italy) and Lars Huijer (Netherlands) Nobody on Cuba, Japan, Korea rosters with Red Sox ties. Wow. At first I thought he must be a coach or something (and maybe he is) but goddamn if Eric Gagne didn't pitch for the Ottowa Champions of the Can-Am league last year...
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 10, 2017 12:33:00 GMT -5
Pool A: Seoul Israel, Korea, Chinese Taipei, Netherlands
Netherlands and one of the Asian teams should advance
Pool B: Tokyo cuba, Japan, China, Australia
Should be Cuba and Japan
Pool C: Miami Dominican Republic, USA, Colombia, Canada
Should be DR and USA
Pool D: Jalisco Mexico, Italy, Venezuela, Puerto Rico
If there's a group of death, it's probably this one. VZ and PR are the favorites, with Mexico an outside shot.
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Second Round
Pool E: Tokyo Netherlands, Cuba, Japan, Korea/Chinese Taipei
I'd bet Netherlands and Japan. Cuba is so down these days because of all the defections, they could certianly go down here. Someday, hopefully, we'll get the "real" Cuban team with all the defectors and they will be a force. But Japan might not be as strong as typical either.
Pool F: San Diego USA, DR, VZ, PR/Mexico
Tough that only two of these teams come out of here. I'd bet on the two that come out of here to meet in the finals. PR just doesn't have the pitching to keep up, nor does Mexico have the hitting. I could see this being where the US goes down, honestly.
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Championship: LA
I'll pick whichever two teams coming out of Pool F to meet in the finals as well. DR over the USA in the Championship.
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Post by James Dunne on Feb 10, 2017 12:50:06 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 10, 2017 13:23:06 GMT -5
Yeah I just can't see anyone but the Dominican Republic winning. The Netherlands team is really interesting though. USA has its strongest pitching group it's ever had, so at least they have a legitimate shot this time.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 11, 2017 8:34:22 GMT -5
If they wanted the WBC to really mean something, they would take 3 weeks off from the MLB season and play it in July. Forgo the All-Star game that year and shorten the season a little bit. Everyone would be in top form and everyone would watch.
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Post by thursty on Feb 11, 2017 12:06:10 GMT -5
How is Carlos Martinez a former Red Sox?
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Post by Coreno on Feb 11, 2017 13:07:03 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 11, 2017 14:54:23 GMT -5
If they wanted the WBC to really mean something, they would take 3 weeks off from the MLB season and play it in July. Forgo the All-Star game that year and shorten the season a little bit. Everyone would be in top form and everyone would watch. I would hate that even more because everyone not involved with the WBC would have 3 weeks off and potentially risk injury after so many days off and starting again. There's really no good way of doing this.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 11, 2017 15:05:03 GMT -5
If they wanted the WBC to really mean something, they would take 3 weeks off from the MLB season and play it in July. Forgo the All-Star game that year and shorten the season a little bit. Everyone would be in top form and everyone would watch. I would hate that even more because everyone not involved with the WBC would have 3 weeks off and potentially risk injury after so many days off and starting again. There's really no good way of doing this. How would you risk injury taking 3 weeks off?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 11, 2017 15:56:08 GMT -5
That's a pile of crap. They should have honored deal and then suspended him for a year.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 11, 2017 16:47:18 GMT -5
If they wanted the WBC to really mean something, they would take 3 weeks off from the MLB season and play it in July. Forgo the All-Star game that year and shorten the season a little bit. Everyone would be in top form and everyone would watch. You don't even need three weeks. Do the early rounds in the spring, do a one-week finals round in place of the ASG.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 12, 2017 5:11:26 GMT -5
I would hate that even more because everyone not involved with the WBC would have 3 weeks off and potentially risk injury after so many days off and starting again. There's really no good way of doing this. How would you risk injury taking 3 weeks off? Stopping and starting up and ramping up to full speed again. This is especially risky for pitchers.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 12, 2017 9:33:42 GMT -5
How would you risk injury taking 3 weeks off? Stopping and starting up and ramping up to full speed again. This is especially risky for pitchers. They don't need to go sit on a couch and do nothing. They can easily stay in tune while also giving much needed rest. If anything, it's likely to prevent injury. How often do people talk about the phantom DL trip? Speaking of DL... when a guy comes off a 15 day DL he's not more susceptible to new injury. There's no way a 3 week break would be more likely to cause injury.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 12, 2017 12:33:49 GMT -5
Stopping and starting up and ramping up to full speed again. This is especially risky for pitchers. They don't need to go sit on a couch and do nothing. They can easily stay in tune while also giving much needed rest. If anything, it's likely to prevent injury. How often do people talk about the phantom DL trip? Speaking of DL... when a guy comes off a 15 day DL he's not more susceptible to new injury. There's no way a 3 week break would be more likely to cause injury. There's no way of telling for us. We aren't pitchers but they are creatures of habbit. The 15 day DL is now the 10 day DL.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 12, 2017 15:21:33 GMT -5
That's a pile of crap. They should have honored deal and then suspended him for a year. This is what happened with every IFA who signed under a fake identity. There was nothing to keep him from re-signing with the Red Sox except for Shipley's incompetence. While the Red Sox did very little wrong from an amateur/player dev standpoint in the early Epstein regime, the international program under Shipley might be the one place they failed miserably. This is an example of that. If something like this were to happen under Romero, you bet your ass he'd be maintaining and strengthening the relationship with Martinez and his family during the year suspension and signing him for whatever it took when he was again eligible (excepting the new IFA rules and their limitations, of course).
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 6, 2017 19:26:48 GMT -5
Mike Meyers scored the winning run in Israel's 10-inning upset of Korea this morning. So there's that.
Came in to run after a Ryan Lavarnway single moved Ike Davis to second.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Mar 6, 2017 20:29:01 GMT -5
One of the features of the WBC is to hear the names. Players who've migrated to the margins of the game get a few days in the sun.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 7, 2017 11:10:33 GMT -5
Bogaerts 1 for 4 with a triple in the Netherlands opener, a 5-0 win over Korea. Kind of hilarious to see "Gregorius, DH" in the box score.
Last night, Meyers pinch hit and walked, scoring a run, as Israel knocked off Taipei. That game featured Ryan Lavarnway, Nate Freiman, Cody Decker, Che-Hsuan Lin, and Chih-Hsien Chiang. With the win, Israel ticket to the second round is nearly punched. I guess if they lose to Netherlands (likely), Netherlands loses to Taipei (most unlikely of the three, but could happen), and Taipei loses to Korea (could happen), there would be 3 teams at 2-1 in that pool. First tiebreaker is runs allowed per inning on defense, and giving up 7 to Taipei won't help Israel there.
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Post by Coreno on Mar 7, 2017 18:10:54 GMT -5
First tiebreaker is runs allowed per inning on defense, and giving up 7 to Taipei won't help Israel there. Sure, but its better than the 15 runs Taipei gave up to them. None of this matters if NED takes care of business with TPE tomorrow morning like they should, in which case NED v. ISR is essentially an exhibition tomorrow night. What an embarrassment by Korea though, scoring 1 run through 2 games, as the host country. Toast. BTW, Lavarnway and Freiman both hit HRs in that game last night, as well.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 7, 2017 20:35:49 GMT -5
The return of Ryan Lavarnway in full force this classic. Lol.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 7, 2017 20:36:31 GMT -5
First tiebreaker is runs allowed per inning on defense, and giving up 7 to Taipei won't help Israel there. Sure, but its better than the 15 runs Taipei gave up to them. None of this matters if NED takes care of business with TPE tomorrow morning like they should, in which case NED v. ISR is essentially an exhibition tomorrow night. What an embarrassment by Korea though, scoring 1 run through 2 games, as the host country. Toast. BTW, Lavarnway and Freiman both hit HRs in that game last night, as well. Fair point.
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